Thats a great find Niner, I read through this book excerpt.
“The blanket presumption that the latter states [of poverty, pain, ill health] bring ‘misery’ that is worse than death is disrespectful to those who, having experienced them, disagree.” –Ackerman
I love this quote. It’s a great tool to use against those people that say, “Old people are happy to die, they are greatful for what they had and happy for their long productive lives, and they are happy to put a final chapter on the book, and complete their lives and go off in to their much deserved sleep, and have the chance to brave the great new worlds of the unknown, they arent immature like you, they want death.” (<---<<<??!!)
Ackerman goes over how Leon Kass talks about diminishing interest and engagement. Kass illustrates that the Don Juans, for example, wouldn’t have any real need to desire longer lives so they could increase the 1,000 number of woman they have seduced, to 1,250. The Kass’s talk about how repetition gets old, and that a person can only do any things, like watch so many reruns of their favorite shows and things like that.
People though can, I and many others say, and ought to try to expand their horizons as much as they can, and consciously try to desire more out of life, and purposefully try to set greater and greater, and or more and more deep and profound goals. That is why many of us think its important to incorporate the big 8
in to peoples thinking patterns. These produce an effect that Vicktor Frankl calls Logo Therapy. Other cultures like the Japanese call this concept Ikaigai. The premise is basically that those that have a grander purpose to want to live are those that tend to survive. Frankl was in a concentration camp during WWII and outlines how those who tended to survive were the ones that had a greater purpose they wanted to get back to. Maybe a book they were writing, a wife they loved dearly, a research project , or invention they wanted to finish, etc… He noted that those who tended to die more easily, though in the same conditions as those that tended to survive, were the ones who didn’t have anything to press on for, to fight for, to want to see through. The big 8 sums up, contains all those things we can want to fight for and see through.
Ackermans quoting seems to be getting at and supporting this same notion. Ackerman quotes as follows:
“The perceived value of endless life could well be closely related to the general type of person one is and the sort of life one chooses to live.” – C. Overall
The following quote is another great point, besides having something to want to live extended periods of time for, besides having a good reason to fight, people also need to know that its realizable.
“The value of life extension will depend on whether the plan is realizable.” –Gems
And it is realizable. For one, world support makes the science happen faster
, and we can make the world support happen faster. Then another great example is, as outlined by ‘longevity escape velocity
', (discussion here
) we only need to live long enough for the first life extending breakthroughs to get us through the next couple of decades until the next breakthroughs arrive and so on.
“Why should we be defining humans in terms of our limitations rather than by our ability to supersede our limitations?” –Kurzweil
Ah, what a beautiful point. Ackerman quotes this in this book.
Ackerman outlined that its P. Singer (I wasn’t sure who outlined this before) who talks about over population not being an issue because people have kids spread out more over time, and that under population may even become a problem.
A lot of deathists and pro aging trancists say things like that this isn’t natural, we are playing god, they will never let us take away the ability to have kids, we must let the unborn have a chance, etc…The book goes over how there is the option to choose: have kids, or get therapies. I think this notion is yet to pervade the discussions with the deathists and trancists enough. I mean, that’s it in a nut shell right there isn’t it? And we can always have a small part of the population reproducing to keep it going, and to keep some kids around for a variety of reasons, and stuff like that. We will also need them to fill in the continued death rate, which we wont get to vanish over night, if ever.
We need Ackerman around here. I wonder if she would be willing to structure and add some formatting to the philosophy section. She could perhaps consider having students write papers that we give awards to, and we would publish them here. She could consider heading up a bi monthly round table in the chat or something like that, and we could save it in the philosophy forum, or something like that. There are many beneficial possibilities in a union that can help this cause continue on its exponential acceleration towards world wide support, and the research breakthroughs that can get us to the goal of indefinite healthy life extension for all.
I cant wait for this interview. This has rekindled my great passion for the benefits that the philosophy of indefinite life extension provide.