I would like to know, simply, if there is any drug that gives similar levels of mental activation, perhaps without increased heart rate. I know the separation between Adderall and nootropics; I am asking if there's anything that gives similar activation.
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Posted 06 April 2004 - 11:16 AM
I would like to know, simply, if there is any drug that gives similar levels of mental activation, perhaps without increased heart rate. I know the separation between Adderall and nootropics; I am asking if there's anything that gives similar activation.
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Posted 06 April 2004 - 03:40 PM
I emphasize transient as a theme here, because with amphetamines you take them and an hour later BAM! you feel the pleasant effects without a doubt, there is no question in your mind as to whether they are working or not. With smart drugs there is no slap in the face onset of action, I've never sat there studying thinking "Oh man, this Piracetam is really, really working." I think nootropics are fairly "soft drugs", in that they sometimes work, but the effects are not immediately strong enough to notice a difference. In other words, you can't just take Piracetam and sit around and watch TV and expect to feel mentally stimulated or motivated. Whereas with "hard drugs" such as amphetamines, if you pop 30 mg and sit around for a while, all of a sudden a while later your up and cleaning or doing whatever. There is a drastic shift in your state of consciousness with amphetamines, but with smart drugs, the effects are not drastic nor immediate.
Anyway, I don't believe there is any smart drug/nootropic which mimics the effects of amphetamines. I wish their were a drug like amphetamine that was similar in safety profile to nootropics, but unfourtunately there has been no such development in pharmacology to my knowledge.
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Posted 06 April 2004 - 04:19 PM
80 capsules costs roughly $75 at GNC. It is completely worth it. i would be very interested to learn about others who also try this substance. I'm going to do some research and post more about it in the supplements forum.
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Posted 07 April 2004 - 11:02 AM
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Posted 07 April 2004 - 09:45 PM
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Posted 07 April 2004 - 11:00 PM
edit: Also a noteworthy thing to mention, Piracetam is not a bad drug at all but it's problem is that a tolerance for it is built in the body over time. I know the Pramiracetam analogue and nefircetam don't do that, therefore they don't cause withdrawal symptoms and lessened potency over time, although they are both unavailable through commercial venues for one reason or another. Aniracetam seems to be a more potent version of Piracetam, like the two aforemention cetams, however this one is commercially available. What I do not know about Aniracetam is whether one builds a tolerance to it, Aniracetam is not available in cheaper powder form yet but it is available in pill form from many sites I'm waiting for testimonials to see if a tolerance is built or not from taking this supplement, if the body doesn't build a tolerance to it you could theoretically rachet up the dosage and it would remain consistantly potent as long as you take it.
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Posted 08 April 2004 - 01:29 AM
I would like to know, simply, if there is any drug that gives similar levels of mental activation, perhaps without increased heart rate. I know the separation between Adderall and nootropics; I am asking if there's anything that gives similar activation.
Maybe amphetamine + beta blockers. I'm not familiar with any drugs that are exclusively potent central CNS stimulants without the peripheral effects, and I doubt they are out there, unfortunately.
Edit: One thing I forgot to mention, is deprenyl + D,L-phenylalanine is similar to amphetamine but without the development of tolerance according to a few studies. Still causes blood pressure increase etc. though.
Edited by shpongled, 08 April 2004 - 01:49 AM.
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Posted 08 April 2004 - 01:46 AM
dfowler: I dislike amphetamines because of the rapid heart beat and frankly can't stand trying to read with that over excited feeling, I feel like a rabid dog! I want psychoparmacologists to come up with a smart drug that REALLY works not some Piracatem type of drug. I'm not sure if Nootropics do anything other than mild increase in concentration levels.
It depends on what you want in a "smart drug." For me a nootropic is something that increases memory, learning capacity, maybe concentration. This doesn't mean it's going to be overtly psychoactive. It's not that they don't work. It's just that people expect it to be something that it isn't. In fact part of the definition of "nootropic" includes not having sedative, stimulant, etc. effects.
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Posted 08 April 2004 - 02:18 AM
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