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[rjfm]

 

 

 

This is why i love science. It just cuts throught the bullshit.

 

Is it NSI-189? NMR it. Is it pure? Do some chromatography technique + likely impurities chemical analysis.

 

Done.

 

Yeah, but was this done? I mean thanks to Strangelove, the testing was done at all and I guess some good effort went into verifying it as well.

 

But from what I can judge, I saw some low-res HLPC image in a PDF, and I don't know the fuck if that confirms anything but some highish purity. I am not an expert on this, I can't interpret it properly. But I know that there is a whole lot of shit to do tests against, than just that.

 

Take fentanyl for example, there could be a hyper-potent byproduct within a 98% pure substance. Or heavy metals, that you have to test separately for. Ok, considering the quantities involved, even mercury would probably not matter that much. 

 

Please correct me if I am wrong, like I said, I am not an expert. But there is more to it, than just running it through a HLPC machine.

 

 

In the real world, not even Ceretropic does that, even at the high prices we pay for their products. Noone have done this before for NSI-189 here or elswhere else... 

 

If you check the equipment used for this analysis is from a company that is a standard in this industry. Its unheard to find heavy metals in this kind of chemical synthesis.

 

Except from this guy with serious neurologic lyme noone else got serious side effects. This is the third time I ask, what is your experience with psychedelics or health/mental health issues, thanks. If you are the only one getting this serious side effects, why should I blame this NSI-189 freebase batch? Feel free to try the recent third party tested phosphate batch or any other source to compare.

 

 

How I should do that when there is no purity standard reference anywhere... The graph shows one chemical in the sample, I am not aware of any kind of impurity that can cause all this list of side effects (that only one got...). Anyone that thinks that its a risk using it, please return it to get a refund.

 

Its like the same thing that happened a few pages back when someone blamed NSI-189 for another chemical he was using. I have reasons to suspect (from couple previous old posts) that NSI-189 can reactivate previous psychedelic use.

 

 

You should think the HPLC purity standart as merely something to back against the retention time and see if it matches. If you have something like NMR or MS to say that it most likely is NSI-189, the chromatography techniques could be done to test for purity only. It's not a real loss, as far as i can see, if you have the other techniques that tell chemical structure. You actually have a MS that sadly i can't read

Edited by rjfm, 22 February 2017 - 04:41 PM.

[Strangelove]

I do not think that anyones doubt that this is NSI-189... I am not going again why this is so. Please read this thread to see what is going on. NMR testing was done from another member a few years back, many members have been using NSI-189 with the same results years now, I am one of these members.

 

Anyone that thinks that can find better deal anywhere (testing, price, feedback) please do so, I am getting a tone of PMs (many with unrelated questions to NSI-189 also) spending a lot of time to make this possible, and honestly these days this is the most I can/will do. I ll probably start selling discounted 5grams sizes only, for those that have good results so far to save some of my time.

[Twindaddy37]

 

I've had an improvement in a neuropathy that had been unchanged for over 1.5 years after 6 weeks of NSI. I took it for my hippocampus, I wasn't expecting this effect.

 

Wait, what?? That's... Unexpected.

 

Usually, NSI-189 CAUSES neuropathic pain - in those of us whom did not have it before taking it - but you're saying it actually HELPS with your neuropathic pain??

Hmm... curious... anyone figure what this could be caused by? Usually neuropathic pain is caused by a nerve-ending becoming deformed in some way, and then sending out unnecessarily many signals - getting stuck on pain-mode - such as from a operation or from an accident.

Or perhaps from Diabetes (I'm not sure why that is... sugar-crystals getting stuck on nerve-endings, and causing damage?).

 

 I also had a complete elimination of nerve pain that i had in my neck for years after a car accident. In fact since starting NSI i feel more pain free overall than i have since i was young. My body feels lighter and more fluid. My response to this drug seem to be different than most. I get absolutely no side effects that i have seen in these forums, particularly not anxiety or tiredness, aside from an eye twitch that lasted a few days that has not returned in 2 months. At baseline i am not an anxious person- NSI makes me feel even more calm and centered. I have been taking it for 3 months without stopping, and my source is strangelove- no complaints here! If i do start getting weird side effects, i stop and move on- this is just the risk i take. I figure I am surrounded by chemicals living in the city, i breathe them in, ingest them, rub them on my skin, get them in the food without my knowledge- whats the difference. I live clean, workout, drink plenty of water, try to eat organic when i can, use the sauna- all things i am in control of to keep my body clean and running at its best. TWO days a week only i take NAC to boost my glutathione levels and get my antioxidants from food sources otherwise. There are things we can do to control our toxic burden. If NSI does not work for you, do not take it, and move on- so many people arguing about purity and side effects and this and that. Guess what, strangelove is the ONLY REPUTABLE cheap source of NSI 189- THANK GOD we have him and thank you strangelove, keep it up buddy! 

Edited by Twindaddy37, 22 February 2017 - 06:44 PM.

[AOLministrator]

Except from this guy with serious neurologic lyme noone else got serious side effects. This is the third time I ask, what is your experience with psychedelics or health/mental health issues, thanks. If you are the only one getting this serious side effects, why should I blame this NSI-189 freebase batch? Feel free to try the recent third party tested phosphate batch or any other source to compare.

 

 

 

Like I said before, I have taken all kinds of [CNS-active] drugs, probably in the hundreds in my life. I don't even know a website, where you could look up a complete list that contains all of them ... from just ordinary medication against health issues I never had, to what you find online in any corner of the internet, in some dark alley and out there in the woods and meadows.

 

Regularly, only piracetam and semi-regularly NSI-189.

 

Like said before, I don't hallucinate from hallucinogens, even in high dosage ... this clearly isn't some remnant fragment of my mind from psychedelic use. Like said in PM, I have experienced similar in the past and sparsely, simply as part of poisoning before. Especially from unclean meth and amphetamine. Again I want to emphasize, that its not really a huge deal. Its just there, when it shouldn't be.

 

Diagnoses I received in my life are multiple substance dependence, drug induced psychosis from heavy GHB withdrawals and Asperger's syndrome.

 

I don't think those really apply anymore at all.

 

 

Short of the assumption that I completely ruined my body and somewhat my brain within half a year, the time that I last took the Cereotropic's NS-189, I can't find myself an alternative explanation for what is clearly happening to me. My liver doesn't complain about heavy drinking for example, suppose the cause is that I destroyed my liver that much. But I snort the freebase and it immediately rings the alarms in the kidneys, liver follows with disapprovements. It doesn't add up. My body is more sensitive than any lab test, that much I can tell you. Why exactly its ringing the bells, I can't tell you.

 

Ah yes, and bloodwork checked out fine recently, several times. MRI of the head was also done a year ago, some general organ ultrasound also.

Edited by Aolministrator, 22 February 2017 - 06:32 PM.

[Hyperflux]

Regarding sublingual freebase and psychedelics: I have not had any issues of it 're-activating' a recent trip. That would be truly bizarre...

 

So I dosed 30mg freebase orally today, can't say I've noticed anything. Is freebase orally active at all?

Edited by Hyperflux, 22 February 2017 - 06:34 PM.

[Twindaddy37]

 

Except from this guy with serious neurologic lyme noone else got serious side effects. This is the third time I ask, what is your experience with psychedelics or health/mental health issues, thanks. If you are the only one getting this serious side effects, why should I blame this NSI-189 freebase batch? Feel free to try the recent third party tested phosphate batch or any other source to compare.

 

 

 

Like I said before, I have taken all kinds of [CNS-active] drugs, probably in the hundreds in my life. I don't even know a website, where you could look up a complete list that contains all of them ... from just ordinary medication against health issues I never had, to what you find online in any corner of the internet, in some dark alley and out there in the woods and meadows.

 

Regularly, only piracetam and semi-regularly NSI-189.

 

Like said before, I don't hallucinate from hallucinogens, even in high dosage ... this clearly isn't some remnant fragment of my mind from psychedelic use. Like said in PM, I have experienced similar in the past and sparsely, simply as part of poisoning before. Especially from unclean meth and amphetamine. Again I want to emphasize, that its not really a huge deal. Its just there, when it shouldn't be.

 

Diagnoses I received in my life are multiple substance dependence, drug induced psychosis from heavy GHB withdrawals and Asperger's syndrome.

 

I don't think those really apply anymore at all.

 

 

Short of the assumption that I completely ruined my body and somewhat my brain within half a year, the time that I last took the Cereotropic's NS-189, I can't find myself an alternative explanation for what is clearly happening to me. My liver doesn't complain about heavy drinking for example, suppose the cause is that I destroyed my liver that much. But I snort the freebase and it immediately rings the alarms in the kidneys, liver follows with disapprovements. It doesn't add up. My body is more sensitive than any lab test, that much I can tell you. Why exactly its ringing the bells, I can't tell you.

 

Ah yes, and bloodwork checked out fine recently, several times. MRI of the head was also done a year ago, some general organ ultrasound also.

 

Maybe you should not snort NSI 189 (i do not recall this being an acceptable form of administration in the clinical trials), lay off all substances and start a detox protocol- start juicing, getting lots of exercise, sunlight, nature and get some low dose melatonin and train your sleep to 8 hours a night starting at the same time and let your body heal itself my friend. Cold exposure is huge for building up your immune system and building resilience, check out Will Hoff on you tube. Sounds like your body has just accumulated too much toxicity over the years. I myself was in a similar situation as you, my body was shutting down from years of abuse, i had to take 1.5 years off with the above protocol before introducing any substances again. 

Edited by Twindaddy37, 22 February 2017 - 08:00 PM.

[Strangelove]

Regarding sublingual freebase and psychedelics: I have not had any issues of it 're-activating' a recent trip. That would be truly bizarre...

 

So I dosed 30mg freebase orally today, can't say I've noticed anything. Is freebase orally active at all?

 

Yes it is, is not very stable in the stomach though. Is best to try it sublingually.

 

In his PMs (as in some of the posts) he mentions very subtle changes reminding him a psychedelic effect. If you search with keywords like psychedelic, lsd you could probably find the posts from years ago (from VLK's and science's guy batches) with few report similar.

 

For anyone that get side effects from freebase can try oral phosphate because the slower absorption rate can give a smoother effect. NSI-189 can have minor side effects, oral phosphate could help for only a few though. If you get anxiety from freebase try to add tianeptine or noopept, do not get your hopes up that phosphate would solve it.

 

I have written this more than a few times... NSI-189 can give widely different results according to your state. If I had not tried it when "all it was well" in my life, I would think that all NSI-189 gives is major anxiety. It gave me major anxiety and overthinking how to solve a real financial problem, until I stopped after a couple weeks, I could not stand it any longer... If it was not the same batch I would swear that was a different chemical, this was mentioned before from a few others too.

 

If you have tried it through a period of major upheaval, giving you anxiety, you can retry it when you have depression or even anxiety but "for no real reason", for a majority could boost mood, confidence and give positive thinking patterns if you have not a real major problem to overthink about. 

[Twindaddy37]

I do not think that anyones doubt that this is NSI-189... I am not going again why this is so. Please read this thread to see what is going on. NMR testing was done from another member a few years back, many members have been using NSI-189 with the same results years now, I am one of these members.

 

Anyone that thinks that can find better deal anywhere (testing, price, feedback) please do so, I am getting a tone of PMs (many with unrelated questions to NSI-189 also) spending a lot of time to make this possible, and honestly these days this is the most I can/will do. I ll probably start selling discounted 5grams sizes only, for those that have good results so far to save some of my time.

 

Strangelove, in your experience is there any cumulative effect after using it over the past few years? I know that would be hard to isolate because our lives change differently year to year- but is there anything you can perhaps contribute directly to NSI-189?

[bugsbunny]

I can tell that my NSI-189 was pure NSI-189 because of the free custom testing that made me lose the stuff too unfortunately- also the effects in users divere way to much for non-placebos, so you should check if you got NSI-189 and not DXM or other nasty stuff. Even with the bad sides that NSI gave me I would take it again, because it helps even if it came, at least in my case, with a price. Maybe microdosing in longterm usage has less side effects. 

diverge

 

Unfortunately

 

 

[Fletch]

Hey guys, since this thread is currently active and depression related I'm hoping that I can go slightly OT here. I'm trying to find a ketamine alternative (because of the abuse problem), be it NSI-189, GLYX-13, NRX-1074, or preferably hydroxinorketimine. The problem is those threads are dead, so I don't know where to look for experiences  or future buys.

 

I've been suicidal and ketamine works, but it's too difficult not to abuse with my addictive nature. I end up blowing through it despite better intentions. Desperate to find something more practical if I can. Hopefully some of you have followed those drugs as well and will PM me about them. I've lost the trail and Google alone isn't helping. Thanks

Edited by Fletch, 24 February 2017 - 05:05 AM.

[bugsbunny]

"Hey guys, since this thread is currently active and depression related I'm hoping that I can go slightly OT here. I'm trying to find a ketamine alternative (because of the abuse problem), be it NSI-189, GLYX-13, NRX-1074, or preferably hydroxinorketimine. The problem is those threads are dead, so I don't know where to look for experiences  or future buys.

 

I've been suicidal and ketamine works, but it's too difficult not to abuse with my addictive nature. I end up blowing through it despite better intentions. Desperate to find something more practical if I can. Hopefully some of you have followed those drugs as well, and will PM about them. I've lost the trail and Google alone isn't helping me. Thanks"

 

Im not a specialist here my 2 cents anyways. There are ketamine derivates like MXE, PCP, DXM but as far as i know they are all addictive and harmful. A new ketamine derviate that isnt psychoactive is in the making and could be the next big thing. As far as i know you dont take the ketamine regulary but in one flood dosage for depression. Basically its the same like a flood dosage of Ibogaine, but this is deadly potentially.

 

Edited by bugsbunny, 24 February 2017 - 05:21 AM.

[Mind_Paralysis]

Hey guys, since this thread is currently active and depression related I'm hoping that I can go slightly OT here. I'm trying to find a ketamine alternative (because of the abuse problem), be it NSI-189, GLYX-13, NRX-1074, or preferably hydroxinorketimine. The problem is those threads are dead, so I don't know where to look for experiences  or future buys.

 

I've been suicidal and ketamine works, but it's too difficult not to abuse with my addictive nature. I end up blowing through it despite better intentions. Desperate to find something more practical if I can. Hopefully some of you have followed those drugs as well and will PM me about them. I've lost the trail and Google alone isn't helping. Thanks

 

Well, Fletch, seeing as you are in the NSI-189 thread - perhaps it might be an idea to try NSI-189 then? = )

 

 

Otherwise, the HydroxyNorKetamine -thread lists an e-mail, try mailing it and see if you get a reply, yes?

 

This is the e-mail:

 

hnk6 (at) tutanota.com

 

[Fletch]

 

Hey guys, since this thread is currently active and depression related I'm hoping that I can go slightly OT here. I'm trying to find a ketamine alternative (because of the abuse problem), be it NSI-189, GLYX-13, NRX-1074, or preferably hydroxinorketimine. The problem is those threads are dead, so I don't know where to look for experiences  or future buys.

 

I've been suicidal and ketamine works, but it's too difficult not to abuse with my addictive nature. I end up blowing through it despite better intentions. Desperate to find something more practical if I can. Hopefully some of you have followed those drugs as well and will PM me about them. I've lost the trail and Google alone isn't helping. Thanks

 

Well, Fletch, seeing as you are in the NSI-189 thread - perhaps it might be an idea to try NSI-189 then? = )

 

 

Otherwise, the HydroxyNorKetamine -thread lists an e-mail, try mailing it and see if you get a reply, yes?

 

This is the e-mail:

 

hnk6 (at) tutanota.com

 

 

Yes thank you Stinkorninjor, that was my next logically step. I guess I hoped/assumed someone could let me know where those other users in the old threads relocated to, as it's odd there's no follow up reports. NSI-189 seems promising yet my first choice would be to stay on the hydroxinorketaine route rather than approach a different MOA. Briefly skimming through and seeing anxiety reported by some with NSI-189 raises a red flag personally as I'm on Nardil and clonazepam already for anxiety, so it's somewhat risky in that regard as well. Although, basically I'm currently In a "beggars can't be choosers" type situation at the moment where NSI-189, if more readily available might be worth looking into. Basically I'm trying to factor in cost/time/availability/feedback starting from scratch without all needed info or place to find it. Maybe I was wrong to assume that people in this thread might e up to date on those substaces as well. I don't know if those members jumped ship to another forum for privacy reasons, but I'll do my best to inquire in those threads as well. This one was "alive" is all

 

Edited by Fletch, 24 February 2017 - 12:38 PM.

[rjfm]

I wouldn't characterize NSI-189 anxiety as anxiety per se. The thing about NSI-189 is that it seems to give back some sort of internal logic into ones emotions that is sorely missing in depressing types making you highly cognizant of all the personal stuff on the background that's eating away at you. It makes you want to face your problems head front, especially social ones, and move on with your life. I would characterize it as some sort of hyperemotionality. I believe it's an important distinction to make.

[bugsbunny]

I wouldn't characterize NSI-189 anxiety as anxiety per se. The thing about NSI-189 is that it seems to give back some sort of internal logic into ones emotions that is sorely missing in depressing types making you highly cognizant of all the personal stuff on the background that's eating away at you. It makes you want to face your problems head front, especially social ones, and move on with your life. I would characterize it as some sort of hyperemotionality. I believe it's an important distinction to make.

In the end your character decides which stuff will be a problem. Humans with a generalized anxiety disorder have a lot more problems simply because they made them up and see problems in stuff that is harmless or cause the problem because of their fear. Hyperemotionality doesnt mean that you see more stuff going arround, it rather means that you overact in your perception.

[Twindaddy37]

I wouldn't characterize NSI-189 anxiety as anxiety per se. The thing about NSI-189 is that it seems to give back some sort of internal logic into ones emotions that is sorely missing in depressing types making you highly cognizant of all the personal stuff on the background that's eating away at you. It makes you want to face your problems head front, especially social ones, and move on with your life. I would characterize it as some sort of hyperemotionality. I believe it's an important distinction to make.

 

I like this explanation. There is no doubt that NSI makes you more in touch with your emotions and feelings. If your emotions and feelings are not healthy ones, and you have been running from them for a long time, you may perceive coming face to face with them as "anxiety". The beauty of the anti-depressant effects of this medicine, is, like this gentleman said that you can face the emotions eating away at you- which yes, may cause anxiety at times- but by getting those out of your head, your allowing yourself to be happy by simply living in the moment. If your truly living in the moment, your experiencing the world with all of your senses- which is a COMPLETELY different experience than being stuck in your head-trying to interpret the world while your both thinking about the future or stuck in the past.  You cannot have repressed negative emotions and be happy at the same time. You can either be happy or you can be sad, or flat. Or you can be unhappy, and high (falsely happy). The beauty of NSI, if you use it to your advantage is to GET UNCOMFORTABLE (ANXIETY) and deal with your emotions, sort through them, let them go, resolve them- whatever you need to do so that they aren't sucking the blood out of your from your subconscious. Growth is UNCOMFORTABLE and at times brings negative emotions, and that IS OK. Not every day is going to be amazing at all times- whats important is that positive energy is being generated by your being, and your life is going in a positive direction. 

Edited by Twindaddy37, 24 February 2017 - 10:20 PM.

[Strangelove]

 

I wouldn't characterize NSI-189 anxiety as anxiety per se. The thing about NSI-189 is that it seems to give back some sort of internal logic into ones emotions that is sorely missing in depressing types making you highly cognizant of all the personal stuff on the background that's eating away at you. It makes you want to face your problems head front, especially social ones, and move on with your life. I would characterize it as some sort of hyperemotionality. I believe it's an important distinction to make.

 

I like this explanation. There is no doubt that NSI makes you more in touch with your emotions and feelings. If your emotions and feelings are not healthy ones, and you have been running from them for a long time, you may perceive coming face to face with them as "anxiety". The beauty of the anti-depressant effects of this medicine, is, like this gentleman said that you can face the emotions eating away at you- which yes, may cause anxiety at times- but by getting those out of your head, your allowing yourself to be happy by simply living in the moment. If your truly living in the moment, your experiencing the world with all of your senses- which is a COMPLETELY different experience than being stuck in your head-trying to interpret the world while your both thinking about the future or stuck in the past.  You cannot have repressed negative emotions and be happy at the same time. You can either be happy or you can be sad, or flat. Or you can be unhappy, and high (falsely happy). The beauty of NSI, if you use it to your advantage is to GET UNCOMFORTABLE (ANXIETY) and deal with your emotions, sort through them, let them go, resolve them- whatever you need to do so that they aren't sucking the blood out of your from your subconscious. Growth is UNCOMFORTABLE and at times brings negative emotions, and that IS OK. Not every day is going to be amazing at all times- whats important is that positive energy is being generated by your being, and your life is going in a positive direction. 

 

 

I can relate to what rjfm posted and I can also get a positive hyperemotionality from NSI-189 with larger doses that as I wrote in the past overtime make me emotionally smarter and more stable as Twindaddy describes. Probably this is the greatest benefit over the long run for me. 

 

A major part of this internal logic that NSI-189 increases, indeed can be found in the left hippocampus that "logicaly" stacks and stores information in language (where the right hippocampus deals with images). The Neurastem studies found a good increase in this left "talking" hippocampus and to a lesser degree in the right amygdala that is connected with negative emotions. Probably the explanation is a cognitive one as NSI-189 can makes us more aware of an internal inconsistency with our values, emotions and the objective real life situation that can create cognitive friction and anxiety to some as described before.

 

The good part of NSI-189 as an antidepressant is that for many seems to reset our conscious experience from a defensive, unemotional and withdrawn state, to a more active, positive and accepting one. Although this state can be somewhat introverted and serious (this is why the addition of tianeptine helps) many report a lack of defensiveness and increased warmth in social situations.

 

NSI-189 seems to excite mostly neurons in hippocampus, but according to many experiences can energize already excited neurons when is combined with other agents. We have seen this in the past when is added to stimulants and in my case to my occasional use of "brain machines", like tDCS, CES, light and sound stimulation, that excite different brain parts. Every time after a brain machine session (even if hours has passed or even a day or two) the effects from NSI-189 is different as seems to energize the previously excited brain part. This is were I was going before asking for previous psychedelic use. Its a known effect (considered a side effect) that strong psychedelics can excite neurons for much longer than stimulants, and to some cases permanently change their function like what we see in the hallucinogen persisting perception disorder. Its quite possible that NSI-189 can re-energize recent hallucinogen use and this is what I was asking to find out. The combined insulfation of NSI-189 with other nootropics as described in a previous private message has to further investigated also.

 

In these two years I have over 700 private message threads that have NSI-189 in the title. Not everyone got some from all these members (some just asked questions) but from the hundred that got some (many used it for one or two years before) noone complaint for any serious or similar side effect. 

[rjfm]

 

I wouldn't characterize NSI-189 anxiety as anxiety per se. The thing about NSI-189 is that it seems to give back some sort of internal logic into ones emotions that is sorely missing in depressing types making you highly cognizant of all the personal stuff on the background that's eating away at you. It makes you want to face your problems head front, especially social ones, and move on with your life. I would characterize it as some sort of hyperemotionality. I believe it's an important distinction to make.

In the end your character decides which stuff will be a problem. Humans with a generalized anxiety disorder have a lot more problems simply because they made them up and see problems in stuff that is harmless or cause the problem because of their fear. Hyperemotionality doesnt mean that you see more stuff going arround, it rather means that you overact in your perception.

 

 

That isn't the case with NSI-189. If anything, it dials down anxiety driven behaviour. I am a hypochondriac and while i was doing it, my internal monologue concerning my health was dialed down to oblivion, as most of my anxiety driven thinking was. Strangelove has it right when he points out it's cognition related. It's a rev up and it makes you act in a more assertive and life-affirming way. You do pick up more. My reading of manipulative behaviour and general ability to attribute mental states on others was far more accurate. Twindaddy37 and StrangeLove accounts pretty much nail it on the head.

 

Edit: The best way to bring forth what it feels like is like some kind of hyperactivity. True anxiety feels different.

Edited by rjfm, 25 February 2017 - 04:08 PM.

[bugsbunny]

"That isn't the case with NSI-189. If anything, it dials down anxiety driven behaviour. I am a hypochondriac and while i was doing it, my internal monologue concerning my health was dialed down to oblivion, as most of my anxiety driven thinking was. Strangelove has it right when he points out it's cognition related. It's a rev up and it makes you act in a more assertive and life-affirming way. You do pick up more. My reading of manipulative behaviour and general ability to attribute mental states on others was far more accurate. Twindaddy37 and StrangeLove accounts pretty much nail it on the head.

 

Edit: The best way to bring forth what it feels like is like some kind of hyperactivity. True anxiety feels different."

 

There is a difference in self perception and how the enviroment sees you. Duo to evolution people can see and smell anxiety even a mile away and in the end it is important for survival. A human without fear isnt survivable, but it has to be bound to real dangers. People that have fear for no reason will be excluded of society and it is known as a very serious condition. Healthy people that just have a depression or mind problems shouldnt take that risk and usually you have to stop any medication that causes fear before its to late. You think its not "real" fear because its not bound to real dangers, thats what people with generalized anxiety disorder always have and what people without it usually never had, until they take substances that induce fear. Might be that it doesnt induce fear in your case at all or you just cant describe your feelings generally.

In my opinion NSI-189 just dims one special area that makes fear more tolerable for one personally but doesnt change the visual behaviour of people with generalized anxiety. Thats why treatment comes with behavioral therapy.

Also one point is that you cant always control what happens in your life, so the NSI-189 threatment should be choosen in a time without stress if you can because it can 10x it. I mean even these situations will feel better on NSI but people arround you will ask themselfs if youre a character of a movie or something like that.

Edited by bugsbunny, 25 February 2017 - 07:01 PM.

[rjfm]

"That isn't the case with NSI-189. If anything, it dials down anxiety driven behaviour. I am a hypochondriac and while i was doing it, my internal monologue concerning my health was dialed down to oblivion, as most of my anxiety driven thinking was. Strangelove has it right when he points out it's cognition related. It's a rev up and it makes you act in a more assertive and life-affirming way. You do pick up more. My reading of manipulative behaviour and general ability to attribute mental states on others was far more accurate. Twindaddy37 and StrangeLove accounts pretty much nail it on the head.

 

Edit: The best way to bring forth what it feels like is like some kind of hyperactivity. True anxiety feels different."

 

There is a difference in self perception and how the enviroment sees you. Duo to evolution people can see and smell anxiety even a mile away and in the end it is important for survival. A human without fear isnt survivable, but it has to be bound to real dangers. People that have fear for no reason will be excluded of society and it is known as a very serious condition. Healthy people that just have a depression or mind problems shouldnt take that risk and usually you have to stop any medication that causes fear before its to late. You think its not "real" fear because its not bound to real dangers, thats what people with generalized anxiety disorder always have and what people without it usually never had, until they take substances that induce fear. Might be that it doesnt induce fear in your case at all or you just cant describe your feelings generally.

In my opinion NSI-189 just dims one special area that makes fear more tolerable for one personally but doesnt change the visual behaviour of people with generalized anxiety. Thats why treatment comes with behavioral therapy.

Also one point is that you cant always control what happens in your life, so the NSI-189 threatment should be choosen in a time without stress if you can because it can 10x it. I mean even these situations will feel better on NSI but people arround you will ask themselfs if youre a character of a movie or something like that.

 

Not sure where you are getting at but It looks like you sidestepped my true point. I stated that NSI-189 doesn't really amp up anxiety-driven thinking, i.e., any thoughts and uneasy feelings (think fight or flight and it's ilks) that aren't rationally warranted. You sure your not projecting that hypothesis of yours that i might not be able to describe my feelings generally?

[cheezburger]

 

 

Hey guys, since this thread is currently active and depression related I'm hoping that I can go slightly OT here. I'm trying to find a ketamine alternative (because of the abuse problem), be it NSI-189, GLYX-13, NRX-1074, or preferably hydroxinorketimine. The problem is those threads are dead, so I don't know where to look for experiences  or future buys.

 

I've been suicidal and ketamine works, but it's too difficult not to abuse with my addictive nature. I end up blowing through it despite better intentions. Desperate to find something more practical if I can. Hopefully some of you have followed those drugs as well and will PM me about them. I've lost the trail and Google alone isn't helping. Thanks

 

Well, Fletch, seeing as you are in the NSI-189 thread - perhaps it might be an idea to try NSI-189 then? = )

 

 

Otherwise, the HydroxyNorKetamine -thread lists an e-mail, try mailing it and see if you get a reply, yes?

 

This is the e-mail:

 

hnk6 (at) tutanota.com

 

 

Yes thank you Stinkorninjor, that was my next logically step. I guess I hoped/assumed someone could let me know where those other users in the old threads relocated to, as it's odd there's no follow up reports. NSI-189 seems promising yet my first choice would be to stay on the hydroxinorketaine route rather than approach a different MOA. Briefly skimming through and seeing anxiety reported by some with NSI-189 raises a red flag personally as I'm on Nardil and clonazepam already for anxiety, so it's somewhat risky in that regard as well. Although, basically I'm currently In a "beggars can't be choosers" type situation at the moment where NSI-189, if more readily available might be worth looking into. Basically I'm trying to factor in cost/time/availability/feedback starting from scratch without all needed info or place to find it. Maybe I was wrong to assume that people in this thread might e up to date on those substaces as well. I don't know if those members jumped ship to another forum for privacy reasons, but I'll do my best to inquire in those threads as well. This one was "alive" is all

 

 

 

Hey,

Why are you willing to stop Nardil? It's not effective for you?

I've heard it's one of the most potent antidepressant, unlike those SSRI shit

I would do anything to get some, here in France it's considered as a narcotic.

[bugsbunny]

"Not sure where you are getting at but It looks like you sidestepped my true point. I stated that NSI-189 doesn't really amp up anxiety-driven thinking, i.e., any thoughts and uneasy feelings (think fight or flight and it's ilks) that aren't rationally warranted. You sure your not projecting that hypothesis of yours that i might not be able to describe my feelings generally?  ;)"

 

No problem buddy, im hard to understand sometimes :D What i wanted to tell you is, do you know the movie falling down with michael douglas? If you have bad luck this can happen to you if youre on NSI while you think everything is natural and lawful, cause it mutes some inhibations. Anger can be a expression of fear too. Basically im just warning of the worst case that can happen, that can occure if you take NSI in a time of stress. Im wanting to tell something that isnt common because NSI doesnt have a common or easy to describe effect.

[rjfm]

 

"Not sure where you are getting at but It looks like you sidestepped my true point. I stated that NSI-189 doesn't really amp up anxiety-driven thinking, i.e., any thoughts and uneasy feelings (think fight or flight and it's ilks) that aren't rationally warranted. You sure your not projecting that hypothesis of yours that i might not be able to describe my feelings generally?  ;)"

 

No problem buddy, im hard to understand sometimes :D What i wanted to tell you is, do you know the movie falling down with michael douglas? If you have bad luck this can happen to you if youre on NSI while you think everything is natural and lawful, cause it mutes some inhibations. Anger can be a expression of fear too. Basically im just warning of the worst case that can happen, that can occure if you take NSI in a time of stress. Im wanting to tell something that isnt common because NSI doesnt have a common or easy to describe effect.

 

 

Oh yes, i'm deeply aquainted with NSI-189 uncanny ability to suspend ones acceptance of colective wisdom and escalate things Your right to point that out to those looking to try it for the first time that non-inhibitory effect. I actually fell prey to that effect and went "falling down" on some issues i had at the time but to tell you the truth i don't regret it one bit as most of them required that sort of assertiveness to deal with. I think the best movie character analogy, by far, would be Roy Batty in Blade Runner to be honest. In Falling Down, Michael Douglas character doesn't seem fully cognizant that what he is doing doesn't suit his best interests. When push come to shove, i would snap back into more normative behaviour and have a laugh about it.

[Twindaddy37]

 

 

"Not sure where you are getting at but It looks like you sidestepped my true point. I stated that NSI-189 doesn't really amp up anxiety-driven thinking, i.e., any thoughts and uneasy feelings (think fight or flight and it's ilks) that aren't rationally warranted. You sure your not projecting that hypothesis of yours that i might not be able to describe my feelings generally?  ;)"

 

No problem buddy, im hard to understand sometimes :D What i wanted to tell you is, do you know the movie falling down with michael douglas? If you have bad luck this can happen to you if youre on NSI while you think everything is natural and lawful, cause it mutes some inhibations. Anger can be a expression of fear too. Basically im just warning of the worst case that can happen, that can occure if you take NSI in a time of stress. Im wanting to tell something that isnt common because NSI doesnt have a common or easy to describe effect.

 

 

Oh yes, i'm deeply aquainted with NSI-189 uncanny ability to suspend ones acceptance of colective wisdom and escalate things Your right to point that out to those looking to try it for the first time that non-inhibitory effect. I actually fell prey to that effect and went "falling down" on some issues i had at the time but to tell you the truth i don't regret it one bit as most of them required that sort of assertiveness to deal with. I think the best movie character analogy, by far, would be Roy Batty in Blade Runner to be honest. In Falling Down, Michael Douglas character doesn't seem fully cognizant that what he is doing doesn't suit his best interests. When push come to shove, i would snap back into more normative behaviour and have a laugh about it.

 

 

While I understand you gentleman are saying, I do not think NSI is to blame for ANY negative in this equation. By being more emotionally mature, expressing your emotions in a more open way, of course you may fall victim to being overwhelmed, because your brain and thinking mind have not been used to this at all. If you had not taken NSI and were forcing yourself to communicate emotionally more openly, I think you would be subject to the same amount if not more overwhelm. I think NSI, from an emotional standpoint is all pluses, no minus's. The perceived minuses are not so much from the NSI itself, its from you stepping out of the box, through some fears and communicating in a different way, which can be overwhelming. Case in point- I have been communicating more openly with my girlfriend, and at time its tense and overwhelming, but we are ironing out repressed feelings and resentments. Had I not taken NSI maybe I would continue to repress, and in the end it would have much more dire consequences than getting uncomfortable now, and resolving them. Getting uncomfortable is a good thing, it gives you a platform to break out of old patterns of thought. Falling down was a great flick by the way, good call bugsbunny. You can really feel his angst in that movie quite well.

Edited by Twindaddy37, 27 February 2017 - 08:30 PM.

[rjfm]

Yes, NSI-189 is not some weird compound from hell designed to destroy away human agency All pluses on my side, really.

 

I wonder if Neuralstem is going to pull this one through. Their going to make a killing on the market.

[bugsbunny]

"Yes, NSI-189 is not some weird compound from hell designed to destroy away human agency   All pluses on my side, really."

Im not sure about that one. Wasnt NSI-189 researched by DARPA/Rockefeller Foundation? Could be interesting times if every second human will take NSI however It would be more effective to cultivate a virus that turns everbody and everyone to autists by changing the DNA and spray it out of a plane. 

[AOLministrator]

In b4 morgellons.

 

 

 

https://tinyurl.com/zpypl2r

Edited by AOLministrator, 28 February 2017 - 02:32 PM.

[wanderlust]

"Yes, NSI-189 is not some weird compound from hell designed to destroy away human agency   All pluses on my side, really."

Im not sure about that one. Wasnt NSI-189 researched by DARPA/Rockefeller Foundation? Could be interesting times if every second human will take NSI however It would be more effective to cultivate a virus that turns everbody and everyone to autists by changing the DNA and spray it out of a plane. 

 

Ok, so lets run through the scenario.
Lets be generous and say that 20% of the population take it, six months laters ....... Autism  (i have taken it for longer and longer ago)

 
From the position of the state, this is terrible.
"the state" now has fewer tax payers and a huge new expense in taking care of that  20% who will never work or pay taxes again.

The economic impact of losing at random 20% of one's population to autism would be debilitating.
Not to mention the end of the pharmaceutical industry.


 Look at the economic effects of agent oranges congenital disabilities aS an example or this, and that was in a country without a health care system with a clear foe to blame.
Or the expectation that the state will be able to step in in such a massive epidemic.

if the state refused to help the economic damage would be even worse.

The remaining populous would no longer trust its doctors and medications in general.
This would cause the spread of herbal cures

If the state were able to proof to the angry masses, it had no involvement (perhaps through public executions) or legal cases totalling in trillions upon trillions of pounds or dollars or bitcoins in compensation. And if the state was to mange to remain in power at this point. It would be dealing with an untrusting, outright hostile, grieving population and failing weak economy.


if you look at the fact the state in every country worldwide
does its best to protect its self and its peoples from "chemical and biological attack " in this form .though strict regulation of controlled substances.

the legal highs law in the UK is a prime example of this; it was brought into effect as new chemicals were being used by youth that had unknown side effects and came from mainland China.


besides there wold be much better ways of achieving the same ends on a global scale without being so noticeable, such as if a fictional doctor evil decided to  cut  down all the forests of the earth  to reduce the oxygen level on the planet,  as the human brain's blood vessels can only expand to around twice its size to respond to a lack of oxygen after that if the blood is not carrying enough  due to poor air quality  a person begins to suffer from mild brain hypoxia
  symptoms at the mild stage include : temporary memory loss, reduced ability to move your body, difficulty paying attention & difficulty making sound decisions.

The perfect sheeple, while doctor evil builds domes to provide himself with good air. Perhaps he could research the tech needed to provide oxygen for his armies and people in the domes by claiming he's planning on colonising Mars.

this is all fiction of course(-: but if one is going to come up with wild conspiracy theory's to scare people it must at least be slightly plausible, all the great science fiction classics such as the bible and koran are plausible if one only suspends common sense . 

 

[Twindaddy37]

Yes, NSI-189 is not some weird compound from hell designed to destroy away human agency All pluses on my side, really.

 

I wonder if Neuralstem is going to pull this one through. Their going to make a killing on the market.

 

I know, i am waiting for the results of the next trial. It may be worth investing in this company. 

[bugsbunny]

@wanderlust

I was making a bittersweet joke, but I dont agree with your thoughts. I dont think NSI is causing autism at all but it might further anxiety disease if used in the wrong person.

High functional autists are benefit for society by the way, because they have no life but great working skills. Also how do you want to trust pharma when its all about the money since day 1? Hospitals are a business in the end. As soon as they are uneconomical they get closed. The UK law against research chemicals came into effect in the year 2016 and its a joke. Also why should you build a dome or something when it is as easy as modify a virus and thats it?