I've never once "denied" that the traditional delivery system works; only mentioned that there are other options which seem to have various advantages. I haven't made assertions of any kind with regard to curcumin, let alone negative ones (posting links to previous discussions is not an argument).
It's not that you're just offering options, it's that you're denying the claim that the traditional delivery works, while offering up alternatives which capsulize the traditional delivery system. If you have some evidence that what I'm saying isn't true, post it up.
The option you present may be viable, so I feel no need to argue it with you. But I would have to research it more, as you haven't presented any kind of evidence for the opinions you present as fact.
I'm getting really sick of you picking fights with me over things I haven't even said, and making inane arguments to prove that my "position" is absurd. It's unbelievably unreasonable.
@Anthony: Thanks for those references. Do you have access to the two unpublished bioavailability reports? A brief summary of their findings would be great (sorry if this has been posted elsewhere).
Also, I'm wondering if you have any data/speculation regarding the final bioavailability of the BCM-95 after your own changes and delivery system. I'm interested more in taking a well-defined smaller amount than getting the most possible.
Just like I'm sick of you accrediting my opinion to some flight of imagination.
The information of piperine absorption is widely available. Regarding turmeric absorption, read the thread you posted. LEF's super-bioperine document has this info:http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2007/oct2007_report_curcumin_01.htm.
Patent of various phopholipid-containing curcumin extraction, discusses in some detail benefit of phopholipids for absorption, no images available however: http://www.faqs.org/...app/20090131373
Fat is widely known to enhance the absorption of curcumin, which is why I recommend it.
Patent stating that 1)(indirecetly)extraction process dissolves turmeric essential oils leading to poor bioavailability and 2)retaining these oils enhances absorption:http://www.faqs.org/...app/20080226755
"Curcumin and the volatile oils of curcumin are mixed and blended to get a uniform product. If small percentages (˜5%) of the essential oil of turmeric are added to the curcuminoid, then the bioavailability of curcumin is significantly enhanced. Accordingly, a composition of curcuminoid admixed with a suitable proportion of ar-turmerone (the main component of the turmeric essential oil) is provided. "
Turmeric, unprocessed has a ~5% average essential oil content http://www.chemlin.d...on_in_Sindh.pdf
although this is highly variable. This combined with curcumin % variability is why choosing the right rhizome variety is important.
Why am I citing patents? Because it is more difficult to find non-commercial-interest work that tests plasma curcumin concentrations and compares various preparations. The vast majority of work is done by for-profit corporations. The rest just know better than to try suck down 95% pure curcuminoids on an empty stomach.
Since turmeric contains more than 100 compounds, and seems to work in regular dietary use, it is quite possible that some of the other substances are synergistic with curcumin, either enhancing absorption or synergizing effects, Tumerin is one of those: http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/1731625
So let's do this from now on. Before you make big claims about how unreasonable, or unsupported my position is, post some evidence corroborating your opinion. Everything I post is rooted in or (extrapolated from) the vast amount of literature I've processed. I don't have the time to field every request for thesis level evidence, so I'm shifting that burden to you.