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#1 Junk Master

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 01:57 PM


Anyone else getting occasional dark spots, or green tracers in bright sunlight? Also, anyone else seem to have more active peripheral vision? Notice movements that prove illusory when you turn your head? Also, I seem to be having more trouble than usual focusing at shorter distances, though sadly that could just be age (45).

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:10 PM

Anyone else getting occasional dark spots, or green tracers in bright sunlight? Also, anyone else seem to have more active peripheral vision? Notice movements that prove illusory when you turn your head? Also, I seem to be having more trouble than usual focusing at shorter distances, though sadly that could just be age (45).


Now this is interesting. Since you mentioned it I held up fingers in my peripheral vision and found that I could see them rather more distinctly than in the past. I know that's not what you meant by "active" but perhaps a greater sensitivity is producing this effect?

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:12 PM

my vision is unchanged

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:13 PM

I thought it was my imagination, but numerous occasions recently I thought I saw something out of the corner of my eye and turned but nothing was there....was starting to think I was losing it....interesting.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:20 PM

Also, anyone else seem to have more active peripheral vision? Notice movements that prove illusory when you turn your head?


This is what the beginning of posterior vitreous detachment/syneresis of the vitreous humor is like. I know from experience, unfortunately. You are at about the age where that may start to happen (same as mine). It is not usually a serious problem but go to an ophthalmologist if this gets any worse, since in a minority of cases it can lead to a retinal detachment, which requires urgent intervention to save your eyesight.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 07:30 PM

Hebbeh's description hits it on the nose as well. I've never had any symptoms before c60/OO. It hasn't happened on a regular basis either.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 07:50 PM

I thought it was my imagination, but numerous occasions recently I thought I saw something out of the corner of my eye and turned but nothing was there....was starting to think I was losing it....interesting.


Same here. Seemed to be more frequent a while ago. But, I have noticed pronounced visual snow once recently, and went so far as to visit the ophthalmologist (childhood friend, actually) about scintillating scotomas also quite recently. No retinal pathology. These phenomenon still come and go now, but I try not to pay too much attention to them.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:33 PM

I thought it was my imagination, but numerous occasions recently I thought I saw something out of the corner of my eye and turned but nothing was there....was starting to think I was losing it....interesting.


Don't be too sure nothing was there. A flash of white blending into the background... a whiff of chloroform... swirling lights... This could be an enforcement agent of the FDA.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:50 PM

I thought it was my imagination, but numerous occasions recently I thought I saw something out of the corner of my eye and turned but nothing was there....was starting to think I was losing it....interesting.


Don't be too sure nothing was there. A flash of white blending into the background... a whiff of chloroform... swirling lights... This could be an enforcement agent of the FDA.


No wonder I couldn't move my arms when I came around.....it's all starting to make sense ;-)

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 12:08 AM

I thought it was my imagination, but numerous occasions recently I thought I saw something out of the corner of my eye and turned but nothing was there....was starting to think I was losing it....interesting.


Don't be too sure nothing was there. A flash of white blending into the background... a whiff of chloroform... swirling lights... This could be an enforcement agent of the FDA.


So C60 really is a hallucinogen...
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:07 PM

Still noticing some enhanced peripheral phenomenon, for lack of a better word. I'm wondering if it could confirm the proposed mechanism of immediate strength gain: better neuronal firing, or better flow of calcium ions.

I've also noticed the occasional black spot and green tracer, but it has been very sunny here, so I'll chalk them up to being more body conscious because of the new supp.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 03:21 AM

I just got a new drivers license a few days ago and had to take the vision test which included a peripheral vision test. Picking out which side a green light was blinking. My recollection was I had trouble with that last time I took it a bunch of years ago. Not this time. Definitely was easier to pick out.

Also got new glasses after taking c60/evoo a month. Vision improved over my last exam 1 year earlier. Pretty sure that's not a c60 effect however. Because this is the 3rd year in a row that's happened. My doctor told me last year that improvement in vision of nearsighted people in their early 60's is not unusual as they gradually get more farsighted. Don't think applies to peripheral vision, however.

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 04:35 PM

I have exceedingly good eyesight in general - better than 20/20, etc.  

 

When I have been taking 1mg a day or so - on the high side - I find it more difficult to focus on close/very small tasks.

 

I first noticed this when I was using my OED - I have one of those full versions in two volumes, with 16 pages per page - most everyone requires a magnifying glass.  And I do not.  But very suddenly, not gradually, I was having problems reading this.  

 

So, I took a month off of c60 for a number of reasons.  And my eyesight went back to normal.  

 

Now for the past two weeks I've ramped up again, and wham - I'm having trouble with very small/close things.  

 

 



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Posted 10 September 2014 - 06:54 PM

No meaningful vision changes from c60 at intermittent doses of 2-3mg, 1-2x/week.  If anything I mild improvement in focus - i.e., I can keep vision locked on a single pixel.

 

Totally unfounded conjecture - should be discarded..  Alcohol withdrawal can produce "what was that?" style shadowy hallucinations in the peripheral vision.  If some of you tipple fairly regularly perhaps  we're seeing withdrawal-type effects of the brain getting washed in ethanol followed by rapid elimination.



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Posted 11 September 2014 - 02:36 PM

 

Also, anyone else seem to have more active peripheral vision? Notice movements that prove illusory when you turn your head?


This is what the beginning of posterior vitreous detachment/syneresis of the vitreous humor is like. I know from experience, unfortunately. You are at about the age where that may start to happen (same as mine). It is not usually a serious problem but go to an ophthalmologist if this gets any worse, since in a minority of cases it can lead to a retinal detachment, which requires urgent intervention to save your eyesight.

 

 

Yes, perhaps we're just mistaking normal eye aging with coincidental initiation of a c60oo regimen. But indeed I've had similar symptoms since starting c60oo. Namely, an increase in migrating black spots (floaters, I suppose) which occur differently in each eye. (In any event, an opthalmologist visit seems warranted in light of the above symptoms.) But despite this, ironically, I have experienced a sudden improvement (not sure if that's what the OP meant by "more active") in peripheral vision. This assertion is supported by improvements in my Lumosity Eagle Eye scores since starting c60oo, despite using the same computer monitor located at essentially the same distance from my eyes. This game is a direct test of the angular span and samping rate of peripheral vision. I could dig out my scoring history by date if necessary.

 

As to illusory peripheral vision, I had that problem quite often during my period of dementia. But now, it rarely occurs.


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Posted 18 September 2014 - 10:59 PM

I have exceedingly good eyesight in general - better than 20/20, etc.

When I have been taking 1mg a day or so - on the high side - I find it more difficult to focus on close/very small tasks.

I first noticed this when I was using my OED - I have one of those full versions in two volumes, with 16 pages per page - most everyone requires a magnifying glass. And I do not. But very suddenly, not gradually, I was having problems reading this.

So, I took a month off of c60 for a number of reasons. And my eyesight went back to normal.

Now for the past two weeks I've ramped up again, and wham - I'm having trouble with very small/close things.


Does anyone have any theories about this? It's almost as if my eyes have become lazy. I can focus on the very small text if i want to but i have to consciously do it, which is strange.

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 09:52 PM

 

 

Yes, perhaps we're just mistaking normal eye aging with coincidental initiation of a c60oo regimen. But indeed I've had similar symptoms since starting c60oo. Namely, an increase in migrating black spots (floaters, I suppose) which occur differently in each eye

 

I can report the same experience. Not sure if it is normal aging or not or even if it has anything to do with C60oo  - I am 33 though I am near-sighted for more than 20 years. Does that affect the amount of vitreous floaters?

My prescription has remained pretty stable for the last 4-5 years. I went back (improved by) 0.25 for one of my eyes and deteriorated by 0.25 for the other one at my last eye exam around New Year. I started taking C60oo in May. 



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Posted 02 October 2014 - 02:57 PM

I have exceedingly good eyesight in general - better than 20/20, etc.  

 

When I have been taking 1mg a day or so - on the high side - I find it more difficult to focus on close/very small tasks.

 

I first noticed this when I was using my OED - I have one of those full versions in two volumes, with 16 pages per page - most everyone requires a magnifying glass.  And I do not.  But very suddenly, not gradually, I was having problems reading this.  

 

So, I took a month off of c60 for a number of reasons.  And my eyesight went back to normal.  

 

Now for the past two weeks I've ramped up again, and wham - I'm having trouble with very small/close things.  

 

Confirmed again.  Two weeks ago, I started injecting BPC-157; and at the same time stopped taking C60.  

 

My eyesight has returned to normal - that is, I can easily read the exact same very small print that I could not 3 weeks ago.  

 

Now, the C60 is not fully out of my system; however, I have noticed that the higher the levels of c60 the worse my eyesight became wrt reading, and rapidly improves when I abstain or just take much less.   

 

Don't know how to explain this but by my experience it seems incontrovertible.  



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Posted 02 October 2014 - 11:24 PM

 

I have exceedingly good eyesight in general - better than 20/20, etc.  

 

When I have been taking 1mg a day or so - on the high side - I find it more difficult to focus on close/very small tasks.

 

I first noticed this when I was using my OED - I have one of those full versions in two volumes, with 16 pages per page - most everyone requires a magnifying glass.  And I do not.  But very suddenly, not gradually, I was having problems reading this.  

 

So, I took a month off of c60 for a number of reasons.  And my eyesight went back to normal.  

 

Now for the past two weeks I've ramped up again, and wham - I'm having trouble with very small/close things.  

 

Confirmed again.  Two weeks ago, I started injecting BPC-157; and at the same time stopped taking C60.  

 

My eyesight has returned to normal - that is, I can easily read the exact same very small print that I could not 3 weeks ago.  

 

Now, the C60 is not fully out of my system; however, I have noticed that the higher the levels of c60 the worse my eyesight became wrt reading, and rapidly improves when I abstain or just take much less.   

 

Don't know how to explain this but by my experience it seems incontrovertible.  

 

 

Very curious about Thymosin experiences.

I saw this recently and started wondering if it might have a sublingual pathway...

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19035385

 

 

 

HPLC-ESI-MS analysis of oral human fluids reveals that gingival crevicular fluid is the main source of oral thymosins beta(4) and beta(10).
Abstract

Thymosin beta(4) (Tbeta(4)), its sulfoxide, and thymosin beta(10 )(Tbeta(10)) were detected in human saliva and identified by different strategies based on RP HPLC coupled to electrospray multidimensional IT MS. Tbeta(4 )was almost always detected in whole saliva, its sulfoxide sporadically, Tbeta(10) rarely. Tbeta(4) was undetectable in parotid saliva and less concentrated in submandibular/sublingual saliva than in whole saliva. Analysis of gingival crevicular fluid revealed high relative amounts of Tbeta(4), Tbeta(4) sulfoxide, and Tbeta(10) in all the samples. Tbeta(4) mean concentration was 200 times higher in crevicular fluid (20 micromol/L, N = 9) than in whole saliva (0.1 micromol/L, N = 9). Crevicular fluid concentration of Tbeta(4 )(ca. 5% represented by its sulfoxide) and beta(10 )significantly correlated (r = 0.856; N = 9), and their ratio was about 5. A significant correlation was also observed between Tbeta(4 )concentrations in whole saliva and gingival crevicular fluid (r = 0.738; N = 9). Immunohistochemical analysis of the major salivary glands showed that immunoreactivity for Tbeta(4) is restricted to ductal cells, with minor degree of focal positivity in some acinar cells. On the whole, results indicate that gingival sulcus is a main, although not the sole, source for oral Tbeta(4 )and Tbeta(10).



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Posted 02 October 2014 - 11:58 PM

Hi Zorba, 

 

I am not sure how - or, whether? LOL - your response is related to my post?   :|?



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Posted 03 October 2014 - 12:24 AM

Hi Zorba, 

 

I am not sure how - or, whether? LOL - your response is related to my post?   :|?

 

Well you said you were injecting the long acting version of thymosin beta 4, BPC-157 slight change of subject.



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Posted 03 October 2014 - 12:39 AM

 

Hi Zorba, 

 

I am not sure how - or, whether? LOL - your response is related to my post?   :|?

 

Well you said you were injecting the long acting version of thymosin beta 4, BPC-157 slight change of subject.

 

 

Yes, but I guess I find it a little strange that c60 changing my eyesight isn't responded to, lol.  

 

Anyhoo, what you posted is interesting.  Incidentally, I really like Tb4 too.  



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Posted 03 October 2014 - 01:10 AM

I haven't noticed any obvious change in my vision. My peripheral vision has always been pretty good. I'm hyperopic (farsighted) with a pretty big correction- over 4 diopters. My prescription hasn't changed in quite a while (4-5 years?).

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 02:14 PM

Have not noticed any changes in vision. I know my floaters pretty well and have not noticed them changing.



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Posted 28 February 2015 - 06:49 PM

 

Yes, perhaps we're just mistaking normal eye aging with coincidental initiation of a c60oo regimen. But indeed I've had similar symptoms since starting c60oo. Namely, an increase in migrating black spots (floaters, I suppose) which occur differently in each eye. (In any event, an opthalmologist visit seems warranted in light of the above symptoms.) But despite this, ironically, I have experienced a sudden improvement (not sure if that's what the OP meant by "more active") in peripheral vision. This assertion is supported by improvements in my Lumosity Eagle Eye scores since starting c60oo, despite using the same computer monitor located at essentially the same distance from my eyes. This game is a direct test of the angular span and samping rate of peripheral vision. I could dig out my scoring history by date if necessary.

 

As to illusory peripheral vision, I had that problem quite often during my period of dementia. But now, it rarely occurs.

 

 

For the record, the spots have finally started to subside over the past week, probably due to the initiation of a ketogenic diet, as mentioned in this post.



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Posted 09 March 2015 - 12:50 PM

Bad eye sight often results from a problem called "dry eye". If you sometimes feel some irritation in your eyes that's a sign. You may not produce enough fluids in your eyes.

I had this all the time, but i found a study what you can do against it (http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3874521/). Now i am using a high dosage of fish oil every day (about 4 grams per day) and the situation improved a lot after about 2 months,



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Posted 09 March 2015 - 04:44 PM

I thought it was my imagination, but numerous occasions recently I thought I saw something out of the corner of my eye and turned but nothing was there....was starting to think I was losing it....interesting.

 

Sorry to quote an old post, but glad I am not the only one. :)






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