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[ceridwen]

I know someone who smoked himself to death last year. He chain smoked reefers. I do not think that it is always good.

[william7]

Juicing seems to be the best route of administration for Cannabis.

 

The Power of Juicing RAW Cannabis - Dr William Courtney

 

LEAF [Health Benefits of Juicing Raw Cannabis]

[Nate-2004]

Cannabis may prevent stroke by preventing clots:

https://www.utdallas...ageCenterColumn

 

Remember to ensure CBD levels are higher in whatever cannabis you ingest and try to avoid smoking cannabis, vaporize or eat it instead. Smoking is bad for you. CBD counteracts any short term memory affects and anxiety effects of THC as well as acting as an anti-psychotic. You can find a CBD:THC 1:1 ratio formulation of oils in Colorado and other legal states. This is your best bet. Compared to drinking, this would amount to a net neutral effect at worst in terms of long term health.

Edited by Nate-2004, 31 August 2017 - 08:57 PM.

[Advocatus Diaboli]

Nate, I see no mention of either stroke or clots in that article in your post 123 (https://www.utdallas...ageCenterColumn). Did you accidentally link to the wrong source?

Edited by Advocatus Diaboli, 31 August 2017 - 11:01 PM.

[Nate-2004]

Nate, I see no mention of either stroke or clots in that article in your post 123 (https://www.utdallas...ageCenterColumn). Did you accidentally link to the wrong source?

 

Other sources are drawing that conclusion from the implication, the original study was on oxygen in the brain which lead to the discovery that blood vessels expand. That much is in the article. There is much about it here and here.

 

However, the exact opposite has been concluded here.

 

So go figure. Does it, or doesn't it? Maybe it's more in between, it can help stroke victims and reduce brain damage immediately after a stroke but not necessarily prevent it.

Edited by Nate-2004, 01 September 2017 - 01:48 AM.

[ironfistx]

I have been buying edibles with 5 to 10mg THC per piece.  I get a decent high but this is only THC.  I have some CBD pills with 10mg each that I use, too.

 

I have a cartilage injury in my left elbow and I have noticed that when I use CBD consistently it starts to bother me again.  I first realized this a long time ago when I was using CBD oil.  But it happens with the pills, too.  A separate poster in this thread said CBD makes them feel awful and they think it's because they have little inflammation to begin with and are lean, and I am the same way.  Moreover, I wonder what is going on with RSO because I think it's like 90mg per day, and 10mg gets me pretty spacey.  Obviously if you believe this site pot heals everything: http://www.weedandhealth.com/

[ironfistx]

I currently live in Portland and I updated my account but it doesn't show that.

[Nate-2004]

Seriously YOLF, what is so "dangerous and irresponsible" about my post?

[Advocatus Diaboli]

"Seriously YOLF, what is so "dangerous and irresponsible" about my post?"

 

@nate, I was wondering the same thing myself. I think it would have been a much better idea for whoever (I have no knowledge that it was YOLF) made that rating to substantiate it with facts in a response to your post.

Edited by Advocatus Diaboli, 02 September 2017 - 01:16 AM.

[Chris Pollyanna]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this study in Nature Medicine from earlier this year:

 

A chronic low dose of Δ⁹-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) restores cognitive function in old mice

The balance between detrimental, pro-aging, often stochastic processes and counteracting homeostatic mechanisms largely determines the progression of aging. There is substantial evidence suggesting that the endocannabinoid system (ECS) is part of the latter system because it modulates the physiological processes underlying aging^1, 2. The activity of the ECS declines during aging, as CB1 receptor expression and coupling to G proteins are reduced in the brain tissues of older animals^3, 4, 5 and the levels of the major endocannabinoid 2-arachidonoylglycerol (2-AG) are lower⁶. However, a direct link between endocannabinoid tone and aging symptoms has not been demonstrated. Here we show that a low dose of Δ⁹-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) reversed the age-related decline in cognitive performance of mice aged 12 and 18 months. This behavioral effect was accompanied by enhanced expression of synaptic marker proteins and increased hippocampal spine density. THC treatment restored hippocampal gene transcription patterns such that the expression profiles of THC-treated mice aged 12 months closely resembled those of THC-free animals aged 2 months. The transcriptional effects of THC were critically dependent on glutamatergic CB1 receptors and histone acetylation, as their inhibition blocked the beneficial effects of THC. Thus, restoration of CB1 signaling in old individuals could be an effective strategy to treat age-related cognitive impairments.

 

Here's the full paper:

 

 THC Cognition 2017.pdf   1.33MB   1 downloads

 

And here are a couple of popular press articles about the study:

 

https://www.forbes.c...g/#54c139d22e44

 

http://www.independe...e-a7724701.html

 

Not suggesting anyone starts smoking weed because of this, but it's quite interesting and certainly made me laugh when I came across it!

[mrkosh1]

I'm very interested in canabichromene or CBC. It is supposed to provide better analgesic relief than THC or CBD. 

[ironfistx]

I would like to know if the thc in the items you buy is the same as if you smoke it, because you're getting just thc in those.

[william7]

‘Vitamin Weed’: Neuroscientist says cannabis oil slows down aging process 

 

Neuroscientist Dr. Michele Ross says she believes everyone can benefit from ‘vitamin weed’, or daily cannabis oil use.  “Cannabis is the key to unlocking preventative medicine,” says Dr. Ross.  “It helps protect your DNA from damage so it can actually slow down the aging process. I think everyone should use cannabis oil, you should learn about it, you shouldn’t be afraid.”

 

In this clip from the Reset with Amber Lyon podcast, Dr. Ross says she takes Rick Simpson Oil on a daily basis to achieve endocannabinoid homeostasis.   Endocannabinoids are your brain’s natural marijuana and play a major role in overall health including the regulation of appetite, anxiety control, blood pressure, bone mass, reproduction, and motor coordination.  Deficient cannabinoid levels may be the underlying cause of numerous health conditions alleviated by cannabis.

 

Dr. Ross is a former drug researcher for the National Institute on Drug Abuse, turned medical marijuana advocate.

 

 

http://reset.me/podc...-aging-process/

 

[PeaceAndProsperity]

You drug addicts will go to any lengths to legitimize your abuse. There are even websites that attempt to prove that cannabis can treat all diseases. There is no end to your stupidity.

 

It's an absolute fact that cannabis permanently lowers the iq levels of people. But even more troubling, if cannabis did not give you a low iq then you had it before. It's a drug abused by people with notoriously low iqs. Of all drugs abused, the dumbest people abuse cannabis primarily.

 

Answer this question: why not abuse drugs that can at least help you get a job? Abuse amphetamine, it makes you more productive. Abuse hormones, they help you physically, socially and mentally.

There are so many better drugs to take than cannabis.

 

Nothing which cannabis does is needed on the market of supplements. If it is antiinflammatory properties you are after, there are a thousand harmless, non-neurotoxic supplements that are antiinflammatory in all tissues you may want the effect. If cannabis is anti-oxidant, there are a trillion supplements that are anti-oxidants.

If cannabis is neuroprotective, there are a trillion and one supplements that are neurprotective.

 

It's simply a matter of legitimizing drug abuse because cannabis makes you relaxed, it causes euphoria, it dulls the brain so you don't have to worry. That's weakness, taking a drug because you can't deal with real-life responsibilities.

 

As for the "scientist" you posted, you can clearly tell that she is not bright.

 

[PWAIN]

If you are going to make claims, at least cite the shitty studies you are basing your claims on. But you won't because that's your mo, make some bullshit claim and then not back it up. You sir are a classic troll.

Edited by PWAIN, 03 September 2017 - 09:38 PM.

[ironfistx]

It's an absolute fact that cannabis permanently lowers the iq levels of people.

Sources?

[william7]

There are so many better drugs to take than cannabis.

 

He must be in the pharmaceutical industry. Still trying to sell Big Pharma's drugs till the very end.

 

As for the "scientist" you posted, you can clearly tell that she is not bright.

 

She's only a former drug researcher for the National Institute on Drug Abuse. Glad she switched sides when she discovered the truth.

 

Nothing which cannabis does is needed on the market of supplements.

 

Tell that to that to the 88 percent of Americans that think otherwise.

 

"There continues to be wide support for allowing doctors to prescribe small amounts of marijuana for patients suffering from serious illnesses:  88 percent of Americans think this should be allowed – similar to a year ago.  Even most Americans who oppose legalizing marijuana in general think medical marijuana use should be allowed."

 

https://www.cbsnews....-all-time-high/

 

 

 

[abolitionist]

Whatever you happen to believe about Cannabis and longevity, there is clear science that shows it is helpful for problems related to aging brains and activation of the endocannabinoid system is a critical avenue of exploration.

 

Concerns about IQ reduction are negated if you consume low THC strains.

 

The main reason why I started this thread is to highlight the fact that the government prevents the pursuit of happiness and longevity.

 

You should never give up those pursuits and let some centralized medical hierarchy dictate what is normal and healthy.

 

the FDA mandates that medical treatments are aimed at CDC designated diseases which does not include aging or suffering and the pursuit of happiness is "recreational" - this alone tells you that you cannot trust the FDA or CDC at all

 

It's time to have libertarian principles back in medicine, time to reclaim our primary drives as sentient beings - to pursue happiness and longevity.

 

It's time to destroy the catholic FDA and CDC and bring in a new renaissance

[sthira]

It's a drug abused by people with notoriously low iqs. Of all drugs abused, the dumbest people abuse cannabis primarily.

Lol, oh Hi! Thanks for the gigggggles... shit, where to start?!

Herodotus: “The Scythians put the Seeds of this hemp under the bags, upon the burning stones; and immediately a more agreeable vapor is emitted than from the incense burnt in Greece. The Company extremely transported with the scent, howl aloud.”

Ishtar, also called the Queen of Heaven, was a compassionate, healing deity whose sacred plant cannabis (qunnabu) was known as the aromatic of time… from her widespread worship she is also known as the queen of the inhabited world.

They left this out of The Ten Commandments, but Ramses was a total pothead. How y'all know? Well, they found weed in his tomb, that's some commitment.

The Canaanite Earth and Mother Goddess, called "Creator of the Gods," Asherah: "In light of Ashera's recognition as a symbol of the sacred tree and her cult's use of cannabis (Emboden 1972), it is of interest to note that in medieval times, certain Moslem groups refered to cannabis by the name ashirah,"  wrote Chris Bennett and Neil McQueen in Sex, Drugs, Violence and the Bible.  "They saw it as an endearing term for their hempen girlfriend, (Rosenthal 1971)."

Zoroaster was a Persian prophet who founded Zoroastrianism, which was the state religion of ancient Persia, and he considered sweet mother herb to be the most important sacrament, and his priests were basically all gigantic stoners. Pythagoras loved weed.

Jesus Christ, a stoner. Look at him. Desert hippie, so what if he got a little swept with "I Am Who Am" stoner talk.

Joan of Arc claimed she could talk to God, too. One of the complaints against her in her trial was that she was up into the “witch’s herbs”

Legendary Chinese Emperor Shennong was a pioneer in studies of agriculture and medicine like 4,000 years ago. He experimented with herb on himself and others for shitty illnesses. He was a founder for pharmacology and is reported to have made a form of tea using cannabis, which was used to treat numerous ailments. The tea solution was called Ma'. Apparently, Shennong also allowed people to pay him in cannabis.

Shakespeare? Researchers found clay pipes with traces of cannabis in the garden of Shakespeare’s home in Stratford-on-Avon, which have been dated to the 17th century, contemporary with Shakespeare himself.

Michelangelo never got around to finishing up that thing he was working on, also known as the Sistine Chapel, probably because he was high.

Neil deGrasse Tyson says Robert Hooke "experimented with cannabis" as early as 1682. Who was Robert Hooke? Tyson: "He was possibly the most inventive person who ever lived… Hooke's insatiable curiosity encompassed absolutely everything. Hooke discovered a little cosmos, and we still call it by the name he gave it - the cell. Hooke discovered the cell by looking at a piece of cork with one of his own inventions - the compound microscope. He anticipated aspects of Darwin's theory of evolution by almost 200 years. Hooke also improved the telescope."

The first president of the US, George Washington, had a thriving hemp farm, and was known for separating out the most potent seeds to grow plants with higher concentrations of THC. James Monroe, the fifth US president, smoked weed his whole life. A lot of presidents played with herb.

Abraham Lincoln: "Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica.” (from a letter written by Lincoln during his presidency to the head of the Hohner Harmonica Company in Germany)

Writers? Artists? Scientists? You should look into their habits, man...

Alexander Dumas, The Three Musketeers, Count of Monte Cristo... "When you return to this mundane sphere from your visionary world, you would seem to leave a Neapolitan spring for a Lapland winter — to quit paradise for earth — heaven for hell! Taste the hashish, guest of mine — taste the hashish!”

Mark Twain. The San Francisco Dramatic Chronicle in 1865: "It appears that a “Hasheesh” mania has broken out among our Bohemians. Yesterday, Mark Twain and the “Mouse-Trap” man were seen walking up Clay street under the influence of the drug, followed by a “star,” who was evidently laboring under a misapprehension as to what was the matter with them."

Picasso? Cubism? Lol... Gaw, pretty much any artist...

William Butler Yates after smoking a few bowls: "Thereupon it struck me that I was seeing like a painter, and that in the course of the evening every one there would change through every kind of artistic perception."

Lord Byron describes himself as ”smoking and staring at mountains and twirling my moustachios..."

Comedians? Lol... like, all of them.

Groucho Marx riffing about Vaudeville: "We used to wear a little bag around our neck, called a Grouch bag. In this bag we would keep our pennies, some marbles, a couple of pieces of candy, a little marijuana, whatever we could get..."

Musicians? They're low IQ people? Haha

Louis Armstrong first toked in the mid-1920s, and he smoked it all his life, including before performances and recordings.

On August 28, 1964, Bob Dylan introduced the Beatles to marijuana. What was it Janis Joplin said about the 1960s and herb? Lol...

Malcolm X was jitterbugging in Zoot suits and being taken to "groovy, frantic scenes in different chicks' and cats' pads, where with the lights and juke down mellow, everybody blew gage and juiced back and jumped. I met chicks who were as fine as May wine, and cats who were hip to all happenings..."

Carl Sagan loved him some ganja, have you read his "Marijuana Reconsidered" See: "The cannabis experience has greatly improved my appreciation for art, a subject which I had never much appreciated before. The understanding of the intent of the artist which I can achieve when high sometimes carries over to when I'm down. This is one of many human frontiers which cannabis has helped me traverse."

Hunter S Thompson: “I have always loved marijuana. It has been a source of joy and comfort to me for many years. And I still think of it as a basic staple of life, along with beer and ice and grapefruits — and millions of Americans agree with me.”

Milton Friedman, 1976 Nobel Laureate in economics, was one of 500 economists to endorse a Marijuana Policy Project-commissioned Harvard report that estimated ending marijuana prohibition would save taxpayers $7.7 billion a year while generating $6.2 billion in tax revenue with a system to regulate and tax marijuana like alcohol.

Stephen Jay Gould got cancer, to cope he smoked weed, he said it was extremely effective in his recovery, and was an advocate for legalizing for medical uses. He wrote The Structure of Evolution Theory while being one of the most famous potheads in history.

George Carlin: "Grass doesn't make you stagger, your breath don't smell, and you don't puke on your shoes."

Stephen King: "I think that marijuana should not only be legal, I think it should be a cottage industry.”

Are you using an Apple computer to read this? Steve Jobs? Lol...

Or are you on a PC? Bill Gates: "As for drugs — well, Gates was certainly not unusual there. Marijuana was the pharmaceutical of choice.” (From Gates: How Microsoft’s Mogul Reinvented an Industry — And Made Himself the Richest Man in America, by Stephen Manes)

What, no love for reggae? Bob Marley: "When you smoke the herb, it reveals you to yourself.”

I could go on and on, it's been fun, google it, it's pretty much everybody who's cool and interesting, all of us.... If we here on Longecity aren't allowed sweet herb every now and then during our endless fucking immortality, then I don't know, man, who wants to face endlessness without some organic purple...

[william7]

The main reason why I started this thread is to highlight the fact that the government prevents the pursuit of happiness and longevity.

 

 

This is definitely a very good thread with a great purpose behind it! Thanks for starting!

[Oakman]

Great thread abolitionist! Things I have observed over ~40 years:

 

People have strong opinions about this topic, which they own against all common sense and facts, on both sides.

Although experience is the great teacher, many refuse this opportunity, and simply believe what they are told to believe.

The government's role here is to (insert history's lessons), not 'protect' you from anything dangerous. 

The pharmaceutical industry, in league with the DEA, the FDA, and Justice Dept, are hell-bent on maintaining their accumulated power, budgets, and lock on selling expensive "drugs" for the masses.

 

If cannabis did not allow you to gain an inner sense of peace, reflection, and enlightenment (outside of governmental control), it would simply be another natural substance, and so would be devoid of its political, cultural, and law enforcement history. Think about that.

 

Cannabis prohibition has only been overturned thru the 'ballot power of the people', and always against the wishes of government.

 

Finally, above all, "moderation in all things", is the best advice for taking any foreign substance in our bodies.

Specifically, as concerns cannabis re: longevity and health, new research shows that less is better.

 

[ironfistx]

Do we have any reports of cannabis lowering IQ?  I noticed people are saying that, but have there been any references provided?

[ironfistx]

Did I destroy the thread by asking for references that cannabis lowers IQ?

[ironfistx]

 

It's an absolute fact that cannabis permanently lowers the iq levels of people.

 

@PeaceAndProsperity do you have citations for this?  How come when I mention a forum participant it doesn't highlight their name?

Edited by ironfistx, 11 September 2017 - 06:45 PM.

[william7]

Here's a couple of links on Cannabis and IQ you might be interested in.

 

https://www.leafly.c...-and-iq-studies

 

https://www.leafly.c...ur-iq-after-all

 

http://www.huffingto..._n_3948855.html

[Nate-2004]

Reminder that even if it does affect IQ, it is only in developing, young, teenage brains that this is happening and even then, *only* involves chronic use. Apparently even then, this is reversible. 

Edited by Nate-2004, 12 September 2017 - 06:47 PM.

[ironfistx]

Microdosing pot: old mice are as crafty as young mice http://gizmodo.com/w...ther-1795037913

Edited by ironfistx, 12 September 2017 - 09:00 PM.

[Multivitz]

Parasites love anything you don't. Boron and molybdenum I find are herb enhancers by 6 fold. It's hormonal, bicarbonate, related I found. With weak digestion all this CBT essential oil phenol herb aroma goodness doesn't work for some. Just my take on this. Thx.
Parasites love anything you don't. Boron and molybdenum I find are herb enhancers by 6 fold. It's hormonal, bicarbonate, related I found. With weak digestion all this CBT essential oil phenol herb aroma goodness doesn't work for some. Just my take on this. Thx.