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Has the Singularity already occurred?


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#1 Ghostdog23

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:05 AM


Hi all,

I've been lurking a while, but wanted to share some thoughts I've been exploring recently. Apologies if they've been covered before, and aren't as 'mind-blowing' as I think they are :). Also, if someone has already thought of these, and has written a great novel, please let me know!

So to start:

Assumption A. - The Singularity has a greater than zero chance of happening, within the lifetime of our universe.

Therefore give, long enough, at some point in time, the Singularity occurs.

Assumption B - The Singularity takes (even if only at some point) the form of an Omega Point style scenario, whereby the post-singularity beings 'resurrect' all the entities that have died in the previous time periods (and/or create entire new lifeforms / computational entities)

Dividing time into Pre-Singularity and Post-Singularity, we have:

- a period of time where life forms have naturally arisen and died spread out across the entire period,
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- a period of time where likely all previous lifeforms are resurrected (likely in simulation) and are existent relatively simultaneously (per universal time), plus an additional multitude of new lifeforms that are generated from scratch/first principles (possibly in simulated universes).

Given any particular lifeform, and point-in-time, it is more likely statistically that the lifeform is alive in the post-singularity time period.

We are a lifeform (and ostensibly alive), hence:

Today, here and now, we are more likely alive in the post-singularity time period.

Ie. the Singularity has already occurred and we are living in it.

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This raises a lot of interesting questions to say the least.

- Were we a civilization that died and was resurrected, or an entirely 'artificial' creation? Or something else?
- Personally: Did I die, and was resurrected, or am I some form of post-singularity being but have forgotten? Or am I the post-singularity equivalent of the Amish?
- Are other Earth time periods and civilizations currently running in parallel?
- Why haven't the post-singularity creators revealed themselves, and the fact we are living post-singularity?

I could go on, but I'll put this out there, and would welcome discussion. I don't think I've done too much logical handwavium, but happy to be shown otherwise.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:02 PM

This is always a fun philosophical debate. Here is a related thread about "simulations".

It is an interesting thought experiment, but to me, focusing on making my current subjective reality the best possible reality is what matters more than speculating as to where we "came from".

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#3 Ghostdog23

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:49 AM

Ah, I see this argument has been thought of before. Thanks for the link.

Agree re: focusing on current subjective reality. But I might devote a few more cycles to exploring the simulation idea.

http://theness.com/n...lated-universe/

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:56 AM

Found this interesting article - basically arguing that if you do assign some credence to the theory that you are in a 'simulated' universe, then it should mean you modify your behavior somewhat


How To Live In A Simulation
http://www.jetpress..../simulation.htm


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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:48 PM

Thanks for the links Ghostdog23. Very interesting.

And another older thread about simulations.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 12:03 AM

When the Singularity does occur, assuming it hasn't already, what will it feel like? A blinding flash? I have a feeling that it's going to be kind of gradual, on the order of years, rather than days. You'll be cruising around town in your self-driving GoogleMobile, watching livestreams and playing VR Minecraft, and you'll see a video on YouTube about a computer that's smarter than a human... Hmph, you'll think to yourself...

#7 zorba990

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:25 AM

Machines achieving intelligence/consciousness/true AI never ends well for the humans in SciFi. I don't see any reason why it would end well in current reality.
Of course if you are well-behaved, you may be left alone for a period of time...

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:01 PM

I think we're living in a limited or alpha/beta social singularity. The question is, how do we create a more ethical and open world with the technological/scientific singularity. The sci/tech singularity has only just begun until the existence of every person is happiness and fulfillment.

#9 hathor

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:20 AM

well as far as I can tell it already happened; it occurred on y2k, just people weren't ready to admit to it just yet and programmed cyborgs like me to not be self~aware that we'd been activated.

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#10 sensei

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Posted 29 December 2014 - 07:34 PM

If you exclude the unprovable (that we are actually a simulated reality vis a vis The Bostrom Postulate http://en.wikipedia....ion_hypothesis)

 

The answer is NO.

 

The definition of the SIngularity is the point at which technological advancement occurs so quickly, that no useful predictions concerning future advancement can be made after the singularity.






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