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#1 Singularity

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 11:49 PM


I believe that noots MUST be combined with brain training in order to be most effective. That's just my personal opinion.

www.lumosity.com

I thought I'd mention this since I've been using it for a while (paid member) and really like it and they just added some new games. The games are very well designed, imo, and best of all, fun and challenging so you don't get bored.

You can view your performance history and watch yourself improve. The games are short, so you can get some quick games in during idle times throughout the day.

My BPI is 1134.

Edited by Singularity, 14 May 2009 - 11:50 PM.


#2 tempohigh

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 05:44 PM

I believe that noots MUST be combined with brain training in order to be most effective. That's just my personal opinion.

www.lumosity.com

I thought I'd mention this since I've been using it for a while (paid member) and really like it and they just added some new games. The games are very well designed, imo, and best of all, fun and challenging so you don't get bored.

You can view your performance history and watch yourself improve. The games are short, so you can get some quick games in during idle times throughout the day.

My BPI is 1134.


I've never used lumosity, but these "brain exercising" games are becoming mainstream. In terms of exercising your brain, whats the difference between lumosity and, say, critically analyzing a non-fiction book? Or playing chess? At least with analyzing a book or lecture, you can learn something useful while exercising your brain.

Im not disapproving of using lumosity. I am just curious why you think its better than other ways to exercise your brain. And what is BPI?

Alternate focus: In your opinions, or personal experiences, what are the best ways to workout your brain?

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#3 Declmem

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 07:45 PM

CognitiveFun.net is probably just as good.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 09:57 PM

I've never used lumosity, but these "brain exercising" games are becoming mainstream. In terms of exercising your brain, whats the difference between lumosity and, say, critically analyzing a non-fiction book? Or playing chess? At least with analyzing a book or lecture, you can learn something useful while exercising your brain.


i guess lumosity holds the appeal of 'objectively' being able to measure gains in specific categories (as opposed to analyzing a non-fiction book, where no one is really grading you), so thus might be more useful in determing the impact of nootropics

#5 Singularity

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 12:37 AM

Oh, I never said it's better than reading a book by any means. I think it's complementary to reading, chess, engineering, debate, etc., as weight training is for any sport. Of course it's not a substitute and I would be surprised if it was read that way. You know how you pick up a dumbbell to do some curles and tri's to strengthen your throwing arm? Just think of it that way. If you are lacking in one area, you can do some exercises. The idea is it's just another avenue to challenge your brain and keep it young and agile.

One interesting thing I've noticed lately that's different from the times I used to play before using the noots, is that I can FEEL my brain move into some kind of high focus mode. It's like I can feel what part of my brain is being used. Having a sensation that I can associate with a state of mind could help in the ability to "find my way" back to that state at will. But, isn't this the Holy Grail of cognitive control? But, I digress.

#6 Singularity

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 12:52 AM

CognitiveFun.net is probably just as good.


I just checked them out. I would have to say that, although the tests seem based on science and have similar ones at lumosity, the interface and feel doesn't hold a candle to lumosity. I'm serious. They could really use some improvement in that area. There is a lot better out there that I saw before when I was researching these kinds of sites. I got bored in about 2 seconds.

I thought there was a free trial at lumosity without having to sign-up, oh well.

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 03:17 AM

CognitiveFun.net is probably just as good.


...the interface and feel doesn't hold a candle to lumosity.



Seriously. I think it's screwed up that I have to pixel hunt to put the cursor in the box, so I can type the answer...

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 11:03 AM

I believe that noots MUST be combined with brain training in order to be most effective. That's just my personal opinion.

www.lumosity.com

I thought I'd mention this since I've been using it for a while (paid member) and really like it and they just added some new games. The games are very well designed, imo, and best of all, fun and challenging so you don't get bored.

You can view your performance history and watch yourself improve. The games are short, so you can get some quick games in during idle times throughout the day.

My BPI is 1134.


I been playing for a couple of weeks now and i find it useful to measure and challenge your intelligence, most notably you can see what your weak points are and can practice those more. I'm almost finished basic training 1 and i find the game word bubbles most challenging. My BPI in the overall category is similar to yours, but you know whats funny, for example in the speed category i got 1333bpi and in the problem solving i got 1271bpi, but it says my bpi is better than 87% of others within 5 years of my age for the problem solving and 80% for speed category and i though bpi is equivalent but it appears not to be.

Anyone who knows of any worthwhile brain training game sites could you please post them here.

Edited by dave_black, 26 May 2009 - 11:06 AM.


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Posted 26 May 2009 - 08:52 PM

I use Brain Workshop [ Link ]

"A recent study published in PNAS, an important scientific journal, shows that a particular memory task called Dual N-Back may actually improve working memory (short term memory) and fluid intelligence. This finding is important because fluid intelligence was previously thought to be unchangeable. The game involves remembering a sequence of spoken letters and a sequence of positions of a square at the same time."


"Aim for 20 sessions per day (about 25 minutes), 4 or 5 times per week. The "Sessions Today" indicator in the top right corner of Brain Workshop represents a convenient way to keep track of your 20-session goal. In the original study, participants showed up to 40% gains in measured fluid intelligence scores after 19 days of daily practice."

I like it very much and even though it's the same exercise over and over you don't ( atleast I don't ) get bored which is really nice :)

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 02:00 AM

I use Brain Workshop [ Link ]

"A recent study published in PNAS, an important scientific journal, shows that a particular memory task called Dual N-Back may actually improve working memory (short term memory) and fluid intelligence. This finding is important because fluid intelligence was previously thought to be unchangeable. The game involves remembering a sequence of spoken letters and a sequence of positions of a square at the same time."


"Aim for 20 sessions per day (about 25 minutes), 4 or 5 times per week. The "Sessions Today" indicator in the top right corner of Brain Workshop represents a convenient way to keep track of your 20-session goal. In the original study, participants showed up to 40% gains in measured fluid intelligence scores after 19 days of daily practice."

I like it very much and even though it's the same exercise over and over you don't ( atleast I don't ) get bored which is really nice :-D



dave_black, I do pretty well in the speed category, since I used to be low and have trained that the heaviest recently. I just moved to word bubbles as well since I'm trying to improve communication/verbal skills. The Brain Shift and Brain Shift Overdrive is a good one in the same Flexibility catagory.

I'm in the 77% of my group Overall which I think stinks. But, I've been neglecting one area, math. I'm 41 and it's like my multiplication tables just started to evaporate over the past 5 years. It's scary when that happens to memories that you assume are virtually permanent. And math was always my easy subject. But, I just lost the memorization part of it. I can still conceptualize... at least as far as I know, but honestly, I don't think anything at lumosity actually tests conceptual abilities/skills.

***If anyone knows of any online cognitive games that test/train concept comprehsion, please post a link.

cribbon, thanks for that what looks like a good find, and it looks free! I know that as soon as I outgrow Lumosity, I'll have to continue on to new games continuously. I hope this industry does well.

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 04:34 AM

My Lumosity trial just ran out, does anybody know other sites that have brain training games? Or any games I could play that help with memory. I'm downloading Brain Workshop but something else online would be nice.

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 11:50 AM

My Lumosity trial just ran out, does anybody know other sites that have brain training games? Or any games I could play that help with memory. I'm downloading Brain Workshop but something else online would be nice.


Wysefool, there are some webbased Dual-n-back games out there, dunno if they're any good though, i sort of settled with brainworkshop. I have no need to really compete with others so i don't feel like having to use some fancy-pancy site that usually costs money anyways. Brainworkshop is free and it includes jazzy tunes when you do good :-D

Dual-n-back also have a big google group

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Posted 31 May 2009 - 02:27 AM

dave_black, I do pretty well in the speed category, since I used to be low and have trained that the heaviest recently. I just moved to word bubbles as well since I'm trying to improve communication/verbal skills. The Brain Shift and Brain Shift Overdrive is a good one in the same Flexibility catagory.

I'm in the 77% of my group Overall which I think stinks. But, I've been neglecting one area, math. I'm 41 and it's like my multiplication tables just started to evaporate over the past 5 years. It's scary when that happens to memories that you assume are virtually permanent. And math was always my easy subject. But, I just lost the memorization part of it. I can still conceptualize... at least as far as I know, but honestly, I don't think anything at lumosity actually tests conceptual abilities/skills.


77% is alright, all it takes is a weakness in one area to bring your overall down. I find maths easy, i would like to see this game have some more emphasis on complex problem solving instead of speed. I finished basic training1 and lumosity suggested to do the speed category so that's what I'm doing now, although my flexibility was the lowest. I'm 37 and in the 81% of my group. On www.cognitivefun.net those different versions of dual'n back are damn hard.

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Posted 31 May 2009 - 06:41 AM

I did a bit of searching and came up with these,
http://brain-train-a...m</span></span> download, free
http://www.filemapper.com/download_KGB_secrets__APE__dwn9326.htm download, free looks ok but have not tried it.
http://www.games2download.com/free-puzzle-games/amazing-brain-train.htm download, free
http://www.miniclip.com/games/en/brain-training.php free, childish
http://jayisgames.com/tag/braintraining free
http://brain-training-for-dummies.relaxlet.com download, free trial for 60mins
http://www.shockwave.com/gamelanding/braintrain.jsp download, free trial 10 days looks childish





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Posted 19 November 2010 - 05:20 AM

Any any other Lumosity users here disappointed with todays new overhaul of how they calculate your BPI? I thought there was some kind of glitch in the system when i saw my profile today. I'll probably play less now since it feels like i'm better at it and am not as motivated to play :sad:

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 03:28 AM

Any any other Lumosity users here disappointed with todays new overhaul of how they calculate your BPI? I thought there was some kind of glitch in the system when i saw my profile today. I'll probably play less now since it feels like i'm better at it and am not as motivated to play :sad:

Ya my BPI is 1364

And I sent them an e-mail they should make it more competitive. As in show the highest score for that game, or the 5 highest score etc..

They replied back saying it will discourage too many people if they showed the highest scores.

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Posted 30 May 2015 - 04:09 AM

Since I've logged so many hours Dual N-Back brain training, I'm going to draw a lot comparisons and insights between Lumosity and the N-Back apps I've used.

 

The biggest difference...

Is that the games are a lot funner than Dual N-back training; the graphics and animation are quiet sharp, it's not the entertainment value of say Angry Birds, but they are quiet fun. It doesn't quiet feel like a clunky arcade game shrunk into a smartphone app, like Dual N-Back does.

 

Lumosity seems to be adding new games to the Andriod app all the time, there's 21 brain games, which challenge a variety of your mental faculties; spatial intelligence, attention shifting, reaction times, short term memory, pattern recognition and mathematics.

 

My favorite games on Lumosity are...

Penguin Pursuit - This game is kind of like Packman, but you are penguin who has to race through a maze against another penguin to eat a fish. Every few seconds the maze rotates 90 degrees, so you have to reorient on the fly. It's kind a challenge for your spatial intelligence and I found it quiet fun. I've gotten so good at Penguin Pursuit that Lumosity is actually going to send me a stuffed animal Penguin as a prize... Just kidding! But I do feel like I deserve some kind of reward for my persist Penguin Pursuit.

Trouble Brewing - This game simulates the barrista's task of juggling customer's orders behind the bar of a cafe. I found it a fun working memory challenge.

I actually enjoyed the mathematics games as well, which is interesting because when I was younger I abhorred mathematics. Now I actually find the time based mathematics games pretty fun. I found certain smart drugs noticably improved my mathematics aptitude.

 

What about Transfer Effects?

Does Lumosity training just make you better at playing the games or does it actually make you more intelligent in your real life? Overall I feel like brain training has been really good for my memory...

Three to four years ago, I was actually quiet disappointed in my memory, my roommate even noticed that I would forget a lot of things. I remember being frustrated that being in my mid 20's my memory wasn't sharper.

Now my memory is quiet sharp; it's quiet rare that I forget names, lose my train of thought, run out of things to say or that I forget what I'm working on in the middle of the day and find myself mindlessly scrolling through Facebook. My short term memory has noticeably improved...

For example, the other day I was going to a housewarming party of some friend's who were moving into a penthouse apartment, one of them texted me the address, I came over, then a few hours later one of my other friends asked the address and I was able to tell them just from memory. Even now a couple days later I can remember it off the top of my head. This sort of thing happens to me all the time.

It's hard for me to say this change in my memory is thanks to Lumosity, though. I've spent an average of 15 minutes a day brain training for the past 3 years using Dual N-Back, Memory Systems, HRV training and I learned a second language which I trained using Doulingo and Supermemo.

My 30th birthday is coming up in a few months and instead of entering middle age feeling like I'm just getting older, I feel like I'm just getting better, that my 30's are going to be my best decade yet and I'm really excited.

However, it's really difficult for me to identify after three months any really specific transfer effects from Lumosity, compared to Dual N-Back training, where there was quiet noticeable improvements to my memory within 2-3 weeks.

 

Mindfulness training?

As I've talked about in depth, I found Dual N-Back to be tremendously beneficial mindfulness practice. Lumosity is a little story; you play 5 games a day and each game takes about 60 seconds. Your concentration on the game gets broken up every 60 seconds. So you spend like 8-9 minutes using the app but only about 5 of that is spent brain training. Whereas Dual N-Back training is a solid 10-20 minutes, at least, of focused brain training. In this regard it's nowhere near as challenging exercise of your focus muscles.

 

Barometer of Nootropic effectiveness and lifehacking habits

Like many biohackers I use brain training and quantified self technology to measure the day to day performance of the cognitive enhancers I consume:

Modafinil - Definitely spikes my mental performance, especially in reaction time and spatial intelligence based games.

Caballo - Similar to Modafinil, improvements in accuracy and reaction time.

Phenylpiracetam - This Racetam earned it's reputation as a math geek's smart drug for me. I saw my math scores go up consistently on Phenyl.

L-Theanine - No noticeable difference.

Noopept - No noticeable difference.

However; I don't take smart drugs everyday and a lot of other lifestyle factors make a significant difference in my cognitive performance, such as...

Diet, I see that artesianal pizza or delicious sandwich from my favorite cafe in a different light as I see the difference in brain training scores within 2-4 hours of these dietary indiscretions.

Sleep, brain training while tired or sleep deprived makes a pretty big difference versus doing it mid day after a proper night of sleep.

I practice #nofab intermittently in 14-21 day periods. I found that towards the end of those periods my scores level up.

A nice piece of hard evidence to back up a common sense, yet difficult to practice, lifestyle habit.

 

Meditation and Breathing

I'm also in the middle of my Headspace trial, I found something interesting, doing 10 minutes of mediation before brain training makes a significant difference in my scores, especially when I focused on profound breathing during mediation. Tech workers like myself are chronically shallow breathers, this improvement of Lumosity scores would indicate that several minutes of purposeful, profound deep breath, spread sporadically throughout the day will improve my productivity by 25% - 40%.

 

I found I got my very best Lumosity scores, after 10 minutes of mediation focusing on deep breathing, immediately proceeded by 60 pushups in the mid day, on a semi full stomach about 2 hours after consuming smart drugs, either Racetams or Modafinil.

 

As you Google search Lumosity or brain training software you'll find that a lot of people online are quiet bearish about it. It's kind of a grey area of science, there's some decent human studies showing that it does help your memory and there's some showing that it has zero effect.

The conclusion I've reached is that it's a tool for personal development that works for some people and for some other people it doesn't work.

Sometimes there's these people that want to start debates with me online because I recommend brain training software. I always ask these people: Have you actually tried making a practice out of brain training? They almost never have.

I say before starting a debate with someone like me give brain training a try for at least a month, 30 days. Do it with some consistency. It might do nothing for you or, like for me, it might make a big difference.

 

There's an +800 page, biography of John D. Rockefeller, appropriately entitled Titan. John D. Rockefeller, was the richest man ever, he built the company Standard Oil which employed 6 million people. In his biography it talks about how he was this extremely disciplined person, it talks about his daily schedule which he was extremely strict about, he would play a brain training puzzle game three times daily. I rest my case about the importance of brain training to a productive life.

 

In conclusion...

For personal development, Dual N-Back is still my top recommendation for brain training. However, as I've said elsewhere it's boring and I recommend getting some variety in your cognitive enhancement practices, So I recommend trying Lumosity. It has an unlimited free demo that only takes about 5 minutes a day and it is fun to play so what do you have lose?

 

This review originally appeared on LimitlessMindset.com

 

 

 

 






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