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#1 nancy_axel

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Posted 13 September 2008 - 09:31 PM


Hi Everyone,
I've been taking pramiracetam for some time now and even some piracetam before the pram trial. I notice that taking large doses of Piracetam matches up very well to Pramiracetam. There are a few profound differences in terms of dampening emotions though that pram has -- its a strange effect. I feel piracetam will make one happier, more lively -- music more symphonic and colors more vibrant. I find that pramiracetam has a similar effect in terms of sensory activation, but one doesn't care too much about the change. You honestly become somewhat machine-like under Pram. That's not to say you can study like a machine or retention rates on pram are much better than taking larger doses of Pira (2-3 grams, twice a day), it just means you have less emotion when you're studying. On the contrary, pramiracetam is noted to have a sedating effect -- and while colors are bright, I feel that life is less interesting when taking this particular 'racetam. A person also becomes a little bit more socially feeble (not necessary awkward) when taking pram. I've always been an alpha female when it comes to being the life of the party. When taking pram, I don't really care about partying and I'm not having fun. I see there's no point to partying -- but when the pram wears off during the week, I get a little sad that I haven't been socializing or that I'm just spending my time with my books and there is no fun. There is somewhat of a goal-oriented tendency on the pram -- but the way I think about is that I can just take some chocamine [or coffee] if I'm having some trouble motivating myself that day (and get a much more 'happy' type of rush out of it).

In short, pram is pretty good but coffee + 2-3 grams pira have a fairly comparable effect profile, while having a positive outlook.

I'm interested in what others have to say about pramiracetam, especially those who've been taking it unstacked and long-term.

*Bulk Nutrition suggests taking 2400 mg pira 4 times daily -- and so to some taking 6 grams over the course of the day isn't much -- but I don't notice a dose-dependant relationship past the first four grams and so stick with this dose. Let's not turn this thread into a forum on Pira dosaging.

Edited by nancy_axel, 13 September 2008 - 09:42 PM.

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#2 luv2increase

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Posted 14 September 2008 - 02:41 AM

These are all very good questions nancy!



If anyone wants to know the answer, go here:

http://www.imminst.o.....+pramiracetam
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Posted 14 September 2008 - 10:45 AM

These are all very good questions nancy!



If anyone wants to know the answer, go here:

http://www.imminst.o.....+pramiracetam


hahahahaha
man someone needs to do something about these threads
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#4 nancy_axel

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Posted 14 September 2008 - 08:18 PM

Hey Luv & Adanc3d, both of you honestly need to calm down -- i know how to search. I'm simply trying to start a post to consolidate people's experiences b/c if you've noticed .. no one is saying anything concrete about pram. Thanks for searching for me .. but you'll see none of those posts say anything about the experience except one guy having a hypomanic/photographic memory after excessively high doses. If you guys have anything useful to say, by all means say it .. if you've taken pram and can add to the knowledge base, please .. by all means let us know.

in the mean time get a life and stop deriding the post -- thoroughly useless individuals.

Edited by nancy_axel, 14 September 2008 - 08:23 PM.

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Posted 15 September 2008 - 04:52 AM

Hey Luv & Adanc3d, both of you honestly need to calm down



Excuse me..... Um, I was being straight forward. Why don't you go back and pick one of your pramiracetam posts and bump it up instead of starting a new one? It getting a bit redundant nancy.
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#6 nancy_axel

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 11:30 PM

just looking to get some info luv ;) thanks for the input beautiful ..
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Posted 17 September 2008 - 12:41 AM

You might be taking too much. Stimulants will make you more sociable and more emotional up to a poin then it makes you go in the opposite direction. The effects of the racetams seem to be similar so I would not be surprised taking a far more powerful racetam would make this effect. I've taken most of them and gotten little effect but piracetam seems to be the best bet so far due to a little better half life and it being harder to go to far with it.
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Posted 17 September 2008 - 02:15 AM

just looking to get some info luv ;) thanks for the input beautiful ..



And you will get a lot more if you use the search button.


For instance, how much input has your thread received thus far??? That is exactly my point. What I told you is what every other person has told people who start threads like you in the past and present on every forum in existence on the WWW.


Pramiracetam is not a widespread use racetam so, like I told you in the past, you will not find much input on it. You trying to start the same thread every week or two is not going to change that. It is a very expensive racetam which steers a lot of people clear from it. That along with the negative NO effects it induces in the brain aren't very attractive.
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Posted 17 September 2008 - 02:51 AM

just looking to get some info luv ;) thanks for the input beautiful ..


Nancy, I seriously don't want it to feel like I'm "piling on" here with the criticisms. But when you call people "beautiful" or "hon" or anything like that, it comes across as very condescending. I'm sure that's not your intention, but it may have something to do with the hostility you've been experiencing here.
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#10 nancy_axel

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Posted 17 September 2008 - 03:10 AM

just looking to get some info luv ;) thanks for the input beautiful ..



And you will get a lot more if you use the search button.


For instance, how much input has your thread received thus far??? That is exactly my point. What I told you is what every other person has told people who start threads like you in the past and present on every forum in existence on the WWW.


Pramiracetam is not a widespread use racetam so, like I told you in the past, you will not find much input on it. You trying to start the same thread every week or two is not going to change that. It is a very expensive racetam which steers a lot of people clear from it. That along with the negative NO effects it induces in the brain aren't very attractive.

Alright people, the NO effects aren't something to go over the top over just because deprenyl (neuroprotectant) is known to have the same NO-promoting tedancy, while extending an organism's life.

Hey, can anyone but Luv respond .. b/c dude's comments aren't helping.

I know Pram is expensive, but I'm sure there is information out there and I think my account was the first [or at least most descriptive] I've seen to add to the experience-oriented knowledge base on Pram.
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Posted 17 September 2008 - 11:59 AM

Hi Everyone,
I've been taking pramiracetam for some time now and even some piracetam before the pram trial. I notice that taking large doses of Piracetam matches up very well to Pramiracetam. There are a few profound differences in terms of dampening emotions though that pram has -- its a strange effect. I feel piracetam will make one happier, more lively -- music more symphonic and colors more vibrant. I find that pramiracetam has a similar effect in terms of sensory activation, but one doesn't care too much about the change. You honestly become somewhat machine-like under Pram. That's not to say you can study like a machine or retention rates on pram are much better than taking larger doses of Pira (2-3 grams, twice a day), it just means you have less emotion when you're studying. On the contrary, pramiracetam is noted to have a sedating effect -- and while colors are bright, I feel that life is less interesting when taking this particular 'racetam. A person also becomes a little bit more socially feeble (not necessary awkward) when taking pram. I've always been an alpha female when it comes to being the life of the party. When taking pram, I don't really care about partying and I'm not having fun. I see there's no point to partying -- but when the pram wears off during the week, I get a little sad that I haven't been socializing or that I'm just spending my time with my books and there is no fun. There is somewhat of a goal-oriented tendency on the pram -- but the way I think about is that I can just take some chocamine [or coffee] if I'm having some trouble motivating myself that day (and get a much more 'happy' type of rush out of it).

In short, pram is pretty good but coffee + 2-3 grams pira have a fairly comparable effect profile, while having a positive outlook.

I'm interested in what others have to say about pramiracetam, especially those who've been taking it unstacked and long-term.

*Bulk Nutrition suggests taking 2400 mg pira 4 times daily -- and so to some taking 6 grams over the course of the day isn't much -- but I don't notice a dose-dependant relationship past the first four grams and so stick with this dose. Let's not turn this thread into a forum on Pira dosaging.


This is a terrific, thoughtful, nuanced experience report that gave me a lot to think about. Thank you.

I suggest ignoring luv2, everyone else does.

I have not taken pramiracetam, but hopefully short of turning this thread into a forum on piracetam dosing, I will say that doses very quite widely. More than 600mg acutely of piracetam makes me drowsy and 400mg is my sweet spot, and a few others have similar experiences.
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Posted 17 September 2008 - 12:04 PM

just looking to get some info luv ;) thanks for the input beautiful ..



And you will get a lot more if you use the search button.


For instance, how much input has your thread received thus far??? That is exactly my point. What I told you is what every other person has told people who start threads like you in the past and present on every forum in existence on the WWW.


Pramiracetam is not a widespread use racetam so, like I told you in the past, you will not find much input on it. You trying to start the same thread every week or two is not going to change that. It is a very expensive racetam which steers a lot of people clear from it. That along with the negative NO effects it induces in the brain aren't very attractive.

Alright people, the NO effects aren't something to go over the top over just because deprenyl (neuroprotectant) is known to have the same NO-promoting tedancy, while extending an organism's life.

Hey, can anyone but Luv respond .. b/c dude's comments aren't helping.

I know Pram is expensive, but I'm sure there is information out there and I think my account was the first [or at least most descriptive] I've seen to add to the experience-oriented knowledge base on Pram.


I think the point was that if you posted your request in an existing thread, it would get much more interest, plus it makes the forum more efficient.

I personally think pram is overpriced for the reported benefits it has. Pira/oxi/ani/cdp choline stacking is enough for me on the racetam side of things, I really can't justify the pram stacking, and neither can most people here, although some have experimented with it and even fewer take it regularly. This is quite a specialised supplement, so you're better off jumping onto an existing thread that some people may recognise (i.e. they have posted there before), and are keen to pick up on again.
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Posted 17 September 2008 - 02:44 PM

Maybe a great majority of people who have taken pramiracetam can't chime in because they are no longer with us, physically and/or mentally? Have you ever thought about that?

I mean, the thread title says it all; you would think someone who has taken pramiracetam would have gave their input by now in the more than 12 threads dealing with pramiracetam nancy has started since she has been a member here.


Go type in pramiracetam in the search function and see how many threads were started by her.... I bet it's around 75% of her threads are based on pramiracetam. Maybe this is a sick marketing ploy to get people interested in pramiracetam? I don't know...........


grattch & other naysayers: I'm not being rude or mean yet rather rational. Anyone who sits back and thinks about it will come to this same conclusion as I have in my last two posts of this thread. IT IS COMMON SENSE PEOPLE

Edited by luv2increase, 17 September 2008 - 02:47 PM.

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Posted 17 September 2008 - 02:57 PM

since the beginning of 2006, she has posted 50% of the threads containing 'pramiracetam' (she has posted 10 in total). Since she started posting pram threads, she's been responsible for over 80% of all pram threads, and they all seem to 'look' the same thread-title wise.

So, luv2increase is clearly right.
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Posted 17 September 2008 - 04:26 PM

>>> I'm interested in what others have to say about pramiracetam, especially those who've been taking it unstacked and long-term. <<<

I have taken pramiracetam few years ago, - and FWIW I would not recommend it to healthy people looking for a cognitive boost.
Initially I got some mild stimulation without jitters IIRC, but after a few days dose I 'felt' my abstract/logical thinking consumed my available brain power, dunno how to describe it, - perhaps if you look into H Gardner's theory of the multiple intelligences, pramiracetam just screws with them! No free lunch. ;-)
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Posted 17 September 2008 - 08:55 PM

>>> I'm interested in what others have to say about pramiracetam, especially those who've been taking it unstacked and long-term. <<<

I have taken pramiracetam few years ago, - and FWIW I would not recommend it to healthy people looking for a cognitive boost.
Initially I got some mild stimulation without jitters IIRC, but after a few days dose I 'felt' my abstract/logical thinking consumed my available brain power, dunno how to describe it, - perhaps if you look into H Gardner's theory of the multiple intelligences, pramiracetam just screws with them! No free lunch. ;-)


I am noticing a very similar effect. I've been taking it unstacked for 2 weeks at 600 mg, twice a day. Its more depressing than anything else I've seen. At first, you feel 'whoa, this stuff is strong' .. you feel happy with the change b/c emotion is slowly dissipating. With time I feel myself not even paying attention -- becoming emotionless ..

the best way to describe pram is that it shuts down emotions and as a result logic shines through more. That's not to say you become more logical -- its your decisions are less driven by emotion.

LUV just keep your trap shut on this one thread and I'll stop posting about pram-related experiences. You drive people away with your cynicism and endless barking ..
but thanks for the input bro .. you're extremely helpful yet again. By the way, there are a lot of people who've tried pram etc .. I'm trying to reattract them to the pram posts (they've private messaged me -- but are reluctant to write about and I can't figure out why). I don't sell pram, and even if I did -- I'd try to send them to my site (there are a bunch of places that sell it). Enough with the conspiracy theories -- useless .

In the end, pram is a strange drug and I don't think you become a genius on it -- not even after weeks of supplementing. It doesn't seem like its worth the sacrifice to one's quality of life. This is a counter argument to the one individual who made the comment of becoming a photographic memory/genious after a few weeks of supplementing with it .. I'm thinking it could have been a hypomanic episode.

Edited by nancy_axel, 17 September 2008 - 08:57 PM.

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Posted 17 September 2008 - 09:13 PM

In the end


Ok, that sums it up then. Enough of this pramiracetam stuff nancy. You have all the info that you need. Reading of other people's experiences won't change your own. You said it was the end, so please let it be.


Thank you.
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Posted 18 September 2008 - 12:57 AM

In the end


Ok, that sums it up then. Enough of this pramiracetam stuff nancy. You have all the info that you need. Reading of other people's experiences won't change your own. You said it was the end, so please let it be.


Thank you.


Hi everyone, just ignore Luv .. he hates when he has a wrinkle in his boxers. In the mean time, if anyone does have anything meaningful to say about pram, i'd appreciate anybody's thoughts (instead of luv's persistent nagging and deriding of every pram post I've put up). luv, if you haven't tried pram -- just ignore these threads (and obviously i won't post again -- unless i feel you totally screwed this one over so people don't want to reply), thanks buddy .
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Posted 18 September 2008 - 02:38 AM

Wherefore art thou moderator? Deny thy laziness and this thread tame.

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 03:49 AM

In the end


Ok, that sums it up then. Enough of this pramiracetam stuff nancy. You have all the info that you need. Reading of other people's experiences won't change your own. You said it was the end, so please let it be.


Thank you.


Hi everyone, just ignore Luv .. he hates when he has a wrinkle in his boxers. In the mean time, if anyone does have anything meaningful to say about pram, i'd appreciate anybody's thoughts (instead of luv's persistent nagging and deriding of every pram post I've put up). luv, if you haven't tried pram -- just ignore these threads (and obviously i won't post again -- unless i feel you totally screwed this one over so people don't want to reply), thanks buddy .



Why do you want to know so bad other people's experiences with pramiracetam? It doesn't make any sense since you have had negative results with it. Are you going to continue taking it even though you didn't get anything positive out of it nancy?

Usually, if someone has bad results from something, they don't care much about it anymore, and they will move on to something that actually works for them.


Out of all substances talked about on this board, why are you so obsessed with one that doesn't do it for you and you surely won't order again and take anymore??? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Are you trying to induce the placebo effect with pram for yourself? For example, you read someone post something positive on it and then dwell on that post, then take your pram and think you will have the same effect as the person whom posted the positive review?

100% the majority of the time people will only inquire of other people's experience IF they are thinking of ordering that particular substance in question. You, on the other hand, have already taken pramiracetam, didn't have a positive result and still are obsessed with it for some unknown reason.
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Posted 18 September 2008 - 09:39 AM

Are you trying to induce the placebo effect with pram for yourself? For example, you read someone post something positive on it and then dwell on that post, then take your pram and think you will have the same effect as the person whom posted the positive review?


That's an interesting point, and if I was a sneaky unscrupulous marketer of some nootropic that always had marginal results it's something that I would try and do to get it to work for my customers.
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Posted 18 September 2008 - 02:19 PM

Agreed - if she would post positive results - but I haven't seen that!
In fact in her last post she is stating the contrary!
So maybe she is just interested in trying the bring different opinions together.
I have also some Pramiracetam (now for more than a year untouched) - and I was interested in following this thread.

Cheers

Alex

Are you trying to induce the placebo effect with pram for yourself? For example, you read someone post something positive on it and then dwell on that post, then take your pram and think you will have the same effect as the person whom posted the positive review?


That's an interesting point, and if I was a sneaky unscrupulous marketer of some nootropic that always had marginal results it's something that I would try and do to get it to work for my customers.


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#23 nancy_axel

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Posted 01 October 2008 - 10:05 PM

In the end


Ok, that sums it up then. Enough of this pramiracetam stuff nancy. You have all the info that you need. Reading of other people's experiences won't change your own. You said it was the end, so please let it be.


Thank you.


Hi everyone, just ignore Luv .. he hates when he has a wrinkle in his boxers. In the mean time, if anyone does have anything meaningful to say about pram, i'd appreciate anybody's thoughts (instead of luv's persistent nagging and deriding of every pram post I've put up). luv, if you haven't tried pram -- just ignore these threads (and obviously i won't post again -- unless i feel you totally screwed this one over so people don't want to reply), thanks buddy .



Why do you want to know so bad other people's experiences with pramiracetam? It doesn't make any sense since you have had negative results with it. Are you going to continue taking it even though you didn't get anything positive out of it nancy?

Usually, if someone has bad results from something, they don't care much about it anymore, and they will move on to something that actually works for them.


Out of all substances talked about on this board, why are you so obsessed with one that doesn't do it for you and you surely won't order again and take anymore??? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Are you trying to induce the placebo effect with pram for yourself? For example, you read someone post something positive on it and then dwell on that post, then take your pram and think you will have the same effect as the person whom posted the positive review?

100% the majority of the time people will only inquire of other people's experience IF they are thinking of ordering that particular substance in question. You, on the other hand, have already taken pramiracetam, didn't have a positive result and still are obsessed with it for some unknown reason.


It says on the bottle .. that it takes weeks before there is an effect .. I'm on week 4 and all I've been feeling is tired .. although verbal ability is enhanced. thanks for your concern darling.
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#24 luv2increase

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Posted 01 October 2008 - 10:21 PM

Why do you want to know so bad other people's experiences with pramiracetam? It doesn't make any sense since you have had negative results with it. Are you going to continue taking it even though you didn't get anything positive out of it nancy?

Usually, if someone has bad results from something, they don't care much about it anymore, and they will move on to something that actually works for them.


Out of all substances talked about on this board, why are you so obsessed with one that doesn't do it for you and you surely won't order again and take anymore??? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Are you trying to induce the placebo effect with pram for yourself? For example, you read someone post something positive on it and then dwell on that post, then take your pram and think you will have the same effect as the person whom posted the positive review?

100% the majority of the time people will only inquire of other people's experience IF they are thinking of ordering that particular substance in question. You, on the other hand, have already taken pramiracetam, didn't have a positive result and still are obsessed with it for some unknown reason.



It says on the bottle .. that it takes weeks before there is an effect .. I'm on week 4 and all I've been feeling is tired .. although verbal ability is enhanced. thanks for your concern darling.


Why did you reply to this post of mine yet not even answer my questions for you? What is wrong with you? Why do you keep calling me darling?
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Posted 01 October 2008 - 11:28 PM

Why do you want to know so bad other people's experiences with pramiracetam? It doesn't make any sense since you have had negative results with it. Are you going to continue taking it even though you didn't get anything positive out of it nancy?

Usually, if someone has bad results from something, they don't care much about it anymore, and they will move on to something that actually works for them.


Out of all substances talked about on this board, why are you so obsessed with one that doesn't do it for you and you surely won't order again and take anymore??? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Are you trying to induce the placebo effect with pram for yourself? For example, you read someone post something positive on it and then dwell on that post, then take your pram and think you will have the same effect as the person whom posted the positive review?

100% the majority of the time people will only inquire of other people's experience IF they are thinking of ordering that particular substance in question. You, on the other hand, have already taken pramiracetam, didn't have a positive result and still are obsessed with it for some unknown reason.



It says on the bottle .. that it takes weeks before there is an effect .. I'm on week 4 and all I've been feeling is tired .. although verbal ability is enhanced. thanks for your concern darling.


Why did you reply to this post of mine yet not even answer my questions for you? What is wrong with you? Why do you keep calling me darling?


Hi Luv :),
Well to answer your question - I feel the negative effects of pram are wholly in their ability to kill emotion and make someone feel lethargic. My being an emotional person -- now taking pram I feel the complete opposite -- and it takes time to get used to. I notice when the effects wear off, I have to deal with the suppressed emotion.
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 12:43 AM

Did anyone find a choline supplement was necessary with pramiracetam?
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Posted 23 October 2008 - 06:52 PM

Has anyone felt that pramiracetam from biogenesis-antiaging is low quality (made in china) and loaded with sides? I feel depressed and tired when on it. I don't recall getting these feelings when on other brands of pramiracetam ..
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Posted 23 October 2008 - 09:26 PM

I noticed that as well. I bought some from Relentless and it was definitely crisper, too bad their not selling anymore as the price was alot better. Where did you buy your other Pram from?

I stopped taking Pram for a while and after a month I noticed my mood wasn't as good. Since Pram has an antidepressant effect I tried taking it again and my mood improved. So Pram I take Pram. It has a slight sedating effect I only take it in the late afternoon-evening, otherwise it starts to wear me down by nightfall.
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Posted 24 October 2008 - 07:59 PM

What did you notice on the pram from relentless? Any impacts on memory?

What do you mean by 'crisper'? What sides did you notice specifically from International Anti-Aging's Pram?

RT

I noticed that as well. I bought some from Relentless and it was definitely crisper, too bad their not selling anymore as the price was alot better. Where did you buy your other Pram from?

I stopped taking Pram for a while and after a month I noticed my mood wasn't as good. Since Pram has an antidepressant effect I tried taking it again and my mood improved. So Pram I take Pram. It has a slight sedating effect I only take it in the late afternoon-evening, otherwise it starts to wear me down by nightfall.


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Posted 26 October 2008 - 10:08 PM

Out of all the nootropics in regards to the "ractam" family, I've concluded based off of anecdotal feedback that pramiracetam has the least favorable cost:benefit ratio. I haven't seen anyone give it that "wow" factor as have the other three prominent racetams: piracetam, oxiracetam, and aniracetam.
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