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[Diego55]

Hi, I am suffering from severe social phobia for many years. I have tried many SSRI's / SNRI's drugs and supplements, therapies... but nothing works for me.

I would like to try MAOI's such as Nardil / Parnate(i know all about the interactions and diet restriction). Please, Are there any sites in Europe where can I buy/order Nardil/Parnate w/o prescription(at an affordable price) ?

Thanks a lot.

Mike

Edited by Diego55, 11 February 2010 - 02:48 PM.

[KimberCT]

United Pharmacies used to carry it. If you click the contact us link, they may be able to special order some for you. They've done so for me quite a few times.

http://www.unitedpha...hp?productid=38

They're in Hong Kong, but they ship worldwide.

Edited by KimberCT, 11 February 2010 - 10:21 PM.

[medievil]

Google pharmacy geoff, received without problem. They have parnate.

[KimberCT]

Google pharmacy geoff, received without problem. They have parnate.

FYI, Pharmacy Geoff and United Pharmacies are the same.

[OneScrewLoose]

Have you tried novel drugs like Buspar?

[medievil]

Have you tried novel drugs like Buspar?

Buspar is the worst possible garbage for social anxiety.

[OneScrewLoose]

Have you tried novel drugs like Buspar?

Buspar is the worst possible garbage for social anxiety.

BS, this thing varies between people. It did wonders for my social anxiety at high doses, but had the unfortunate side-effect of turning me into a negitive thinker. Really weird, cause no matter the situation I am always the type of person who finds that silver lining. I had to get off it, but it helped me with social anxiety.

[medievil]

Have you tried novel drugs like Buspar?

Buspar is the worst possible garbage for social anxiety.

BS, this thing varies between people. It did wonders for my social anxiety at high doses, but had the unfortunate side-effect of turning me into a negitive thinker. Really weird, cause no matter the situation I am always the type of person who finds that silver lining. I had to get off it, but it helped me with social anxiety.

For most ppl it doesnt work at all, your part of a small minority that finds buspar usefull. Its a flawed med anyway due to its metabolite being a dopamine antagonist, maybe that explains your side effect.

Edited by medievil, 11 February 2010 - 11:37 PM.

[OneScrewLoose]

Have you tried novel drugs like Buspar?

Buspar is the worst possible garbage for social anxiety.

BS, this thing varies between people. It did wonders for my social anxiety at high doses, but had the unfortunate side-effect of turning me into a negitive thinker. Really weird, cause no matter the situation I am always the type of person who finds that silver lining. I had to get off it, but it helped me with social anxiety.

For most ppl it doesnt work at all, your part of a small minority that finds buspar usefull. Its a flawed med anyway due to its metabolite being a dopamine antagonist, maybe that explains your side effect.

Maybe it doesn't work for most people but I think things like these are worth a shot before using MAOIs.

[medievil]

Have you tried novel drugs like Buspar?

Buspar is the worst possible garbage for social anxiety.

BS, this thing varies between people. It did wonders for my social anxiety at high doses, but had the unfortunate side-effect of turning me into a negitive thinker. Really weird, cause no matter the situation I am always the type of person who finds that silver lining. I had to get off it, but it helped me with social anxiety.

For most ppl it doesnt work at all, your part of a small minority that finds buspar usefull. Its a flawed med anyway due to its metabolite being a dopamine antagonist, maybe that explains your side effect.

Maybe it doesn't work for most people but I think things like these are worth a shot before using MAOIs.

No, he tried all kinds of SSRI's, its time to move on IMO.

Edited by medievil, 12 February 2010 - 12:36 PM.

[OneScrewLoose]

Buspar is not an SSRI. That's what I meant by novel drugs, drugs that don't fit in your typical drug catagories.

If for some reason you havn't tried tricyclics, then I recommend doing so before MAOIs, but you probably already have.

[medievil]

Buspar is not an SSRI. That's what I meant by novel drugs, drugs that don't fit in your typical drug catagories.

If for some reason you havn't tried tricyclics, then I recommend doing so before MAOIs, but you probably already have.

I know its not a SSRI, but the fail rate is soo big with that med thats not even wort a try.
Ant tricyclics have way too many side effects.

Why are you so against MAOI's? They are VERY effective for social anxiety and being safely prescribed, the fear against them is unfounded and leads to ppl not finding a good treatment.

MAOI's are WAY underprescribed.

[KimberCT]

Buspar is not an SSRI. That's what I meant by novel drugs, drugs that don't fit in your typical drug catagories.

If for some reason you havn't tried tricyclics, then I recommend doing so before MAOIs, but you probably already have.

I know its not a SSRI, but the fail rate is soo big with that med thats not even wort a try.
Ant tricyclics have way too many side effects.

Why are you so against MAOI's? They are VERY effective for social anxiety and being safely prescribed, the fear against them is unfounded and leads to ppl not finding a good treatment.

MAOI's are WAY underprescribed.

I've seriously considered switching to an MAOI as well.  SSRI + tricyclic currently does a good job keeping my panic disorder in check, but the side effects are awful.


I'd want to try phenelzine, however, which I have not been able to find online.

[OneScrewLoose]

MAOIs have more side-effects than Tricyclics. MAOIs are a last resort and should be treated as such, as they can be brain-chaning.

I would also give Lamictal a shot. Helped me with anxiety/social anxiety.

[medievil]

MAOIs have more side-effects than Tricyclics. MAOIs are a last resort and should be treated as such, as they can be brain-chaning.

I would also give Lamictal a shot. Helped me with anxiety/social anxiety.

Thats not true, tricyclics have FAR more side effect then MAOI's. What do you mean with "brain changing" id agree in the way of being TREMENDOUSLY effective, but i assume thats not what you mean.

[medievil]

Buspar is not an SSRI. That's what I meant by novel drugs, drugs that don't fit in your typical drug catagories.

If for some reason you havn't tried tricyclics, then I recommend doing so before MAOIs, but you probably already have.

I know its not a SSRI, but the fail rate is soo big with that med thats not even wort a try.
Ant tricyclics have way too many side effects.

Why are you so against MAOI's? They are VERY effective for social anxiety and being safely prescribed, the fear against them is unfounded and leads to ppl not finding a good treatment.

MAOI's are WAY underprescribed.

I've seriously considered switching to an MAOI as well.  SSRI + tricyclic currently does a good job keeping my panic disorder in check, but the side effects are awful.


I'd want to try phenelzine, however, which I have not been able to find online.

Years ago ive been looking for nardil online for weeks, never found it unfortionally, wich is a shame as its the gold standard for SA.

Currently i'm trying other things first (stimulants+memantine) for social anxiety, if that doesnt work out, may give nardil a try in the future.

[KimberCT]

MAOIs have more side-effects than Tricyclics. MAOIs are a last resort and should be treated as such, as they can be brain-chaning.

I would also give Lamictal a shot. Helped me with anxiety/social anxiety.

How much do you take? I've been considering trying lamotrigine as a replacement for my TCA.  Some of those rare anticonvulsant side effects are downright scary though.

Years ago ive been looking for nardil online for weeks, never found it unfortionally, wich is a shame as its the gold standard for SA.

Currently i'm trying other things first (stimulants+memantine) for social anxiety, if that doesnt work out, may give nardil a try in the future.

Yeah, I don't know why it's so rare.  Even my local pharmacy doesn't carry it.

[medievil]

Arent you on memantine? There's nothing lamictal can do that memantine cant do IMO.

[KimberCT]

Arent you on memantine? There's nothing lamictal can do that memantine cant do IMO.

Yeah, I worked my way up to 20mg over a few months.  I'm a huge fan of memantine.


I'll move Lamictal to the bottom of my list of drugs to experiment with.

[medievil]

Arent you on memantine? There's nothing lamictal can do that memantine cant do IMO.

Yeah, I worked my way up to 20mg over a few months.  I'm a huge fan of memantine.


I'll move Lamictal to the bottom of my list of drugs to experiment with.

Yeah i'm also a huge memantine fan, this stuff is usefull for soo many things, as a mood stabiliser it blows all other out of the water without any of the stupidity side effects.

[OneScrewLoose]

MAOIs have more side-effects than Tricyclics. MAOIs are a last resort and should be treated as such, as they can be brain-chaning.

I would also give Lamictal a shot. Helped me with anxiety/social anxiety.

How much do you take? I've been considering trying lamotrigine as a replacement for my TCA. Some of those rare anticonvulsant side effects are downright scary though.

I take 125mg, 75 in the day and 50 at night (I seem to metabolize it faster than most people). It helps somewhat with the feeling of anxiety, a lot of it is still there, but it removes most of the physical expression of this anxiety, so that when I get anxious my body isn't in pain or shaking or looking akward, it's just an internal experience. Also, I normally have pretty bad mood swings, and this has stabilized it enough where I have really been able to grow as a person instead of running around in the same thought loops.

The Stephen-Johnson's side-effect doesn't occur in an instant. The rash slowly builds up over days, so you have to be pretty dumb to get seriously injured from it. The side effect profile of Lamictal is lower than any other mood stabilizer. About 10% of people experience some sort of rash, but this can usually be avoided by titrating up very slowly (I took almost 2 months to get to 175mg and then went back down). The best side-effect of Lamictal however, was the perception of colors. The world became absolutely gorgeous, in a way I had never seen before. This went away when I went on Amitriptyline, I would guess because of 5HT2A antagonism, but I am looking for a way to get off it. I could just stare outside for 10 minutes at a time looking at the trees in my window on a bright sunny day...

Why would you say that Memantine can do everything Lamictal can? Seems to work by different mechanisms. Please link to evidence showing mood stabilization, I'm interested.

[yoyo]

I've been on tranylcypromine and nortriptyline, and neither had side effects as bad as sris. tranylcypromine was great for depression, but i had low libido for 1-2 weeks. after a month 0 side effects. nort give me a bit of dry mouth. it helps with motivation and concentration. i'm taking it currently.

lamotragine has very low side effects, but efficacy is a bit weak.

[OneScrewLoose]

I've been on tranylcypromine and nortriptyline, and neither had side effects as bad as sris. tranylcypromine was great for depression, but i had low libido for 1-2 weeks. after a month 0 side effects. nort give me a bit of dry mouth. it helps with motivation and concentration. i'm taking it currently.

lamotragine has very low side effects, but efficacy is a bit weak.

Efficacy is a bit weak for Type 1 Bipolar, and it's therefore used in conunction with other mood stabalizers. It can be pretty effective for other things though.

[Diego55]

help me please, Which option should I choose :

Parnate 10mg 50 tablets US$ 55.00
Nardil 15mg 100 tablets US$ 144.00

[KimberCT]

help me please, Which option should I choose :

Parnate 10mg 50 tablets US$ 55.00
Nardil 15mg 100 tablets US$ 144.00

I'd go for the Nardil.  Where'd you find them?

[OneScrewLoose]

If u go through with this, I want to hear how it goes. Keep posting.

[Diego55]

help me please, Which option should I choose :

Parnate 10mg 50 tablets US$ 55.00
Nardil 15mg 100 tablets US$ 144.00

I'd go for the Nardil. Where'd you find them?

Do you think, that Nardil is much more effective for treatment social phobia, depression than Parnate ? I'd like to order Nardil but unfortunately Nardil will be much more expensive(at daily doses) than Parnate.

Nardi at a dose of 60mg per day will be enough only for 50 days and cost $ 288.

[Diego55]

I'd go for the Nardil. Where'd you find them?

qhi . co . uk, so if you are interested, you have to ask them.

[OneScrewLoose]

Nardil is the gold standard for social anxiety. Parnate is used more for OCD.

[yoyo]

Nardil is the gold standard for social anxiety. Parnate is used more for OCD.

hm, nardil is more serotonergic so i'd think it'd be better for OCD. parnate is good for quick response, lower side effects, low energy