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#31 against_all_odds

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 09:15 PM

Saw Palmetto can be a dangerous supplement to take for sexual or libido problems. Some people develop persistent sexual and libido problems from S.P., which is a kind of "finasteride lite", just like they do from finasteride.

I now the idea is to counteract the increase in DHT from the other supplements, but people seem to have a wide range of responses to S.P. Trying to guess what yours will be is pretty much a crap shoot, and by the time you have figured it out, the damage may already be done.


why are you worried about increasing DHT? DHT is the main driver of sexual drive and libido and sexual function.

Craps like finasteride and minoxidil and saw palmetto work by blocking DHT so that you don't lose hair,
but screwing up your orgasmic pleasure. do you know that?

I actually want something that boosts my DHT, I'm in search of such a drug. got tested for DHT levels
but still don't know the results.


How exactly do you know that saw palmetto blocks DHT?

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 11:26 PM

Saw Palmetto can be a dangerous supplement to take for sexual or libido problems. Some people develop persistent sexual and libido problems from S.P., which is a kind of "finasteride lite", just like they do from finasteride.

I now the idea is to counteract the increase in DHT from the other supplements, but people seem to have a wide range of responses to S.P. Trying to guess what yours will be is pretty much a crap shoot, and by the time you have figured it out, the damage may already be done.


why are you worried about increasing DHT? DHT is the main driver of sexual drive and libido and sexual function.

Craps like finasteride and minoxidil and saw palmetto work by blocking DHT so that you don't lose hair,
but screwing up your orgasmic pleasure. do you know that?

I actually want something that boosts my DHT, I'm in search of such a drug. got tested for DHT levels
but still don't know the results.


How exactly do you know that saw palmetto blocks DHT?


well, I've used this crap for quite a while, not just SP, but also finas and minoxidil.
Both drugs work by reducing by blocking DHT, which is how they prevent hair loss.

Some gym supplements I took, had this crap in them, as a way to increase T whereas reducing DHT
(which causes hair loss) and for me it was an infallible recipe to become totally incapable of having
decent orgasms (not only does this crap delay ejaculation, the orgasms will be dull as can be).

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 12:27 PM

I've been using Ecklonia Cava Extract (ECE) for a few months and have noticed a huge improvement in sexual performance, which was not it's main intended purpose. I use it to help reduce allergies and to prevent the cold/flu. I heard of this amzing supplement from Dukenukem in this thread http://www.imminst.o...&...st&p=219239 If you read through the literature posted in that thread, you'll see one the many benefits is that it helps with ED.

Erectile Dysfunction:

Scientists studied 31 men with erectile dysfunction (ED) for over six months. They compared eight weeks of ECE use to Viagra®. Overall, ECE performed better than Viagra as indicated by the following chart:

ECE Scores: Viagra® Scores:

Orgasmic Function 87% Orgasmic Function 27%
Intercourse Satisfaction 74% Intercourse Satisfaction 44%
Overall Satisfaction 62% Overall Satisfaction 39%
Erectile Function 66% Erectile Function 66%


I never had any issues with sexual function because i exercise regulary and have always been healthy but this stuff can really make you a marathon man in bed. Give it a try and if it doesn't work for you at least it may prevent you from getting a cold.


Wow! Definitely gonna try this, after reading up on all the benefits. Awesome thread guys! Also wanna try some Cabergoline next time I get invited to an orgy - lol! Seriously, though, multiple ejaculations with no break needed sounds awesome though you better really like the woman you're being "superman" with because you may not be able to get away from her after your "super-performance"!!!

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 12:37 AM

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Wow! Definitely gonna try this, after reading up on all the benefits. Awesome thread guys! Also wanna try some Cabergoline next time I get invited to an orgy - lol! Seriously, though, multiple ejaculations with no break needed sounds awesome though you better really like the woman you're being "superman" with because you may not be able to get away from her after your "super-performance"!!!


I've had bupropion cause this. It is pretty awesome, but honestly the novelty of being with superman wore off pretty quick and she started complaining about it.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 08:21 PM

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I've had bupropion cause this. It is pretty awesome, but honestly the novelty of being with superman wore off pretty quick and she started complaining about it.


Go figure! Women: damned if you do, damned if you don't!
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#36 nito

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 08:27 PM

bestsexual enhancement for the highest libido is to get through your're teens with no sex, but only masturbation. Once you enteryou're 20's you're basicallya walking viagra. At least in my case lol.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 12:50 AM

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Wow! Definitely gonna try this, after reading up on all the benefits. Awesome thread guys! Also wanna try some Cabergoline next time I get invited to an orgy - lol! Seriously, though, multiple ejaculations with no break needed sounds awesome though you better really like the woman you're being "superman" with because you may not be able to get away from her after your "super-performance"!!!


I've had bupropion cause this. It is pretty awesome, but honestly the novelty of being with superman wore off pretty quick and she started complaining about it.


How much bupropion were you taking it and do you still take it?

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:51 AM

you'll feel enhancements at 150mg (lowest dose).
if not, then 300mg for sure

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:47 AM

Bupropion enhanced my libido for one day then it was gone. What does this mean? Why did it only improve my libido for one day? I took it for 30 days and on the 3 day I felt the libido enhancing properties of it, but after that day it was gone. Would it have come back if I had taken bupropion for longer than 30 days?

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:02 AM

That seems VERY strange to me that the libido-enhancing properties only lasted one day. Explain how you felt that day

#41 chroncile

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 07:19 AM

I was just playing a game and I had a weird sensation in my genital area so I decided to test whether the libido enhancing properties were taking place so I looked at porn and immediately became aroused and it felt really good. Normally when I look at porn I just get an erection and nothing else. I don't get motivated to masturbate or anything, and it doesn't even feel good, but with bupropion, it felt good and I felt like I needed to start masturbating which has never happened to me before.

I'm a male for the record and I'm only 18 years old, but my sex drive is dead.

#42 smithx

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:44 AM

If you get an erection, you have sex drive, so the implication is that your lack of stated interest is psychological.

It would be worth considering some short term therapy like Cognitive Behavioral.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 10:36 AM

this may be relevant here: http://yourbrainonporn.com/

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:44 PM

If you get an erection, you have sex drive, so the implication is that your lack of stated interest is psychological.

It would be worth considering some short term therapy like Cognitive Behavioral.


I don't think so. My erection when I'm aroused versus the one I get not aroused are completely different. When I'm aroused, my erection comes faster, easier, stronger and stays for much longer whereas 'normal' erections for me are weaker, are delayed and revert back to the flaccid state quickly. Also, I should mention that my 'normal' erections from looking at erotic material or thinking sexual thoughts is no different than erections involving physical sensations like touching myself or having it rub against my clothes.

this may be relevant here: http://yourbrainonporn.com/


Yeah, I don't think this applies to me since I rarely watch porn.

Also, I don't feel any attraction towards the opposite gender when I'm outside, but I'm not asexual. I know that because my libido was fine when I was 15 years old and girls were appealing to me, but now nothing turns me on.

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 05:41 AM

I'm very interested. Is this a prescription medication? if not, where can I get it, please?

Thanks


No. You can find it online as a nutritional supplement.

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 04:03 PM

Zinc, zinc, zinc. I don't know how it's only been mentioned once in this thread, but if you haven't tried zinc yet you should probably do that before experimenting with lots of herbal supplements that can have nasty side effects.

I started taking zinc about a month ago, and I can definitively say that out of all the supplements I take (multi, mag, d, k2, fish oil, iodine) this is the ONLY one that has made a noticeable difference in my health. Now, the CW is that zinc only helps (via increasing testosterone) if you're deficient, which may be true. But unless you're 100% sure that you aren't zinc deficient, I'd say any male's best bet is to start with zinc and see what that does for you. If it doesn't have an effect, then you can try all the herbal stuff.

I take 30mg a day of NOW's zinc glycinate (it's in pumpkin seed oil I believe)...best choice I've probably ever made supplement-wise.

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 05:40 PM

hbar, I'm already taking a multi which includes zinc. It's the LEF Two-per-day one, but I'm only taking one tablet a day. Do you still recommend I get a separate zinc supplement? Also, why didn't you get NOW's L-OptiZinc instead of zinc glycinate? Which one is better?

How long did it take you to feel a difference and what exactly changed? Also, did your libido improve drastically or just subtlety?

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 04:14 AM

It's hard to say...that LEF two per day multi has 15mg of zinc per pill, so you're getting a lot more from your multi than me (I take one AOR Multi Basics a day, which only has less than 4mg of zinc per pill). Still, you could probably try adding a bit more zinc (maybe another 15-20mg per day) and see if that does anything for you. I don't take OptiZinc because I believe it has copper in it, and I don't really want more copper. I know too much zinc is bad too, but considering nailing a perfect balance between the two is nigh impossible, I'd rather err on having a bit too much zinc than having too much copper. Plus, zinc glycinate is the form that was chosen for Vimmortal (at least partly due to its high bioavailability IIRC), so it's certainly been recognized by the experts here as a good form of the mineral.

In terms of effects, pretty much everything got better. Stronger erections that are easier to maintain, much stronger and more intense orgasms/ejaculation, and noticeably increased volume of ejaculate. It's really been like night and day, and I'm not one to proclaim every supplement I take to be a magic pill. As I said before, none of the other supplements I take have made any difference in how I *feel* (though they may have positive effects on other things, such as my lipid profile), but the effect from zinc has been pronounced and started quite soon after beginning to take it.

You could also do the zinc test first to see if you're deficient, though I can't seem to easily find a good place to buy it from. Thorne apparently sells one but the link you get to their website from Google for the zinc test page comes up as an error. I'd like to do the test myself eventually, but given the effects of zinc I can't imagine how I wasn't deficient (especially since people seem to think if you aren't deficient, taking it won't have much of an effect), and I don't eat high-zinc foods regularly.

Hope some of that helps! Zinc is certainly much safer than toying around with herbal supplements, so that's why I'd say try zinc first (or at least do the test) because if you're deficient it's the best place to start. Not to mention zinc is important for your immune system as well!

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:52 PM

...or you could just take tongkat ali extract and be done with it. In one simple supplement you address libido, increase free T, and it basically turns me into a porn star. I kid. Wait, no I'm not! :excl:

From wiki:

Apart from the testosterone-related effects, the antimalarial,[26] antibacterial,[27] antipyretic, antiulcer, antitumor,[28] and cytotoxic properties are well documented.


p.s. all the "good stuff" is sourced from Pasak Bumi whichever brand you choose (I take the 1:200 extract). You have to be careful because there is a lot of fake or viagra-ridden stuff out there.

Edited by JChief, 24 April 2012 - 02:57 PM.


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:58 PM

What's wrong with just using Cialis for performance, unless lack of libido is a problem? The latter can be helped by supplements that increase testosterone and DHT but doing that is not completely risk- or side-effect free.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 03:17 PM

What's wrong with just using Cialis for performance, unless lack of libido is a problem? The latter can be helped by supplements that increase testosterone and DHT but doing that is not completely risk- or side-effect free.


Most methods of increasing testosterone have well documented unwanted side effects but tongkat ali does not work in the same way as, say, anabolic steroids. But your point is taken. Cialis merely lets you attain an erection it is not the same erection that would be obtained when taking a potent supplement like tongkat ali/eurycoma longifolia. Even if you do not have a libido "issue" it definitely increases arousal in such a way that enhances sex (at least for me). The topic was sexual enhancement. You can feel it mentally as well - almost like a subconcious projected confidence. Testosterone is the best aphrodisiac there is! I mean hell why not give it a try and see if it doesn't make you feel like you've been doing it with one eye open this whole time? :) I dare someone to point out a better sexual enhancement supplement that is better than tongkat ali. You won't I'd be willing to bet.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 05:59 PM

What's wrong with just using Cialis for performance, unless lack of libido is a problem? The latter can be helped by supplements that increase testosterone and DHT but doing that is not completely risk- or side-effect free.


Most methods of increasing testosterone have well documented unwanted side effects but tongkat ali does not work in the same way as, say, anabolic steroids. But your point is taken. Cialis merely lets you attain an erection it is not the same erection that would be obtained when taking a potent supplement like tongkat ali/eurycoma longifolia. Even if you do not have a libido "issue" it definitely increases arousal in such a way that enhances sex (at least for me). The topic was sexual enhancement. You can feel it mentally as well - almost like a subconcious projected confidence. Testosterone is the best aphrodisiac there is! I mean hell why not give it a try and see if it doesn't make you feel like you've been doing it with one eye open this whole time? :) I dare someone to point out a better sexual enhancement supplement that is better than tongkat ali. You won't I'd be willing to bet.


Well if we're talking about increasing testosterone, did you miss my posts about zinc right above yours? :)

Effectiveness isn't the only thing at issue here - safety is a real concern as well. In my mind, herbal supplements are inherently more dangerous because they can contain a large number of substances which can have any number of effects on the body. The net benefit of such a substance is going to be rather hard to deduce, especially considering herbal supplements have been prone to things like poor quality control and contamination with toxic substances.

My point is this: zinc is the most important mineral for the production of testosterone. If you're deficient in zinc, it makes by FAR the most sense to start supplementing there and to see if doing so increases testosterone. Zinc is also a very essential nutrient, so if you're deficient you should be considering correcting that deficiency anyway regardless if it increases testosterone or not. It's also an exceedingly safe supplement unless you're megadosing it and throwing your zinc-copper balance out of whack.

If that doesn't work, of course, or if you aren't deficient in zinc, then certainly you'll need to look somewhere else. I just get the feeling that too many people jump straight into the herbal stuff without considering *why* their testosterone might be low in the first place, and that leads them to make supplement choices that could be putting them at needless risk.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:03 AM

Great points hbar. There is always the unknown factor when it comes to herbs, especially long term. You are correct of course regarding the necessity to ensure baseline nutrients (including zinc) are addressed through diet and supplementation. As far as tongkat ali goes the studies thus far are quite intriguing for reasons extending beyond sheer sexual enhancement. I am assuming a degree of risk I am comfortable with.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:41 AM

if you're not looking to mess with your hormones, I've found horny goat weed helpful. Yohimbe works for me sometimes (I use it as a pre workout as well) but it makes me super anxious and sweaty at times, which neglects any libido boost.

First cover your nutritional foundation, make sure you're getting all the vitamins and minerals you need. Hormones and some illicit substances are the most effective at boosting libido if thats your thing.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:56 AM

Re: Testosterone and life span I came across the thread FWIW

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:56 AM

Yeah Tongkat Ali is awesome but there is a lot of crap sold out there. Fortunately there are a few reputable extract (1-200) brands that you can rely on.

I would love to take Tongkat all the time but it's a very expensive supplement. The one I buy is bout $30 for about 10g. It doesn't last very long. Tongkat will also burn fat and make you look ripped even without exercising. After consistent use, I developed very prominent arm muscles with gaping veins running down my arms. People assume I pump iron yet I do weights maybe every few weeks!

Best way to increase testosterone for me is through diet. I make sure there is plenty of cholestrol, fruits, vegetables and zero wheat/processed sugars/foods. Adding Tongkat on top makes for unreal orgasms. I actually feel completely drained following an orgasm induced from Tongkat. You know you're coming good when your legs are shaking as you reach the finale. Sorry to be graphic, just thought I'd share :-D

Edited by Thorsten2, 25 April 2012 - 11:57 AM.


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:49 PM

if you're not looking to mess with your hormones, I've found horny goat weed helpful.

Horny goat weed messes with your testosterone.
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 06:08 PM

It's hard to say...that LEF two per day multi has 15mg of zinc per pill, so you're getting a lot more from your multi than me (I take one AOR Multi Basics a day, which only has less than 4mg of zinc per pill). Still, you could probably try adding a bit more zinc (maybe another 15-20mg per day) and see if that does anything for you. I don't take OptiZinc because I believe it has copper in it, and I don't really want more copper. I know too much zinc is bad too, but considering nailing a perfect balance between the two is nigh impossible, I'd rather err on having a bit too much zinc than having too much copper. Plus, zinc glycinate is the form that was chosen for Vimmortal (at least partly due to its high bioavailability IIRC), so it's certainly been recognized by the experts here as a good form of the mineral.

In terms of effects, pretty much everything got better. Stronger erections that are easier to maintain, much stronger and more intense orgasms/ejaculation, and noticeably increased volume of ejaculate. It's really been like night and day, and I'm not one to proclaim every supplement I take to be a magic pill. As I said before, none of the other supplements I take have made any difference in how I *feel* (though they may have positive effects on other things, such as my lipid profile), but the effect from zinc has been pronounced and started quite soon after beginning to take it.

You could also do the zinc test first to see if you're deficient, though I can't seem to easily find a good place to buy it from. Thorne apparently sells one but the link you get to their website from Google for the zinc test page comes up as an error. I'd like to do the test myself eventually, but given the effects of zinc I can't imagine how I wasn't deficient (especially since people seem to think if you aren't deficient, taking it won't have much of an effect), and I don't eat high-zinc foods regularly.

Hope some of that helps! Zinc is certainly much safer than toying around with herbal supplements, so that's why I'd say try zinc first (or at least do the test) because if you're deficient it's the best place to start. Not to mention zinc is important for your immune system as well!


I just started taking NOW Foods L-OptiZinc and I was wondering how long it would take for me to notice results. How long did it take you to notice the results from taking the zinc?

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 09:40 PM

I'd say within a week? May have been sooner but on the order of a week is probably pretty accurate.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 02:55 PM

There only seems to be one legit supplier for Tongkat ali(Sumatra Pasak Bumi), all the other companies buy and resell from them, try and get the original if you can, they cost more, but its the real deal. Everyone else seems to use a bit of Tongkat and fill it up with crap then resell. BTW tongkat is all extract based so look for the 50:1 100:1 .
If you can find a local reseller of the original stuff, it may be a bit cheaper.

Maca, is good but not a potent as tongkat ali, maca is more long term use, to give a natural hormon balance. Plus compared to TA its cheaper.

First thing though, if your average age(20-40) you should get a natural rise without taking other stuff, by stop waking off if you do and stop watching porn. Those two things mess with you natural brain chems, just google "no fapping" and yourbrainonporn.
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