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#1 christianbber

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 08:36 PM


Reading the user comments from these two sites. It seems like abstinence may produce greater feelings of clarity and motivation.

http://www.reuniting.../0.BENEFITS.pdf

http://themodernsava...tracting-women/


The clarity is pretty noticeable if you have been in a fog
for a while. I would encourage anyone who happens to be reading this to
abstain for a full 3 weeks to fully get the benefits from this exercise. It seems
like most people note these same changes; this has been my experience as
well.



I have to say it's been a very long time since I've
had such a decent period of mental and spiritual clarity. I felt much more
aware and at peace with myself over time.


more pleasant and lucid social experiences and clarity of thought


I actually may try pushing that
back even longer as I did start to see some definite changes in mood, overall
physical health, mental clarity, emotional control


y, I think more clearly, and act more efficiently and my focus LASTS. I can
follow through, solve problems, even multiple things in a row for extended
periods of time



I also noticed a wee jump in my energy and ability to focus



Edited by christianbber, 20 September 2011 - 08:43 PM.

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 12:35 AM

Tantric yoga, a practice of delaying and prolonging orgasm, for the purpose of achieving mental clarity. But the classic texts as translated in the 19th century by Sir Richard Francis Burton called for the practice to be done with a partner.
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 01:17 AM

Just eat a ham sandwich.
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 01:35 AM

I'm a prolific masturbator and I think my cognition is pretty good.
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 02:21 AM

Just like any other nootropic, experiment with it. Try abstaining from all masturbation for a month without making any other changes to your routine and see if it has any effect on you.
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 05:29 AM

This practice is a bit hard ot implement while taking a racetam, for me anyway. I find that my libidio increases significantly -- although, this is if I so choose as the libido seems to have become active based on conscious choice. So, maybe I can practice this after all!
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 08:52 AM

funny thread. I thought the racetams would make you more verbal fluent en more self confidence. I dont see why this wouldnt help with your self confidence and you become a master pickup artist in no time (if you wanted to) :cool:
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 11:51 AM

I tried absolute celibacy in my early 20s for about five months (religious reasons now transcended). Abstinence did have an effect, besides simple horniness. Things did become very clear, almost vibrating with clarity. Was it worth it? No, not unless your whole focus was fixated on that level of clarity. Breaking the "fast" was quite an experience, though.
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 01:30 PM

I tried absolute celibacy in my early 20s for about five months (religious reasons now transcended). Abstinence did have an effect, besides simple horniness. Things did become very clear, almost vibrating with clarity. Was it worth it? No, not unless your whole focus was fixated on that level of clarity. Breaking the "fast" was quite an experience, though.


Would you mind elaborating on this? This is interesting.

When did you notice these profound changes? Can you describe this "vibrating with clarity" phenomenon?

Thanks.
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#10 christianbber

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 02:04 PM


I tried absolute celibacy in my early 20s for about five months (religious reasons now transcended). Abstinence did have an effect, besides simple horniness. Things did become very clear, almost vibrating with clarity. Was it worth it? No, not unless your whole focus was fixated on that level of clarity. Breaking the "fast" was quite an experience, though.


Would you mind elaborating on this? This is interesting.

When did you notice these profound changes? Can you describe this "vibrating with clarity" phenomenon?

Thanks.


I did an experiment on my own. Since I was 15 I haven't gone longer than 4 days.

This past week was the first week Ive actually held out strong and although it was a horrible experience my academic performence was ALOT better.

I was reading entire articles rather then reading the first few paragraphs then stopping.

I got more interested in other subjects reas of life. I had more aggression not only physically but mentally. Like a mental craving that I needed to exercise.

Last night I had a friend came over and although the cognitive benefits are nice, no way am I going to pass on a 20 yr old girl who weighs 115lbs. :)

I'm going to try and hold out as long as I can starting today.


Also I'm wondering if there is a physiological difference between sex and masturbation ?
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 02:46 PM

Maybe the "vibrating with clarity" is a bit poetic, but the abstinence led to a pervasive erotic lustre that surrounded everything--erotic in the more classical sense of "desirable" or "desired", rather than the modern "sexual". Everything became an object of intense interest, even the dry tomes I was studying at the time. There was a non-specific, general "energy" that made everything (cleaning to eating to walking to learning) rewarding, more interesting, more "alive". (Maybe a dopamine response of some sort?)

Many didactic traditions enjoin celibacy upon those engaged in heavy-duty mindwork. I've always thought of it as a simple moral/ethical proscription, but maybe there's sound neurochemistry behind it too.

Five months was a long time (forever for a 21 year old). The effects, as I recall, started after a few weeks of near-intolerable horniness. The sexual urges diminished somewhat, then everything else sort of "lit up".

Worth it? It depends, I suppose.
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 02:48 PM



I tried absolute celibacy in my early 20s for about five months (religious reasons now transcended). Abstinence did have an effect, besides simple horniness. Things did become very clear, almost vibrating with clarity. Was it worth it? No, not unless your whole focus was fixated on that level of clarity. Breaking the "fast" was quite an experience, though.


Would you mind elaborating on this? This is interesting.

When did you notice these profound changes? Can you describe this "vibrating with clarity" phenomenon?

Thanks.


I did an experiment on my own. Since I was 15 I haven't gone longer than 4 days.

This past week was the first week Ive actually held out strong and although it was a horrible experience my academic performence was ALOT better.

I was reading entire articles rather then reading the first few paragraphs then stopping.

I got more interested in other subjects reas of life. I had more aggression not only physically but mentally. Like a mental craving that I needed to exercise.

Last night I had a friend came over and although the cognitive benefits are nice, no way am I going to pass on a 20 yr old girl who weighs 115lbs. :)

I'm going to try and hold out as long as I can starting today.


Also I'm wondering if there is a physiological difference between sex and masturbation ?


Interesting!

This seems to hold quite a lot of promise in terms of mental clarity and attention.

But is mostly due simply to people being less distracted?

And I'm wondering the same thing you are regarding sex vs. masturbation. Are we talking about abstaining from masturbation, or abstaining from sexual activity altogether?
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#13 nito

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 03:13 PM

I do it chronically and have done so for many years. Session can last from 3 and 6 hours at it's worst! Sometimes i have this headache which feels like something is pushing against my head from two sides. Every stroke i take to masturbate, this pressure increases, if i stop stroking it's gone. It's painful as hell and it's so weird my stroking can trigger it. The longest i have gone was 12 days into my depression. It does affect my academic work hugely as i am constantly watching porn late night and subsequently turning up late the next day. A few weeks back i did 10 days and must agree with above poster that things was more lovingly rather than sexual. I also felt more productive and clearheaded in my arguments.
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Posted 21 September 2011 - 04:39 PM

This is all new.....

Unless..... does anyone know of a study where they measured cognition during " masturbation time" and abstinence ?

Maybe the catholic church funded one ? :)
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Posted 23 September 2011 - 09:13 PM

20 years old and 115lbs you say?

*fap* *fap* *FAP* *FAP* *FAP FAP FAP*

ahhhh.........
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Posted 24 September 2011 - 02:02 AM

I'm on Day 4.

This is hell.
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Posted 24 September 2011 - 03:09 AM

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I must agree it is hell, and I want to follow through so badly. Let me tell you guys, I read in the Taoism, that if you lose your fluids it drains your life force. I just have not been able to shake it off as just superstition, I am terribly afraid it may be true.

Here is my experience.

When I first tried a high quality of rhodiola, it sent me into a full blown manic altered state for about 4 or 5 days. I was under intense stress to write a paper I had put off for 3 months. Well I went from being brain dead and stupid, to having overwhelming creativity. I have never felt more alive and creative in my life. It was like what I hear psilocybin or LSD induced value changing experiences to be. So I started writing this paper when I was in this altered state. This paper was a ridiculous 13000 word paper, over economics, probably the most brilliant thing I will ever write. It was an approach against modern global economics and industrial scale of economies. I took a lot of paradign influences from Orwell, Huxely, Krugman, Bill Mckibben, etc.. so forth, hence it was a very "radical" libertarian (not liberal) paper over global macroeconmics and sociology. This is the kind of thing you write when as you say.


"Maybe the "vibrating with clarity" is a bit poetic, but the abstinence led to a pervasive erotic lustre that surrounded everything--erotic in the more classical sense of "desirable" or "desired", rather than the modern "sexual". Everything became an object of intense interest, even the dry tomes I was studying at the time"


I was EXTREMELY horny during this period of 4 or 5 days, but I probably went 8 days leading up to the "breaking" point, of absitence, I was not trying to abstain, but I was just so distracted with writing. I broke this fast, and let me tell you, the "crash" after that was the most intense crash I think I have ever experienced. I do not know if I have ever felt such a feeling of the life draining out of me from so high to so low. Fortunately I had not developed this god for saken tolerance to rhodiola just yet, and I worked myself back into a slightly less frenzied state over another course of 8 days of abstinence from sexual activity. In this, I was able to finish most of the paper. (In the end the last 20 percent of the paper required the abuse of endless amounts of caffeine and sugar). I am pretty sure I killed major brain cells writing this paper. It was probably worth it though.



This is how you perceive the world when you have full control. That is why I desire so badly that feeling. That is why I so badly have an interest in nootropics.

I have an intense interest in science and changing the world, I already see things so differently from the people around me, and feel like my mind is trapped by its illness.

If i just KNEW with CERTAINTY, abstinence could give me back my mental clarity, and that it was not some other illness, I do not think all the sex and hedonism in the world would be worth what I could do with my mind.

If I had my mind, and had full control of my health, I would be a very influental charismatic person. Perhaps you could be too.

Edited by sam7777, 24 September 2011 - 03:10 AM.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 08:56 PM

Yeah, same with me. I wonder why that is. There was a girl here who mentioned the same thing.

This practice is a bit hard ot implement while taking a racetam, for me anyway. I find that my libidio increases significantly -- although, this is if I so choose as the libido seems to have become active based on conscious choice. So, maybe I can practice this after all!


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Posted 25 September 2011 - 12:59 AM

Maybe the "vibrating with clarity" is a bit poetic, but the abstinence led to a pervasive erotic lustre that surrounded everything--erotic in the more classical sense of "desirable" or "desired", rather than the modern "sexual". Everything became an object of intense interest, even the dry tomes I was studying at the time. There was a non-specific, general "energy" that made everything (cleaning to eating to walking to learning) rewarding, more interesting, more "alive". (Maybe a dopamine response of some sort?)

Many didactic traditions enjoin celibacy upon those engaged in heavy-duty mindwork. I've always thought of it as a simple moral/ethical proscription, but maybe there's sound neurochemistry behind it too.

Five months was a long time (forever for a 21 year old). The effects, as I recall, started after a few weeks of near-intolerable horniness. The sexual urges diminished somewhat, then everything else sort of "lit up".

Worth it? It depends, I suppose.


And this is just from abstinence, right. We're not even talking any serious nootropic regimen here, are we?

Pretty astounding.
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Posted 25 September 2011 - 02:11 AM

For what its worth, I went two weeks without yanking it ending this past thursday, and before I ended the fast I definitely felt more vibrant, confident, and clearheaded. Yesterday and today I just haven't been able to shore up as much mental ability to organize how I work on my stuff at school, communicate, etc I had before I decompressed.

I plan on abstaining for a month just to see if everything really does get an added sheen to it.
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Posted 25 September 2011 - 02:14 AM

I'm on Day 4.

This is hell.


Be with people as much as possible, for any reason. Just don't give yourself an oppurtunity to fold.
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Posted 25 September 2011 - 02:46 AM

I don't think there's any value in refraining from masturbation unless the person does it addictively. Then therapy would be needed.

Refraining from consuming pornography, strip clubs, etc. would be a good idea. They create unrealistic ideas and generally have a destructive effect on society.

Beyond that, there's no value in abstaining from this activity. I think that's religious propaganda.

But some of you might want to get girlfriends.
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Posted 25 September 2011 - 02:56 AM

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I don't think there's any value in refraining from masturbation unless the person does it addictively. Then therapy would be needed.

Refraining from consuming pornography, strip clubs, etc. would be a good idea. They create unrealistic ideas and generally have a destructive effect on society.

Beyond that, there's no value in abstaining from this activity. I think that's religious propaganda.

But some of you might want to get girlfriends.


Pretty closed minded (and slightly rude) opinion. Considering all the "positive" reviews this approach has gotten in regards to cognition and lifestyle, why wouldn't it be reasonable to give it a try. Not like it's gonna kill you to abstain from masturbation for a few days/weeks.
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Posted 25 September 2011 - 03:23 AM

I didn't say I hadn't tried it, and for more than a few days. I just don't think there's any value to it.

I think that disciplining your body too much can be harmful. I believe that trying to lift above strong physical needs is destructive.

There is a history to certain religious teachings in this area that goes back thousands of years. I think that on the whole they are destructive. Some may think that their bodies are just chemical experiments, or something to be transcended, but experience teaches otherwise. There is a destructive spirit that wants us to ignore, discipline, or transcend our bodies. I think that impressionable young people should hear a counter-agrument to that viewpoint.

As far as positive "reviews" I just don't put a lot of substance there. In our oversexualized environment, abstaining from looking at certain materials may be beneficial. I lived quite a while before we got so pornified, and men were better able to concentrate and behave properly. Generally, after a while though, people with no sexual outlet get distracted and pent up.

Edited by Luminosity, 25 September 2011 - 03:53 AM.

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 09:31 PM

Better in the belly of a whore, right? Jk, jk... that's a saying taken way out of context, indirectly from scripture (story of Onan).

Anyhow, I can testify that self abstinence is indeed a fine way to unshrowd your mind. I find that I get more attention from the ladies as well. Probably a projection of the psychological self-confidence of freedom. It takes about 3 days to get the bulk of the effect, and about two weeks to get the full effect.

The "effect" is a lot more energy, self control, and positiveness. Consequently, a brighter mood, more focus, more wit, and more charm.

For those who are Biblical people, in ancient Judaism, the act of masturbation was regarded as benign as a woman's period (see Leviticus 15) or even ejaculation during intercourse (15:8). This made a man ceremonially unclean, which meant that although it is not regarded as a "sin" which is a voluntary transgression against God, it was considered unfit for ceremonies... as sort of a "respectful" thing. An unclean person cannot enter "sanctioned" places, though it is not their fault, they are required to respect the cleanliness of the atmosphere. This holds a little less weight since burnt offerings are no longer a mandatory ceremony.

Still, "unclean" holds some weight. It means your body has betrayed your cleanliness.
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Posted 27 September 2011 - 11:35 PM

This "clarity," does it come from abstaining from the final orgasm/ejaculation, or the act of preventing an erection at all possible times? As in, can you cheat the system by avoiding climax and still achieve higher 'mental fidelity'? Curious about the neurological implications.

Tantric yoga, a practice of delaying and prolonging orgasm, for the purpose of achieving mental clarity. But the classic texts as translated in the 19th century by Sir Richard Francis Burton called for the practice to be done with a partner.


Edited by blake12, 27 September 2011 - 11:38 PM.

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#27 Neurotik

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 02:03 AM

This "clarity," does it come from abstaining from the final orgasm/ejaculation, or the act of preventing an erection at all possible times? As in, can you cheat the system by avoiding climax and still achieve higher 'mental fidelity'? Curious about the neurological implications.

Tantric yoga, a practice of delaying and prolonging orgasm, for the purpose of achieving mental clarity. But the classic texts as translated in the 19th century by Sir Richard Francis Burton called for the practice to be done with a partner.


Excellent question. Seconded.
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 02:44 PM

This "clarity," does it come from abstaining from the final orgasm/ejaculation, or the act of preventing an erection at all possible times? As in, can you cheat the system by avoiding climax and still achieve higher 'mental fidelity'? Curious about the neurological implications.


Getting an erection is really good for testosterone production, so I try to have at least one a day. It does not effect this clarity at all, in my opinion. The "fog" seems to be from an over-stimulation of oxytocin which in males, mostly comes from the orgasm. Females as well, but the entire sexual experience (with self too?) releases oxytocin more steadily for females.

Okay to be horny, not okay to please oneself. That ruins the effect.
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 04:22 PM

Ah, I see. So the goal here is to prevent higher levels of oxytocin. Shame :(

"Murphy et al. (1987), studying men, found that oxytocin levels were raised throughout sexual arousal and there was no acute increase at orgasm.[12] A more recent study of men found an increase in plasma oxytocin immediately after orgasm, but only in a portion of their sample that did not reach statistical significance. The authors noted that these changes "may simply reflect contractile properties on reproductive tissue."[13]"

Edited by blake12, 28 September 2011 - 04:24 PM.

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 05:27 PM

Had to put in my $.02

I think everyone is different...masturbation doesn't cause a fogginess for me, but I can't speak for everyone else. I think a little more clearer with regular masturbation. But in all honesty, I've never done an experiment where I abstained from masturbating, either. So I can't really compare.

That may be something I might try one day...but with all the health benefits of regular masturbation, why go without it? It reduces stress, it's fun, and it's good for the body :)
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