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[wootwoot]

This section of the forums has got to be the worst to try and find good information. I like the idea of a faq and really think that there needs to be one. All of the data on resveratrol is scattered and it is hard to get good answers unless anecdotal evidence is what you prefer. I am just trying to find the optimal dosage and other basic information but this area is really disorganized. Can someone please write a faq?

[wootwoot]

Does anyone agree or think I am off base?

[drmz]

problem with data collection in this subforum is that it is rather biased. People who don't use resveratrol or do'n't have a positive attitude towards resveratrol simply don't contribute to the topic. And i agree that there is alot of anecdotal evidence. Imminst is part of the marketing machine i guess. (seeing the the revgenetics banner even when i'm logged in as a member :( ) Even the domain "ResveratrolPriceWatch.com" is redirected to Imminst.

Edited by drmz, 01 May 2008 - 09:57 AM.

[Anthony_Loera]

drmz,

the banner, and ResveratrolPriceWatch.com are exclusively my doing. You can probably see the 'relentless improvement' banner one level up as well, so it is common to place a banner for a product or company. I suppose I can point the URL away from this website, but I believe it benefits folks to come here and read, join, and post about resveratrol in this forum.

Having said that, I don't believe the information that has been gathered here by folks is somehow inaccurate regarding the latest studies, because of my banner or my domain that points here. I have found more information on this board regarding resveratrol, than on any other on the internet, and decided to come here often and read up on items from folks who are much more specialized in the subject.

This forum and the people that post here, has changed the way we do business, at least 3-4 times since March of 2007.

I highly regard this forum, and I think calling the content of this forum part of the "marketing machine" maybe a bit of a stretch. People post resveratrol info here, the good and the bad. They post about different formulations, how to take, what seems to have worked, and what doesn't. The news about the latest Sirtris patents, and items. Opinions about other types of res, some folks even tested res in their own labs...

The amount of intellect gathered in this forum is simply staggering. We only need someone of Sinclair's stature to drop by once in a while to post interesting tidbits. Then again, because of the anonymous nature of the forum... maybe they already have.

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Edited by Anthony_Loera, 01 May 2008 - 02:32 PM.

[Anthony_Loera]

Guys,

does this forum provide something like a 'knowledge base" with search?
I would say, it's something we can provide at our website, but... it could be construed as biased. So I wanted to ask about it here.

on our website their is a link to the left (not on the homepage, but on the products pages) that says "Search Customer Questions". This sends you to the "knowledge base". It doesn't have much at all at this time as it's specific to our site, but we can add to it as easily as posting a message.

I don't want to post a direct link. But I wanted to see if something like this is available here, or other free public place?
Of course google search may work as well:

Example, typing this into google:
"site:www.imminst.org resveratrol sirtris patent"

brings up the forum posts where the patent links are shown and some discussions.

You know, following this train of thought, we could create a FAQ with google searches that would enable the user to go directly to the particular information:

Want links to Sirtris Patents: use "http://www.google.co...sirtris patent"
Want posts to resveratrol solubility: use "http://www.google.co...rol solubility"

of course we can always use the forum search feature as well. Just throwing it out there...

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Edited by Anthony_Loera, 01 May 2008 - 02:59 PM.

[drmz]

drmz,

the banner, and ResveratrolPriceWatch.com are exclusively my doing. You can probably see the 'relentless improvement' banner one level up as well, so it is common to place a banner for a product or company. I suppose I can point the URL away from this website, but I believe it benefits folks to come here and read, join, and post about resveratrol in this forum.

Having said that, I don't believe the information that has been gathered here by folks is somehow inaccurate regarding the latest studies, because of my banner or my domain that points here. I have found more information on this board regarding resveratrol, than on any other on the internet, and decided to come here often and read up on items from folks who are much more specialized in the subject.

This forum and the people that post here, has changed the way we do business, at least 3-4 times since March of 2007.

I highly regard this forum, and I think calling the content of this forum part of the "marketing machine" maybe a bit of a stretch. People post resveratrol info here, the good and the bad. They post about different formulations, how to take, what seems to have worked, and what doesn't. The news about the latest Sirtris patents, and items. Opinions about other types of res, some folks even tested res in their own labs...

The amount of intellect gathered in this forum is simply staggering. We only need someone of Sinclair's stature to drop by once in a while to post interesting tidbits. Then again, because of the anonymous nature of the forum... maybe they already have.

A

Alot of the information gathered here is either anecdotal or hypothetical and you cannot compare home labs with decent peer reviewed studies. I think that is the biggest problem. I mean they post about what works and what didn't work ? How can you test this ? I can post a whole story telling you guys that after taking resveratrol i suddenly biked really better then before taking resveratrol. There is a difference about a story and peer reviewed studies. I see the stories, the anecdotal part of the resveratrol discussion, as feeding the hype, there is nothing scientific about it.
And i'm very sure that if one has a positive attitude to an object, in this case resveratrol, one gathers positive information about it. We all look at the information with our own filter. That's a matter of psychological processes.

I don't see how the anonymous nature of a forum is benefical for it's members. Large companies pay people to join discussion about certain products. That's only possible because of the anonymous nature of a platform like a forum.

Business processes on the other hand have their own dynamics, that's why i'm not interested in interesting tidbits from Sinclair. I'm interested in studies, peer reviewed studies, not in rats but in human. I see the "SIRT 1 tested" colum in the excel sheet as the same sort of "interesting tidbits" . It's marketing, nothing more nothing less.

It's just my own opinion that Imminst should stay away from letting (didn't find a different word, dunno if it's english ) it's forum being used by supplement resellers. And please don't see this as a personal attack to you Anthony. I really think your post are more or less objective and you don't come up with false or incomplete claims. I just don't like the idea that imminst, for the resveratrol part, is becoming a platform for you as a company. It doesn't add something to the credibility of the forum. But that's my view, i don't run the board, i'm just a regular visitor. But it seems like things are changing fast since i first came here some 3 or 4 years ago.

btw i thought the banners disappeared after becoming a member here ?

Edited by drmz, 01 May 2008 - 03:39 PM.

[malbecman]

I have no problem with a FAQ, it would be a good idea but personally I have no time for such an undertaking. Google based searches work reasonably well for now, I guess....

Guys,

does this forum provide something like a 'knowledge base" with search?
I would say, it's something we can provide at our website, but... it could be construed as biased. So I wanted to ask about it here.

on our website their is a link to the left (not on the homepage, but on the products pages) that says "Search Customer Questions". This sends you to the "knowledge base". It doesn't have much at all at this time as it's specific to our site, but we can add to it as easily as posting a message.

I don't want to post a direct link. But I wanted to see if something like this is available here, or other free public place?
Of course google search may work as well:

Example, typing this into google:
"site:www.imminst.org resveratrol sirtris patent"

brings up the forum posts where the patent links are shown and some discussions.

You know, following this train of thought, we could create a FAQ with google searches that would enable the user to go directly to the particular information:

Want links to Sirtris Patents: use "http://www.google.co...sirtris patent"
Want posts to resveratrol solubility: use "http://www.google.co...rol solubility"

of course we can always use the forum search feature as well. Just throwing it out there...

A

[Hedgehog]

I have no problem with a FAQ, it would be a good idea but personally I have no time for such an undertaking. Google based searches work reasonably well for now, I guess....

Guys,

does this forum provide something like a 'knowledge base" with search?
I would say, it's something we can provide at our website, but... it could be construed as biased. So I wanted to ask about it here.

on our website their is a link to the left (not on the homepage, but on the products pages) that says "Search Customer Questions". This sends you to the "knowledge base". It doesn't have much at all at this time as it's specific to our site, but we can add to it as easily as posting a message.

I don't want to post a direct link. But I wanted to see if something like this is available here, or other free public place?
Of course google search may work as well:

Example, typing this into google:
"site:www.imminst.org resveratrol sirtris patent"

brings up the forum posts where the patent links are shown and some discussions.

You know, following this train of thought, we could create a FAQ with google searches that would enable the user to go directly to the particular information:

Want links to Sirtris Patents: use "http://www.google.co...sirtris patent"
Want posts to resveratrol solubility: use "http://www.google.co...rol solubility"

of course we can always use the forum search feature as well. Just throwing it out there...

A

I have asked one of the directors to add a "wiki" plugin/addon to allow users to create a wiki-resveratrol page that can be update by users of imminist.

[Anthony_Loera]

drmz,

maybe we should publicly implement a naming convention in the title of a post to easily know if one refers to a study, news article, or opinion.
It might help you filter out what you need.

Imminst as a "Platform for my company"? ... that part of your comment is interesting, but I feel it's incorrect... as anyone can visit, (even our competition) and purchase space or post.

No one is preventing anyone from buying ad space, or posting, as long as it is done properly. (Heck, Initially I was hammered on this as well in early 2007...) and Zoolander practically threw me out because I was not following the rules...

A

Edited by Anthony_Loera, 01 May 2008 - 07:27 PM.

[wootwoot]

I love this forum and think it is a great resource but I am tired of reading things like "Resveratrol made my teeth white", "Resveratrol cured my cancer and then made me breakfast". The anecdotal evidence is all over the place here.

[Hedgehog]

I love this forum and think it is a great resource but I am tired of reading things like "Resveratrol made my teeth white", "Resveratrol cured my cancer and then made me breakfast". The anecdotal evidence is all over the place here.

Here is the imminist wiki resveratrol page. It appears that you have the be a "Full member" to add or edit anything. I personally sorta think this sux but those are the rules. If somebody wants to get started with this resveratrol that would be nice. I would suggest by starting to copy and paste the real wiki resveratrol page and then users can put a little more information such as formulations (the theoretical ones not I did this and I think it works), resveratrol targets, maybe a little more details about metabolism...I could go on and on. I would do all this but I'm not a member and a little to busy.

http://www.imminst.o...php/Resveratrol

[mikeinnaples]

Resveratrol cured my testicular cancer, but it got me pregnant in the process. It gave me a healthy boy, but refused to pay child support.

[Alistair]

You can find a recent review of Resveratrol by my brother, Dr. Charles Tweed, that contains the best evidence he could find on PubMed (and no anecdotes) here:

http://aging-managem...resveratrol.php

It is by no means exhaustive, but might go some way to helping out with your wish for a FAQ.

We appreciate and value constructive feedback, if anyone has any.

Thanks,

Alistair

[Anthony_Loera]

Yes, we have a section on resveratrol at our site as well!

But I don't like linking it here, as it is a commercial website (much like your brother's site in your post), and people can't really contribute to the commercial website as much as in a forum. That is why I refer people to this website whenever they ask me where they can find the latest thoughts and discussions regarding resveratrol.

We also link to this forum from our website under our knowledge base question:
"Where can I find the latest info on ingesting resveratrol?"

It goes to show you that we regard the information and folks here in this forum, as some of the most knowledgeable folks around when it comes to resveratrol.
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Edited by Anthony_Loera, 21 May 2008 - 03:50 PM.

[Alistair]

I agree that there is a huge amount of knowledge and expertise to be found on this forum, from some extremely well informed and highly qualified people. I can also see what wootwoot means when he says that it is interspersed with a lot of anecdotal evidence and the really high quality data can be quite dispersed. Consequently, when he asked for a FAQ, I thought I could help. Wootwoot, did this help? Is this the kind of thing you are looking for?

Also, IMO, just because a website is commercial doesn't mean that it should necessarily be considered suspect or not open to input from it's visitors or customers. I believe you mentioned that you had changed your business due to feedback from this forum? I think a website should be judged on it's own merits. Yours is a commercial website and I like it. Nice clean graphics, informative and knowledgeable on it's subject. It is useful for information and learning and also provides people with something they clearly want. What is wrong with that?

Similarly, with two doctors at consultant level, both qualified surgeons, our website offers highly qualified advice from a medical perspective on how to live a longer, healthier life using the tools currently available to us. We are putting out some really high quality information for anyone and everyone to make use of for nothing. Imminst, revgenetics and aging-management are all sites where you have a good chance of getting the time it takes to read them back, which makes them rare and unusual sites with much in common. In the same way that a commercial web site, like yours can link to another relevant site of value, like this one, personally, I can't see anything wrong in linking to a relevant source of information with some value on a commercial site...