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#1 Krabby

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 02:49 AM


Hello everyone,
(Please bear with me; I have trouble keeping threads brief)

As you can see I am a new member to these forums, after reading a range of interesting articles relating to nootropics I finally decided to sign up (I much appreciate the effort put in by some of the members). I guess this is also a form of introduction despite it being in the wrong section, so greetings.

Anyway, unfortunately I’m not an expert in this field; in fact I’m quite the newbie (I do however wish to learn). I hate myself for posting this as there are many other threads similar but none the less I would like some personal advice. My friend introduced me to modafinil with a few news reports and blogs. At first convinced by the glowing reports I quickly started to research modafinil and other ‘study drugs’. Anyway, long story short I decided upon a vendor and purchased 40x 200mg pills of modvigil.

I realise that modafinil is an overrated drug, when it came in the post I was not expecting too much. Initially, when purchasing the pills, I was quite weary of the vendor due to a lack of reviews and just the general uncertainty around medication suppliers. For this reason I tested the pills in a glass of water. It did not seem to dissolve so I took a quarter of a pill (50mg). I waited for around 2 hours with no effect so I took another 50mg. I can’t be certain due to my poor and diverse sleep patterns but I might have been a little bit more ‘on the ball’ than usual but I certainly did not feel more productive or focused. Today (11:30am) I took another dose of 100mg (I was planning on taking 200mg but it was a little late in the day). I can safely say that I felt no effect what so ever, it just feels like any normal day. Unlike other people who experience no positive enhancements but do feel the side-effects I get absolutely nothing from it at all.

This obviously raises the question of legitimacy. I know it is probably frowned upon to mention external suppliers but the service I brought from is called ‘modup’. They have a few videos and a nice website yet a lack of reviews. The modvigil I purchased looks almost identical to this (the official generic). The very suspicious difference however is that the black “Modafinil Tablets” title has “U.S.P” added onto the end and under “Each uncoated tablet contains” modafinil also has “U.S.P” next to it. The “RX” is also in a different font and is black. I’m pretty convinced the actual tablets are official but I was hoping you could first give me some advice on how to make sure. I would also like to know what “U.S.P” would mean in terms of consistency, what does it mean and is it the same as generic modafinil? I have found the tablet instantly breaks apart in water yet stays present in powder without dissolving. I am still sceptical because if I remember correctly this also happens with caffeine. I have not noticed a distinct smell in my urine so I do not know if this means I process the chemical poorly. The other question is whether I will be able to make the drug work for me, I know I only took 100mg but considering that is half the recommended dose I would have expected it to at least do something. I will try 200mg tomorrow and report back. My fear is that if I go any higher in consecutive days I will build up a quick tolerance, which I do not want.

This leads to the next newbie step of asking for other nootropics and cognitive enhancers which I could use instead of modafinil (I know it is considered more of a stimulant). What I first expected (and wanted) when I started hearing of ‘study drugs’, probably like many people, was something which could make one more intelligent. Although quickly getting the vibe that this is a false hope I would really like something which could improve my ability to solve mathematical problems and make me more effective and faster at solving issues requiring calculation. I’m not too interested in enhancements in memory but I would also like a separate drug which could motivate and sustain me for a longer period of time. I’m not too worried about side effects or cost but I would like the drug to be quite powerful in the short term with the ability of re-use when necessary (assuming there is nothing that would provide this in the long term with the same potency). I know you as a community get this a lot but some advice would be very welcome.

I will save my query about RC drugs and what to do with my C16 PKR inhibiter for another thread.
Thank you very much if you’ve managed to read the thread.
I greatly appreciate and anticipate your advice and input.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:13 AM

From my experience, I would build a tolerance and feel the same; thinking I got some fakes. However, I noticed at the gym I would exercise much harder. Focus with modalert was very spotty, exercising was always consistently harder though.
As for you, try taking at least 200mg. Report back.
Post pictures of your packaging and modafinil tabs.
What does it taste like?
Where did it ship from?
So far it sounds fake to me.

Edited by juryben, 29 December 2012 - 06:14 AM.


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 10:51 PM

"I will save my query about RC drugs and what to do with my C16 PKR inhibiter for another thread."

You are in the possesion of a PKR inhibitor?! If so, have you tried it already?
Please contact me. I am interested in trying it out!

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:55 PM

This obviously raises the question of legitimacy. I know it is probably frowned upon to mention external suppliers but the service I brought from is called ‘modup’. They have a few videos and a nice website yet a lack of reviews.


Hmm - I was just about to buy from this website. Now I'm not sure.

I would buy from Sun Modalert, but it's creditcard only and I don't have one

Did you try the 200mg?

Oh, and thanks for sharing your experience!

Edited by shavenraver, 10 January 2013 - 01:58 PM.


#5 Krabby

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:08 PM

This obviously raises the question of legitimacy. I know it is probably frowned upon to mention external suppliers but the service I brought from is called ‘modup’. They have a few videos and a nice website yet a lack of reviews.


Hmm - I was just about to buy from this website. Now I'm not sure.

I would buy from Sun Modalert, but it's creditcard only and I don't have one

Did you try the 200mg?

Oh, and thanks for sharing your experience!



Hello.

I was meaning to get back to this thread but never did.

Anyway, since I last posted I have tried a little bit more of the Modafinil. I stopped taking it for around one week (previously only taking 100mg) and started using nootropics; I decided to take it alongside my stack yesterday. I have to say that I really noticed an improvement in my ability to focus as well as being able to find the solutions more quickly to problems. I do not know if this is a placebo effect or the other nootropics actually working (I am constantly changing the dosages to find the best combination for me).

I do have a friend however who got some modafinil from the same supplier. He says that it has allowed him to focus on his physics school work for a longer period of time than he would normally tolerate. This could also be a placebo effect however as he has only taken it for a couple of days (there is also the possibility he was given caffeine).

I’m not sure if I would recommend it or not. I would have to take it for a longer period of time to conclude if it does indeed have an effect. I could be a bad reactor to the substance as I am with the nootropics I have taken.

Sorry I can’t give you any advice, but I would be very interested in how it affects you if you do end up buying it (they have quite fast delivery if that is what you are looking for).

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 04:00 PM

I wish I could say that was enough to convince me.

I'd be interested to know if the effects were apparent when one would normally be sleeping. i.e. could it give you the focus needed to study at 4am

edandmore seems to be another favourite for some people, but the min order is 60 pills which'll set me back 70 quid! I'm sure if I were a student again I could do some kind of group buy thing. Seems to be most popular with this demographic.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 04:12 PM

I wish I could say that was enough to convince me.

I'd be interested to know if the effects were apparent when one would normally be sleeping. i.e. could it give you the focus needed to study at 4am

edandmore seems to be another favourite for some people, but the min order is 60 pills which'll set me back 70 quid! I'm sure if I were a student again I could do some kind of group buy thing. Seems to be most popular with this demographic.


Just for you I will take some tonight and see if I can stay up while keeping focused until around 4:50am.
I have had 600mg Aniracetam + 1400mg Piracetam at 7:00am & 1:30pm today which might have an external influence as well as 11 hours sleep.
I will post in the morning.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 04:29 PM

Jeez, don't do it for me! I'd happily play guinea pig, but I wouldn't expect you to.

Another source I've just come across (to throw into the mix) - RXCart - a UK website. 45 quid for 30 pills. And they're only 100mg

Evigiler? Never seen that brand name knocking around. Anyone else?

Edited by shavenraver, 10 January 2013 - 04:29 PM.


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Posted 10 January 2013 - 05:30 PM

Hello everyone.. I'm new here - from denmark... Found this amazing site recently and followed several posts. Mostly these topics about brain health. Very nice info for me - after a long abuse of amphetamines and benzodiazepines. I'm off these drugs now. But addiction is addiction and i feel that though i'm off the drugs.

When i used AMPH and BENZO i was always in the pace of finding the right "high". Too much AMPH where getting me nervous and to much Benzo where making me drowsy and to the last zombie-like. It's wonderful when you start using, but with time you'll get like a zombie combining these drugs :ph34r:

But then i tried Modafinil - this drug just gave me the alertness and calmness that i was chasing by combining AMPH and BENZO.

I use Modafinil sometimes - just to feel and operate with the smooth and calm alertness that Modafinil gives me.

I have never bought any generics. I use www.aurapharm.com - maybe you can use this link. Have in mind, that you won't find Modafinil at the homepage - you need to make a google: aurapharm modafinil - then google will show the page. Here is the direct link: http://www.aurapharm...il_provigil.htm

Pretty expensive, but real pharmaceutical! :)

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 05:39 PM

That is pretty pricey.

£70+ for 30x 100mg?!

I don't really have that kinda money right now

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 05:49 PM

Me neither... I use them when my budget allows it. It's just nice to know that Modafinil exists and i know where to buy them - when you had an addiction. It's a relief just to know :) And sometimes to buy.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:36 AM

Gah, sorry.
I was unable to do the test yesterday, I was feeling tired and my alarm did not wake me up.
I will try it again tonight.

I’m quite confused at the moment. The racetams I am currently trying give me massive brain fog in the morning but when I dose a second time (with equal amount) at 1:30pm I get really good results. This seems to be the same will all racetams with me. It is also the reason I felt tired in the afternoon.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 04:51 PM

Gah, sorry.
I was unable to do the test yesterday, I was feeling tired and my alarm did not wake me up.
I will try it again tonight.

I’m quite confused at the moment. The racetams I am currently trying give me massive brain fog in the morning but when I dose a second time (with equal amount) at 1:30pm I get really good results. This seems to be the same will all racetams with me. It is also the reason I felt tired in the afternoon.


Sounds like textbook acetylcholine deficiency. By the time you take your afternoon dose of your chosen racetam, you've eaten something with enough choline for your brain to synthesize acetylcholine in sufficient amounts to cope with the racetam supplementation (eggs for breakfast?). In the morning, you're probably low on acetylcholine. Try coupling your racetam with a choline source (I'd recommend alpha-GPC, but there are several available forms). If you're already taking a choline source with your racetam, you might try taking a choline supplement before you go to sleep, so that by the time you awaken, your body already has at least an adequate supply of acetylcholine (several members here have sworn by this method).

Personally, coupling my choline source with my racetams works very well for me.

Edited by LBGSHI, 11 January 2013 - 04:52 PM.


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 05:12 PM

Gah, sorry.
I was unable to do the test yesterday, I was feeling tired and my alarm did not wake me up.
I will try it again tonight.

I’m quite confused at the moment. The racetams I am currently trying give me massive brain fog in the morning but when I dose a second time (with equal amount) at 1:30pm I get really good results. This seems to be the same will all racetams with me. It is also the reason I felt tired in the afternoon.


Sounds like textbook acetylcholine deficiency. By the time you take your afternoon dose of your chosen racetam, you've eaten something with enough choline for your brain to synthesize acetylcholine in sufficient amounts to cope with the racetam supplementation (eggs for breakfast?). In the morning, you're probably low on acetylcholine. Try coupling your racetam with a choline source (I'd recommend alpha-GPC, but there are several available forms). If you're already taking a choline source with your racetam, you might try taking a choline supplement before you go to sleep, so that by the time you awaken, your body already has at least an adequate supply of acetylcholine (several members here have sworn by this method).

Personally, coupling my choline source with my racetams works very well for me.


Ah, that is interesting.
I do take choline with my racetams, 500mg of Choline Bitartrate. However I take it all at the same time.
It would make since that I get these symptoms in the morning if I have not processed the choline.
I usually have a 7 hour sleep, how much do you recommend taking before I go to bed so that it has not depreciated by morning? I suppose there is also the possibility of waking up a few hours before hand to take it and then go back to sleep.
I have not yet tested with different amounts of Choline; I usually just stick with 500mg at 7:30 am and 500mg at 1:30pm.

On a side note, just about the only thing I drink is milk (and quite a lot of it at that). Will this have any major impacts on the racetams effectiveness? I have heard that it is beneficial and due to the fat content I thought it would help the bioavailability, but maybe such a high amount is detrimental?

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:19 PM

I'm not sure about dosage for choline bitartrate...it's been quite a while since I used that form of choline, and it also depends on how much of which racetam you're taking. I believe you can generally take a fairly high dose of choline bitartrate without side-effects, and 500mg in the morning + 500mg in the afternoon seems a bit low, especially if you're experiencing brain fog (which is, after all, a common symptom of acetylcholine deficiency). You might try simply increasing the dose in the mornings, and leaving the afternoon dose the same (since it seems to work for you). If that doesn't do the trick, try taking some before bed. As far as waking up an hour early to take a choline supplement, then going back to bed, that seems a bit excessive :)

Fat content is useful for fat-soluble racetams (aniracetam and pramiracetam), and detrimental to water-soluble racetams (piracetam and oxiracetam). I take water-soluble supplements on an empty stomach, which works well for me (and others, according to threads on this site).

Edited by LBGSHI, 11 January 2013 - 06:20 PM.


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:51 PM

I'm not sure about dosage for choline bitartrate...it's been quite a while since I used that form of choline, and it also depends on how much of which racetam you're taking. I believe you can generally take a fairly high dose of choline bitartrate without side-effects, and 500mg in the morning + 500mg in the afternoon seems a bit low, especially if you're experiencing brain fog (which is, after all, a common symptom of acetylcholine deficiency). You might try simply increasing the dose in the mornings, and leaving the afternoon dose the same (since it seems to work for you). If that doesn't do the trick, try taking some before bed. As far as waking up an hour early to take a choline supplement, then going back to bed, that seems a bit excessive :)

Fat content is useful for fat-soluble racetams (aniracetam and pramiracetam), and detrimental to water-soluble racetams (piracetam and oxiracetam). I take water-soluble supplements on an empty stomach, which works well for me (and others, according to threads on this site).


Guess I’ll have to cut back on my milk drinking.
Seems like a hard situation considering I am taking both kinds.
I wanted to take some pyritinol tomorrow but now I will probably put it off and see if I can get these racetams to work properly.
I’m not sure how much too take now considering I have not had the proper conditions met in the past. I will probably go with 1400mg Ani & 1400mg Pira in the morning and see how that affects me. What sort of problems do you face when overdosing Choline?

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:12 PM

Guess I’ll have to cut back on my milk drinking.
Seems like a hard situation considering I am taking both kinds.
I wanted to take some pyritinol tomorrow but now I will probably put it off and see if I can get these racetams to work properly.
I’m not sure how much too take now considering I have not had the proper conditions met in the past. I will probably go with 1400mg Ani & 1400mg Pira in the morning and see how that affects me. What sort of problems do you face when overdosing Choline?


You don't need to decrease your milk intake; just don't take your piracetam with milk. Aniracetam should be fine with milk (some people even claim it's more effective that way). If you're determined to take your piracetam and aniracetam simultaneously, then you could always drink milk an hour or so afterward.

If you supplement too much choline, you'll probably have mild muscle tension, particularly in the jaw area (slight jew-clenching feeling), and possibly a headache. If you experience these symptoms, simply cut down on your choline intake and the symptoms will subside, usually within the same day.





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