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#1 Python49

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Posted 27 October 2009 - 06:25 AM


A little background information about myself is that I am 23 years old and have a situation where as far as my libido is concerned, I rarely ever get any random erections throughout the day if not stimulated by porn or being with a female. I can literally go months if I chose to, without even getting an erection or any interest in sex simply by not looking at porn or doing anything intimate with a woman. If I do look at porn or get around a woman however, I get erect like normal and am able to have sex or masturbate. For the most part I don't have erectile problems but have certainly noticed sometimes that if I'm watching porn and then get up to go to the bathroom or lose focus for a minute, I will very quickly lose my erection, same with during sex. As long as I stay focused however I usually do not have problems with an erection... not sure if that sounds like symptoms of ED or not but I figured the more information the better.

I have tried various supplements at pretty high dosages in an effort to increase my libido but none have really worked except I believe "Steel Libido" was working at one point in time but I stopped taking it and wasn't monitoring close enough to really be sure. I did notice increased sexual libido for a week or so but since it is comprised of small dosages of like 5 things (maca, tribbulus, L’arginine, ashwaganda, and yohimbe) it's hard to have any idea what caused it if any of them did to begin with.

I have tried exercising, a well balanced healthy diet, and getting plenty of sleep. I have taken lots of yohimbe on a daily basis along with multi vitamins over an extended amount of time to give it a fair chance, as well as horny goat weed, tribulus extract, and other blended sexual supplements recommended by friends such as "ejaculoid", "chainsaw", and "volume pills". None have done anything noticeable at all really. I tried reading through posts here on this forum and it all seems to be so specific and detailed that I'm sure how much of it would relate to exactly what I am trying to do which is to simply become hornier. I was considering trying L'arginine or ashwaganda in higher doses since I was thinking that thee was something in Steel Libido that worked for me and since I've tried tribulus and yohimbe as well as maca I figured I should try those two. Some threads I read though mentioned how L'arginine by itself isn't healthy and could cause all sorts of problems and since I'm pretty new to all this figured I needed some help.

Other possibly relevant information is that I had gone to the doctor a year ago when concerned maybe my T-levles weren't high enough and he said they were normal. Also when I was growing up I was never the type to masturbate 5 times a day or anything, I usually always did just once and I was done so I'm not sure my drive has ever been super high but I have definitely noticed it's become weaker.

Edited by Python49, 27 October 2009 - 06:29 AM.


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Posted 27 October 2009 - 06:39 AM

Have you tried ginger ?
http://www.imminst.o...ger-t33926.html

It's probably not the most exotic, but it should be safe, and it just might work.

Also, do you have the test results ?
Ask for a copy if you can.

For a young man, T levels should be high-normal.

Edited by rwac, 27 October 2009 - 06:41 AM.


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Posted 27 October 2009 - 06:40 AM

whats your saturated fat intake look like?

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Posted 27 October 2009 - 06:42 AM

Why is this a problem? If you have no want of sex then why do you want to want sex? A lot of the time I wish my libido was lower.

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Posted 27 October 2009 - 08:28 AM

Why is this a problem? If you have no want of sex then why do you want to want sex? A lot of the time I wish my libido was lower.

Believe it or not, this answer may actually have part of the CURE in it. You're thinking too much. You're thinking so much, that you're not paying attention to what you FEEL. Certain supplements out there may 'amplify' what you feel on that level (at what cost, depends on the supplement and is yet to be really figured out), but it's there anyway. In many ways this is true of being less stressed and alcohol, too, but it will definately help with libido and energy levels.

So uh.. how do you go about thinking 'less', or at least thinking when you want to, instead of compulsively? Some supplements help with that, but meditation is a good way to do it, too. Mindfulness in plain english is a good manual on how to do it. I'm reading it again, since I plan on start meditation, I've had your problem before and this does seem to alleviate it pretty well. Time will tell, I suppose. I will say this, though: it's like a whole new state of existence. A little disconcerting, at first, but I could get used to having less stress and clearer thinking.

The part about upping your saturated fat intake is valid, too. Meat and coconut oil. Also, make sure you're getting enough cholesterol, the heavy compounds help with T production, though according to your doctor that doesn't seem to be the problem.

Edited by shazam, 27 October 2009 - 08:30 AM.


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Posted 27 October 2009 - 08:11 PM

Sex drive is pretty complicated and is mediated through (at least) the following biochemical/psychological pathways:

1. Testosterone/Estrogen (yes, healthy normal estradiol is important too)

2. Dopamine - probably complicated, but amphetamines/cocaine, D3 receptor agonists e.g. pramipexole, D2 receptor agonists e.g. cabergoline, etc are all known to increase libido, and dopamine antagonists appear to decrease it. This is partially due to dopamine's suppression of prolactin, which decreases serum sex hormones.

3. The melanocortin 4 receptor.

4. Stress/anxiety/depression/sleep deprivation, etc.

The list is probably longer than this, but I guess I'd say continue to minimize 4, and test 1. If test is low, you could check out resistance training. Nettle root extract (standardized for divanil) is also recommended, as it inhibits sex hormone binding globulin. Pharmaceutically, low-dose clomiphene citrate would help with this. You might also look into psychotherapy and/or ED medication (PDE5 inhibitors). Sometimes just getting an erection is enough to get the ball rolling.

Don't go months without sexual activity; this decreases testosterone production. Also, don't practice CR, in case you were planning on it. Also, buying bremelanotide on the intarweb may be an option, if you don't mind buying from sketchy vendors and/or subcutaneous injections. Probably a bad idea.

Good luck!

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Posted 28 October 2009 - 04:02 AM

Lots of great feedback, this really seems to be a very knowledgeable forum.. glad I've found it.

Rwac - I haven't tried ginger, no, but I'm definitely open to trying it. I'm going to go to the doctor again soon to get a physical done and get my T-levels chdecked out since the last time I had it checked was I think 8months to a year ago. What test results should I be asking for a copy of? I'm pretty new to all this... am I asking for a copy of blood work? T-levels? What exactly?

Ajnast - The past 2 months my saturated fats intake has been pretty low, but since low libido is something I've noticed for probably 2 years now I've certainly gone through periods where my diet had a higher saturated fat intake and still low libido.

Esoparagon - Yeah I understand what you're saying and am aware that there are some benefits to a low libido but even though my body doesn't desire sex... psychologically I'm still aware that sex is very enjoyable and fun so I still WANT to feel horny so that I can enjoy it, but my body does not feel horny often at all. So basically I still want it mentally but physically my body doesn't feel horny or to be craving it. I don't think it's uncommon for people that have a low libido to want to figure out ways to increase it since I've came across similar posts in the past.

Shazam - I've definitely gone through periods where I just stopped caring and thinking about it much at all but all that ended up doing was having me go a month or more without getting an erection once so. I'm not sure I fully understand what you are saying though.

Vespene - Yeah I'm going to check with my doctor again soon to see what my T-levels are at. So you are recomending to continue with a healthy diet and getting lots of sleep as well as maybe try out the Nettle Root, clomiphene citrate, or PDE5 inhibitors? I have no idea what any of these are but wil be reading up on them. Are they safe? Or is there not really enough information to know for sure? Also yeah I had heard that not vaing sex or masturbating decreased testoserone and that getting your body conditioned to having sex more actually helped? I had considered maybe just masturbating more often to maybe get my body more in the habit of sexual type acivity but wasn't sure if it would work, just figured I'd experiment with it to see. Do you think that's an ok idea?

Edited by Python49, 28 October 2009 - 04:05 AM.


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Posted 28 October 2009 - 05:04 AM

Rwac - I haven't tried ginger, no, but I'm definitely open to trying it. I'm going to go to the doctor again soon to get a physical done and get my T-levels chdecked out since the last time I had it checked was I think 8months to a year ago. What test results should I be asking for a copy of? I'm pretty new to all this... am I asking for a copy of blood work? T-levels? What exactly?


A copy of your blood work is always nice to have.
Doctors don't always tell you if something is just slightly low or high.

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Posted 28 October 2009 - 06:49 AM

Shazam - I've definitely gone through periods where I just stopped caring and thinking about it much at all but all that ended up doing was having me go a month or more without getting an erection once so. I'm not sure I fully understand what you are saying though.


I'm not implying you should forget the idea of having sex... haha, I kinda have alot of self actualization material in my mental library, so I suppose I made a leap or two in the explanation there. What I'm suggesting is that you find some way to shut your brain up. Since this is a HEALTH forum I'm guessing you don't have alcohol on your to do list, which is good, but if the problem isn't low T or low DMT (or thyroid problems, I guess), then supplementation might not be your cureall. In fact, it probably isn't ANYWAY, though if it is one of the former you should work on that problem in addition to shutting your brain up.

Start working out. I notice the periods when I work out my libido goes up. Definately gonna get back on the horse this week. I don't just mean cardio. Do a warmup of like 8 minutes running before your workout, and lift weights. Something about lifting a weight that at first glance you believe to be too heavy for you just reminds you that there are a ton of hot girls out there to fuck, and you are just the man to smash through the drywall and do it. As a sort of funny aside, my goal for strength is sorta unconventional; I wanna be able to rip off a car door. I have no idea how useful that would be, but I wanna be able to do it. Be careful of overtraining, as a last note. Start slow if you don't already work out. But start. Gradually push till your find your limits. Creatine and handling your diet is all you'll need in the way of supplements to start.

Eat enough. My current diet ratio is 35protein/35carbs/30fat, with 33 percent of that being saturated fat from eggs, meat and coconut oil. It's a bit of a weird ratio, and it will probably need adjusting later, but the important part in relation to T is getting enough fat/sat fat. And get enough cholesterol, too. There's a reason it has a daily value, and that might even be a little low. Eggs and meat are good sources there.

These last two things should go a LONG way to boosting that drive.

How often do you beat off? Try to limit it to 24 hour intervals at the most. If you watch porn, stick to POV stuff the majority of the time. When you do, take your time. Don't take many breaks, and keep a steady rhythm, changing the pace when you see fit kinda like actual sex. Heh. This is not the kinda thing I was expecting to discuss here. Anyway, don't do it because 'I guess I should do this, to boost my sex drive', do it for ENJOYMENT. Almost... DOMINANT, even if it is a solo act. Carry this attitude over to sex, too. You won't see many opportunities if you don't. This is gonna sound funny, but go to freakin' town. Thrust if you like. You might give yourself a vertical indian burn if you're too exuberant without some kinda lubricant. Hey, that rhymed! Look into kegels as well. Aaaand that just about sums up all that I care to mention on this subject.

That should cover the quick fix basics. Now, a further expansion on what I was saying. Alot of people think too much. Waaay too much. Not as a function of planning or forethought, but compulsively. To the point that something as primal and enjoyable as sex, almost can become a function of image maintenance and validation seeking. Because it's "what I should do", in some of the worse cases.
This is why we get people who are afraid of rejection, or who don't even try due to some kind of mental block or discouragment; it's almost like a voice in their head, this incessant stream of thought. Now, there are a couple ways to shut this the fuck up. Exercise, in addition to telling your hormones to wake the fuck up and all that nice endocrinological stuff it does, will indirectly shut this compulsive thinking the fuck up, because you're exerting alot of energy.

Sometimes you have to choose between "Run that extra mile" and "Imagine future scenario XYZY1020131", or "Remember memory number 1902139 in data vault 12. Emotionally react to it." If you've ever really pushed the boat out endurance running, or even pushed yourself, you know EXACTLY what mile I am talking about. And if you haven't, well, you will. If you choose running that mile, you will be forced to stop thinking, and start paying attention. Let it happen. At first there may be a little resistance to really waking up and snapping out of the walking thinking coma alot of people seem to be stuck in, but let it happen. There's no way to force it to happen, you can only let it happen. This does not mean 'become fucking stupid'. In many ways you actually become smarter, as you aren't just constantly walking around in old thought patterns, wasting energy on looking for external gratification to tell you that you're all cool, or wasting it on feeling insulted, perceiving slights and maintaining an image.

Now, the most direct way to stop thinking compulsively (Not in the sense of OCD, but in the sense described above, constantly jumping to past and future when you're not actually consciously deciding to remember something, imagine something, or plan something out.) is, to quote the author Eckhart Tolle; "Be in the now". Sounds kinda vague, hmm? There's sort of a reason for that. If you have too many expectations on what stopping the stream of thought is like, you're going to be THINKING about those fuckin' things for hours trying to sort it out before you even DO IT. A more semantically specific way to say it would be "Shift your attention/focus to the present moment, to what you can see with your eyes, hear with your ears, and feel with and within your body."

Of course, for somebody who is just grasping this, or willing to try it because it sounds novel or reasonable, that can be a little tough. Just be sure that you're meeting the criteria above and you should be alright. NOOOO thoughts should take up that attention. If you're thinking, it should be because you decided to think. This is the method I've had the most experience with so far. It's sort of a form of active meditation, and can be done ALL THE TIME. If you can do it during a heated, dramatic argument (maybe with family), it's a sure sign you're getting really good at this. I haven't really tried that yet. I think I will.

Another method to 'snap out of it' that I've found, but have not tried to the extent of the former idea is mindfulness meditation, also known as 'vipassana'. Don't let the name throw you off, anybody can learn to do it, there's no religious immersion necessary. Mindfulness in plain english is a good 'how to' on that subject. Should be free, just google it.

Also, in addition to working out with weights, a warmup cardio, and cardio, stretch. Keeping flexible, oddly enough, will help your energy levels. Let's see, what else do I have in the mental bank. Oh. Duh. LOOK AT HOT GIRLS. NUUURRR. Pretty obvious one. You know that cutie who you might go on the same bus route as? Don't sneak a furtive glance every once in a while, keep eye contact. Stay in the damn now when you do it. Don't be afraid to check them out a little, even right in front of their faces. If they get all mad and shit they're just frigid anyway. Either that, or they're trying to get you off guard to see what you're made of. You can kinda tell when it's that one. And don't try to repeat this crap in your head as a 'justification' for doing it, not that you necessarily would. Just stay in the now while you look at them. If you do, it will become pretty obvious why you're looking at them to both you and them. If working out and all the other tips didn't get your motor going initially, you can bet that firing up some chemistry will, and in a HURRY. Hell, even remembering (on purpose) times when you had chemistry going with a girl will get your motor going a little. It gets mine going =P. But it's no substitute.

Heh, typing that kinda felt like building something. "The great wall of text".

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Posted 28 October 2009 - 01:16 PM

One thing about T and thyroid levels is a lot of people here don't like the medical standard for normal. I'm not sure what you should target, but others know better.

The other thing is psychological. When I compared my teenage libido to current levels (I'm 23) I'm not even the same person. It's a lot lower than those years. But I'm not concern. As long as I have no underlying physical or psychological problem, I'm fine; it's just the new me. It feels weird to be different. A non-horny 20 something is odd.

If I say so myself, a lot of this has to do with growing up. I can't relate to the ways I hear some guys (or even girls) talk about women anymore. What I want in a woman has completely changed from just a year ago. And I'm sure you'll find that many guys can attest that things like porn gets boring after a while.

You're comparing yourself to other 20 somethings. Do you think you're buying into that comparison too much?

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Posted 28 October 2009 - 06:02 PM

Hey shazam, that was a very insightful post, wow, do appreciate it. To answer your questions and follow up with some of my own...

How often do you beat off? Try to limit it to 24 hour intervals at the most. If you watch porn, stick to POV stuff the majority of the time. When you do, take your time. Don't take many breaks, and keep a steady rhythm, changing the pace when you see fit kinda like actual sex. Heh. This is not the kinda thing I was expecting to discuss here. Anyway, don't do it because 'I guess I should do this, to boost my sex drive', do it for ENJOYMENT. Almost... DOMINANT, even if it is a solo act. Carry this attitude over to sex, too. You won't see many opportunities if you don't. This is gonna sound funny, but go to freakin' town. Thrust if you like. You might give yourself a vertical indian burn if you're too exuberant without some kinda lubricant. Hey, that rhymed! Look into kegels as well. Aaaand that just about sums up all that I care to mention on this subject.

How often I beat off varies a lot because really it's in my control and often just is moreso related to how often I'm bored rather than how often I'm horny. If I get bored I'll just pop open some porn and beat off. Sometimes I might go weeks or a month+ without beating off once or having sex once, then other times maybe once a day. One thing that's remained consistent though is that in order for me to feel horny I have to make the effort to put myself into a situation where I'm sexually aroused by a girl or looking at porn otherwise I won't get horny at all. No morning wood, no random wood when seeing a hot girl during the day, no nocturnal wood, etc.

That should cover the quick fix basics. Now, a further expansion on what I was saying. Alot of people think too much. Waaay too much. Not as a function of planning or forethought, but compulsively. To the point that something as primal and enjoyable as sex, almost can become a function of image maintenance and validation seeking. Because it's "what I should do", in some of the worse cases.

I understand entirely what you mean about compulsive thinking since I definitely am someone that is very often analyzing things but I am pretty consciously aware of my thoughts and how thought patterns work. I've read a little bit about it such as the book "Frame Games" or other things that touch on it, but could you elaborate how this would relate to my lack of libido? Are you saying that me consciously thinking about other things keeps me from getting horny? I ask because, if I'm not overanalyzing anything sexual or thinking about sex... I simply don't get horny so I'm trying to relate what you're referring to to lack of libido. The only thinking I do with regard to sex is when I'm in a situation to have it in which case I'm fine, or when watching porn in which case I don't have issues either, but when not doing either of those I have certainly had plenty of experience with just not thinking about it much.

Sometimes you have to choose between "Run that extra mile" and "Imagine future scenario XYZY1020131", or "Remember memory number 1902139 in data vault 12. Emotionally react to it." If you've ever really pushed the boat out endurance running, or even pushed yourself, you know EXACTLY what mile I am talking about. And if you haven't, well, you will. If you choose running that mile, you will be forced to stop thinking, and start paying attention. Let it happen. At first there may be a little resistance to really waking up and snapping out of the walking thinking coma a lot of people seem to be stuck in, but let it happen

Yeah, I find things like this very interesting and read about how the brain works a decent amount so I think I'm a bit familiar with the things you're referring to. I have read the book "The Power of Now" and other material explaining the relationship between our thought patterns and emotional responses as well as how to gain control over it in situations where you want to push yourself to stay motivated or whatever. I'm still unsure like I said though of how this would relate to my lack of libido. When actually presented with a situation where I am aroused sexually I don't over think it or have many performance problems, and when not in those situations I don't over think it but as a result I just end up not feeling desire to have sex period.

Hey JackChristopher,

You're comparing yourself to other 20 somethings. Do you think you're buying into that comparison too much?

It's very possible. I've considered this as well but then what brings me back to considering it's a problem is that I think it's a bit abnormal to be 23 years old and capable of never getting horny, unless making a conscious decision to go out of my way to make myself horny. I feel like, if unprovoked, I would never get horny or an erection at all and I don't think that's a good thing. I know I've gone 3 months straight before with no erection or form of ejaculation because I just decided to test out and see if simply not having sex would make me desire it and I just let go of 'caring' and focused on work related activities instead. It didn't do anything for me.

Edited by Python49, 28 October 2009 - 06:07 PM.


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Posted 28 October 2009 - 10:22 PM

You say you only get horny when you look at porn or are with a woman. Sounds normal to me.

Stress will inhibit that so don't expect to desire sex if you're stressed out all day.

I would bet you're worrying about nothing.

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Posted 30 October 2009 - 02:04 PM

You say you only get horny when you look at porn or are with a woman. Sounds normal to me.

Wouldn't it also be normal though for a male to begin to at least get somewhat horny after months with no sex? I physically feel no change. I also thought nocturnal and morning erections are normal but I don't get either of these...

I'm going to look into trying Ginger and see if I can get my blood work posted and check on my T-levels.

I had thought about trying to take each of the ingredients in Steel Libido isolated at higher dosages but is that safe? The L-argenine, ashwaganda, and Maca I was going to try to take higher doses of those 3 separately as well.

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Posted 30 October 2009 - 02:56 PM

I think the porn thing is the problem. You've trained yourself to only respond to one kind of stimuli, which sitting on your computer watching the stuff. I went through this myself. It got so bad that sometimes I couldn't get turned on by sex but would instantly get hard when I sat on my computer chair (brain associated chair with the reward of looking at porn..weird, I know).

Solution? Stop watching ALL porn for as long as it takes. Take it another level and don't masturbate either.
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Posted 30 October 2009 - 06:42 PM

It's very possible. I've considered this as well but then what brings me back to considering it's a problem is that I think it's a bit abnormal to be 23 years old and capable of never getting horny, unless making a conscious decision to go out of my way to make myself horny. I feel like, if unprovoked, I would never get horny or an erection at all and I don't think that's a good thing. I know I've gone 3 months straight before with no erection or form of ejaculation because I just decided to test out and see if simply not having sex would make me desire it and I just let go of 'caring' and focused on work related activities instead. It didn't do anything for me.

Does this affect your ability to have stable, long-term relationships with women? When I think of the reasons for wanting to date, sex is only one of them.

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Posted 31 October 2009 - 01:11 AM

I think the porn thing is the problem. You've trained yourself to only respond to one kind of stimuli, which sitting on your computer watching the stuff. I went through this myself. It got so bad that sometimes I couldn't get turned on by sex but would instantly get hard when I sat on my computer chair (brain associated chair with the reward of looking at porn..weird, I know).

Solution? Stop watching ALL porn for as long as it takes. Take it another level and don't masturbate either.


this ^^

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Posted 31 October 2009 - 09:49 AM

I think the porn thing is the problem. You've trained yourself to only respond to one kind of stimuli, which sitting on your computer watching the stuff. I went through this myself. It got so bad that sometimes I couldn't get turned on by sex but would instantly get hard when I sat on my computer chair (brain associated chair with the reward of looking at porn..weird, I know).

Solution? Stop watching ALL porn for as long as it takes. Take it another level and don't masturbate either.

Hey man, thank you for the post. I certainly could give this a try but I don't just react to one kind of stimuli since I get aroused when around a female as well. I also have gone months without looking at porn or masturbating at all before in the past and nothing happens. Wouldn't this be a good thing to try after exploring other options? I'm basically thinking that going for 2 years without masturbation or porn would be a much longer option/route to take before maybe looking into other things? Also how long did you have to wait before noticing changes? I've gone long periods before without noticing anything so I'm just curious.

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Posted 31 October 2009 - 10:36 AM

Since i haven't seen it mention here, there's definitely a connection between vitamin e and the gonads, you might try 400 IE. I can also testify for Mucuna pruriens and Ashwagandha.

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Posted 31 October 2009 - 12:34 PM

When I think of the reasons for wanting to date, sex is only one of them.


There are others? :p

Once I got past the romantic fool stage of my life, which happened in my early 30s, sex pretty much became the only reason to date, and that's a good thing! :p

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Posted 31 October 2009 - 12:41 PM

I can also testify for Mucuna pruriens and Ashwagandha.


All the libido-boosting herbs mentioned in this thread are, in my opinion, more likely to do harm than good in the long run.

Have you guys thought this through? What happens when you take them for a long time, or stop taking them? For each of these supplements, discuss and compare w.r.t. the following keywords: :p

Toxicity
Tolerance
Tachyphilaxis
Dependence
Withdrawal
Downregulation
Negative feedback

Edited by viveutvivas, 31 October 2009 - 12:43 PM.


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Posted 31 October 2009 - 02:45 PM

I can also testify for Mucuna pruriens.


Ditto. I take it infrequently, though. I also take low-dose dhea [10 mg, q.d., AM]

Edited by pycnogenol, 31 October 2009 - 02:46 PM.


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Posted 01 November 2009 - 09:55 AM

I think the porn thing is the problem. You've trained yourself to only respond to one kind of stimuli, which sitting on your computer watching the stuff. I went through this myself. It got so bad that sometimes I couldn't get turned on by sex but would instantly get hard when I sat on my computer chair (brain associated chair with the reward of looking at porn..weird, I know).

Solution? Stop watching ALL porn for as long as it takes. Take it another level and don't masturbate either.


From my own experience, I second that. I've been there. Pron destroys your libido. It may take a while before things get back normal but resist your urge to watch porn in any case. You can masturbate but do it with your own fantasies.
Also, the less sex you get, the less you want/need it.

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Posted 01 November 2009 - 11:40 AM

I may have missed if this was discussed, but do you ever awake with an erection? This is normal in healthy males: arousal during certain stages of sleep. If you at least occasionally wake with morning wood, it indicates you are physiologically healthy and any "problem" is likely due to conditioned responses. That you respond normally to female company tends to support this. You might want to have your testosterone levels measured anyway, to at least rule out low testosterone as a factor.

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Posted 01 November 2009 - 12:35 PM

Try this combination.

L-arginine
zinc picolinate
Saw palmetto
Perika brand st. johns wort

I added the st. johns wort because I think in many cases impotency is at least partially the result of depression. Diet is important too. Too much carbs+sugar bad. Too much IGF-1 promoting foods bad (It is alarming how many meat eaters develop strong, almost uncontrollable impotence as they get older which i'd assign the other half of the blame to DHT production). Moderate protein intake is fine but I would definitely not go too high. Stay away froom too much soy. Try it out, see if it works.

Edited by TheFountain, 01 November 2009 - 12:43 PM.


#25 ronkupper

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Posted 01 November 2009 - 02:32 PM

Hi,

What about talking to a doctor?
You can go directly to a specialized sex clinic which will examine you both physically and psychologically to determine the cause and offer solutions.

You can also ask the doctor to prescribe Androgel to boost up your testosterone levels and see how it goes.

Best of wishes,

Ron

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Posted 01 November 2009 - 06:45 PM

Try this combination.

L-arginine


Not good in the long term. May cause tolerance, cause vascular damage, and leave you worse off than you started. Google the paper "arginine no benefit and possible harm". That was for PAD but the result (development of tolerance and vascular damage) probably generalizes.

Saw palmetto


One of the worst things you can take. DHT is essential for libido, and SP reduces DHT, so this make absolutely no sense. If you look up the side effects of SP, you will see impotence and low libido listed.

Perika brand st. johns wort


I can't speak for STW, but most antidepressants are well-known suppressors of libido and erectile function. I would not try this one.

Stay away froom too much soy.


Now that I can agree with. :p

Edited by viveutvivas, 01 November 2009 - 06:46 PM.


#27 nowayout

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Posted 01 November 2009 - 06:50 PM

You can also ask the doctor to prescribe Androgel to boost up your testosterone levels and see how it goes.


Yes, if you want to shut down your own hormones, possibly permanently, become infertile, and be dependent for the rest of your life on hormone replacement therapy starting in your early twenties.

The OP said himself he has no problem performing with a girl. Why on earth would anyone suggest such a drastic fix for what emphatically isn't broke?

This needs to be said, because there are doctors idiotic enough to do it.

Edited by viveutvivas, 01 November 2009 - 06:52 PM.


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Posted 01 November 2009 - 07:47 PM

Saw palmetto


Watch out for Saw Palmetto.
Gynecomastia is a possible side effect.

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Posted 01 November 2009 - 08:21 PM

Maybe you're too smart for sex. :p

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 05:01 AM

Try this combination.

L-arginine


Not good in the long term. May cause tolerance, cause vascular damage, and leave you worse off than you started. Google the paper "arginine no benefit and possible harm". That was for PAD but the result (development of tolerance and vascular damage) probably generalizes.

Saw palmetto


One of the worst things you can take. DHT is essential for libido, and SP reduces DHT, so this make absolutely no sense. If you look up the side effects of SP, you will see impotence and low libido listed.

Perika brand st. johns wort


I can't speak for STW, but most antidepressants are well-known suppressors of libido and erectile function. I would not try this one.

Stay away froom too much soy.


Now that I can agree with. :)


I thought it was testosterone in the absence of too much DHT which mediated libido? Hence why I brought zinc into it. Too much DHT can lead to diminished effect as men get older by causing an enlarged prostate etc

and i'm aware of the negative studies on l-arginine but I believe cycling it for a week at a time is probably not so harmful.

Edited by TheFountain, 03 November 2009 - 05:02 AM.





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