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#1 xeon

  • Location:USA

Posted 11 January 2013 - 04:14 AM


For the past year or so, I've been experiencing a lot of fatigue. I'm 22 years old, by the way. I've had problems with depression before, but I'm not depressed anymore in terms of mood. I just don't have the energy to do anything. I've tried hitting the gym, which I still do when I can get there, but it does nothing for my energy levels.

Also, I have done a little studying and have somewhat generic knowledge about neurotransmitters and such, but I would like to hear it from people who know more than me. I don't necessarily want to take anything that is considered a stimulant because I feel that I may be lacking in certain neurotransmitters to begin with, from depletion because of past stressors, etc. Hopefully you guys can help me on this issue, because it's become severely debilitating to my life.

Here is an overview of energy problem:
  • I have the most energy in the morning and for about 2 hours, then tiredness sets in and I feel like doing nothing
  • Motivation doesn't seem to be a problem for me most of the time. I feel motivated, but simply don't have the energy to do anything most of the time
  • When I am required to put a lot of concentration into something I get fatigued much more quickly. Especially when trying to hold conversation with people about topics I'm not familiar with so I have to pay close attention to grasp it. Or if I'm in math class especially. Or a boring class like World Literature.
  • I have memory issues, especially short term, but it feels like it's because of a lack of energy to focus on anything.
  • When I exhaust myself more than usual, I very quickly get dark circles under my eyes and feel like I just want to rest.
  • I previously had a lot of anxiety issues, but those are gone because the issues causing them have been resolved (just a side note)
  • Ever since then, stress causes extreme fatigue for me as well. Even a small stressor requires me to rest extensively afterward in order to recover.
  • It kind of seems like I just don't have enough adrenaline/stress hormones or something. But I'm not sure what to do about this.
  • I'm actually a very outgoing and friendly person who is very social, but because of this I can't do anything I want to do. It's very hard to get anything done. As I said, motivation isn't the problem here, it's having the energy to stay awake/alert/energized to do what I want/need to do.
  • By the end of each day, I'm almost completely braindead. I can barely even think well enough to brush my teeth.
  • EDIT: Something I thought I should add: When I find myself in social situations, I feel totally fine until my "energy" or "composure" runs out, and I can feel my body literally change. Suddenly I don't have the concentration to hold conversation anymore, and my hands and feel and back become drenched in sweat, and I get very anxious and want to leave to rest my mind. The anxiety/sweating/jitters seem to come when I run out of "energy" or whatever keeps me going. When that's gone, whatever it is, I freak out and just want to lay down and ease my mind. It's really bizarre, I know.
Perhaps I have adrenal fatigue? I'm not sure how to properly recover from that, and how to deal with it in the meantime.

I've recently changed my diet to mostly eliminate sugar, and added lots of vegetables and protein. I've tried several supplements to no avail.
- 5-HTP helps mood and memory, but not energy levels
- Recently purchased Choline, but I'm unsure if I should risk taking it with the given conditions
- I also have DLPA, and Inositol but I haven't experimented with them much yet strictly out of fear of making my lethargy and brain fog even worse
- Also, I've been completely off caffeine and other stimulants for approx. 8 months. Caffeine certainly helps but I crash really hard now compared to in the past, and this led me to completely drop caffeine altogether

Maybe you guys can help me out. I'm desperate here - I need to get back out in the world and be social and get a job, but I feel like I would be so mentally drained after the first few hours that I would literally be unable to function. I want to refuel my brain, rather than depleting myself further with stimulants and such. Anyone got any advice or supplements to aid with this type of problem? And while I'm at it, it would be nice to know how I can increase my amount of pleasure I experience during pleasurable activities. Things don't seem as rewarding as they used to feel. But my main problem is having energy though. Thanks everyone!

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Edited by xeon, 11 January 2013 - 04:33 AM.

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#2 nupi Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:Switzerland

Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:26 AM

Assuming you did get a physical that came up empty, I would guess low-grade depression. Mind you, this is quite different from what you would experience with major depression so you might not actually think about it as depression
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#3 xeon Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:USA

Posted 11 January 2013 - 04:00 PM

Yep, I've had a physical about 2-3 times as a matter of fact. Thyroid was good, and everything showed up fine they said. At multiple doctors. What could I do about this?
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#4 LBGSHI Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:Austin, TX - US

Posted 11 January 2013 - 04:56 PM

Just tossing things out there, but have you tried methylcobalamin? L-Tyrosine? If either of these helps, it may identify an underlying cause that can be addressed more directly.

Also, have you considered that it might be the quality of your sleep? Perhaps you're waking up twenty times per night and don't know it. You could grab something like Sleep As Android (free for 14 days last time I checked), or a similar app for Apple devices, and track your sleep movements and noises.
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#5 xeon Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:USA

Posted 11 January 2013 - 05:04 PM

Just tossing things out there, but have you tried methylcobalamin? L-Tyrosine? If either of these helps, it may identify an underlying cause that can be addressed more directly.

Also, have you considered that it might be the quality of your sleep? Perhaps you're waking up twenty times per night and don't know it. You could grab something like Sleep As Android (free for 14 days last time I checked), or a similar app for Apple devices, and track your sleep movements and noises.


I'll try the app, but I feel like I sleep pretty well. I have taken L-Tyrosine also, and it does literally nothing for me. Not so sure about the methylcobalamin though, what does that do? I don't quite understand the wiki page for it.
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#6 LBGSHI Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:Austin, TX - US

Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:13 PM

Not so sure about the methylcobalamin though, what does that do? I don't quite understand the wiki page for it.


It's just a more bio-available form of Vitamin B12. If you're deficient, it might relieve the symptoms of that deficiency, highlighting the need for more direct analysis of the cause. Just a stab in the dark, really.
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#7 xeon Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:USA

Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:25 PM


Not so sure about the methylcobalamin though, what does that do? I don't quite understand the wiki page for it.


It's just a more bio-available form of Vitamin B12. If you're deficient, it might relieve the symptoms of that deficiency, highlighting the need for more direct analysis of the cause. Just a stab in the dark, really.


I take Opti-Men multivitamins. Heard of those?
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#8 LBGSHI Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:Austin, TX - US

Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:06 PM

Nope. But, if you're taking a multivitamin, I assume you're not direly deficient in any of the basic vitamins.

Do you get any exercise?
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#9 xeon Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:USA

Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:17 PM

Nope. But, if you're taking a multivitamin, I assume you're not direly deficient in any of the basic vitamins.

Do you get any exercise?


Yes indeed, I lift weights in the gym quite often. And I bike some as well.
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#10 nupi Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:Switzerland

Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:36 PM

Yep, I've had a physical about 2-3 times as a matter of fact. Thyroid was good, and everything showed up fine they said. At multiple doctors. What could I do about this?



Sounds like me a year ago - try seeing a shrink.....
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#11 BLimitless Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:UK

Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:24 PM

Do some Gerson therapy.

I think we've talked already but basically I had the same problem except for the crazy sweating when anxious.

In my case it's basically that the body burns vitamins & minerals really fast so they need to be constantly topped up. So I use N-Acetyl-Cysteine to tackle oxidative stress and I make sure to have lots of fruits and vegetables. I can go all day long now, in fact I can store about 2-3 days worth of intense energy, both cognitive and physical in my system, and I don't get burnt out anymore.

One big wake up call was finding out about Pyroluria. Look it up, here are some links to begin with [1] [2]. B6 and Zinc and Manganese are very important. I found the majority of issues disappeared when I started supplementing Zinc & B6; then adding N-Acetyl-Cysteine cleared a lot up too. But the best thing I ever did was to combine all of these things with green superfood powders. What it sounds like in your case is a vicious mineral deficiency. So invest in a GOOD multi-mineral supplement and really do as much research as you can in finding the most absorbable mineral forms, and take it every day for a few weeks, you should find that your body suddenly switches on, as if all this time it was running on low power.


Opti-Men sucks by the way, don't even bother. Try Orange Triad or Source Naturals Life Force. Much better absorbed. They each have their own benefits. But Opti-Men is a horrible waste of time, as are the majority of multi-vitamins because they use el-cheapo forms of many vitamins and in equally crappy horrible doses.

Edited by BLimitless, 11 January 2013 - 11:26 PM.

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#12 xeon Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:USA

Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:39 PM

Do some Gerson therapy.

I think we've talked already but basically I had the same problem except for the crazy sweating when anxious.

In my case it's basically that the body burns vitamins & minerals really fast so they need to be constantly topped up. So I use N-Acetyl-Cysteine to tackle oxidative stress and I make sure to have lots of fruits and vegetables. I can go all day long now, in fact I can store about 2-3 days worth of intense energy, both cognitive and physical in my system, and I don't get burnt out anymore.

One big wake up call was finding out about Pyroluria. Look it up, here are some links to begin with [1] [2]. B6 and Zinc and Manganese are very important. I found the majority of issues disappeared when I started supplementing Zinc & B6; then adding N-Acetyl-Cysteine cleared a lot up too. But the best thing I ever did was to combine all of these things with green superfood powders. What it sounds like in your case is a vicious mineral deficiency. So invest in a GOOD multi-mineral supplement and really do as much research as you can in finding the most absorbable mineral forms, and take it every day for a few weeks, you should find that your body suddenly switches on, as if all this time it was running on low power.


Opti-Men sucks by the way, don't even bother. Try Orange Triad or Source Naturals Life Force. Much better absorbed. They each have their own benefits. But Opti-Men is a horrible waste of time, as are the majority of multi-vitamins because they use el-cheapo forms of many vitamins and in equally crappy horrible doses.


I am looking up information on N-Acetyl-Cysteine, Pyroluria, etc. right this moment. No offense, but can you offer any proof that the version of the vitamins in Opti-Men are the less-able-to-be-absorbed kinds? Thanks for the info, by the way.
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#13 Keshan Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:Budapest, Hungary

Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:59 AM

How intense is your training in the GYM?

Did you get your hormone levels tested? If yes what were the results? (Check this: )
Also you can try to eat 2-4 eggs 30-60minutes before you go to bed, this should give you a little boost.

What diet are you following exactly?

Ginseng tea or extract, dried ginger pieces (eaten) can help with energy levels.
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#14 nupi Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:Switzerland

Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:18 AM

If you want to go for the Gold Standard in Multis, look into AOR's Multi Basics 3 or (in my view overkill) Ortho Core. Add some additional Magnesium, D3, K2 to either of them.

Although quickly glancing over the Source Naturals one, that does not seem all that terrible, either.
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#15 xeon Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:USA

Posted 12 January 2013 - 05:41 PM

Keshan: My diet is just me attempting to cut out everything that I don't need. Yesterday, for example: Egg omelet with spinach and red bell peppers, for lunch a ceasar salad made from spinach, and for dinner I had beef stew with vegetables. Green smoothies every chance I get. Also added protein shakes, from Optimum Nutrition. I had previously been eating a ton of fast food daily, like Taco Bell, Burger King, McDonald's, etc.
Isn't anything stimulating such as ginseng going to fall under the same category as caffeine, and going to make things worse considering I most likely have adrenal fatigue?

nupi: I looked up those vitamins and I will be looking into buying one of these brands as soon as I can. Do you have any input about using ginseng as a stimulant considering I have adrenal fatigue?

Edit: tha'ts a legit video.

Edited by xeon, 12 January 2013 - 05:57 PM.

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#16 Dissolvedissolve Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:US

Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:36 PM

There's some evidence that ginseng's effect may be dopamine modulatory, meaning it will restore it to normal levels but not boost it excessively. There's no evidence of it being a releaser, agonist, or reuptake inhibitor as far as I'm aware of. Someone pasted a study on it around page 3 or 4 of the anticipatory anhedonia thread if you feel like reading it. I personally have not tried it yet, but there seems to be plenty of anecdotal support for it being a relatively sustainable energy booster.
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#17 BLimitless Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:UK

Posted 12 January 2013 - 06:48 PM

I think it would be a great idea to go to a specialist. Not your run of the mill "here's a prescription for an SSRI now fuck off but first give me $5000" doctor but someone who's more in tune and open to these things. The list of symptoms you gave in the OP are probably more than specific enough to identify the precise issue you have alone, but it's not going to be easy for anyone to help you out other than a person who knows the various metabolic cycles of the body inside out. We can only really throw our personal experiences at you.

But it doesn't seem like a problem that should be treated with supplements, unless for example it turns out to be a heavy metal or other kind of poisoning. To me it sounds like you're rinsing out a certain mineral, vitamin or something in one of your metabolic cycles really really fast. Taking Ginseng or other extraneous herbs seems like putting a bandage on a third degree burn and calling it a day. Don't abstain from them, but don't rely on them as your #1 solution either.



Try taking an Epsom salts bath (Magnesium Sulphate) and see how you respond. Magnesium is crucial to correct function of the nerves & it is anxiolytic. Not only that but it is heavily implicated in the body's ability to manage stress. Consequently it is used up very very fast when the body is under stress. And in a person who is already rather deficient, this may produce symptoms like what you mention; especially your last point where you state that something runs out and suddenly you lose your composure and switch off.

Basically try these things all together:
Vitamin B12 as Methylcobalamin [Sublingual] - Megadose for a few days then drop down but stay above RDA
Vitamin B6 as Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate (P-5-P) 100mg for a few days then drop down to ballpark of ~50mg
Vitamin B3 as Niacin - 300mg for a few days then down to ~50mg
Zinc or ZMA (take stated dose by manufacturer)
Epsom salts bath (Mg Sulphate) [transdermal]

This might jump start your body a little. They all heavily complement each other in functioning and basically all of these nutrients modulate your body's stress response.

Edited by BLimitless, 12 January 2013 - 06:59 PM.

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#18 dsohei Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:United States

Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:46 PM

Get yourself to a Chinese medicine doc. Try community acupuncture as it has low buy in. The specific reason for your condition could be many factors, but it looks like a kind of adrenal fatigue or in tcm kidney yang deficiency.
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#19 xeon Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:USA

Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:20 PM

Awesome, guys. I'm definitely going to megadose B vitamins like BLimitless said, look into better multivitamins, and I'm going to the store to grab some Epsom salts right now for bathing. If none of this works, I am going to look for a specialist or whatever you guys are talking about. I live in AL so it may be kind of difficult to find one because I'm not close to a city that has a lot of services like that. But it's worth a try. I'll do anything to get my health back.

Is it a bad idea to take things like Rhodiola, or Ginkgo Biloba with adrenal problems?
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#20 Sam375 Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:58 PM

How much do you sleep every night ? did you make a blood test recently ?
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#21 xeon Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:USA

Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:44 PM

How much do you sleep every night ? did you make a blood test recently ?


About 7-9 hours each night. And yep, I've taken blood/thyroid tests recently and everything looked good the doc said.
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#22 protoject Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:Canada

Posted 12 January 2013 - 10:13 PM

Generally I'll agree with the recommendation to try some methylcobalmin [methyl b-12]. I don't know if the evidence is STRONG in its favor but generally there has been some study on it showing that it can bring your sleep clock back a little bit, shorten the length of sleep [for example you said 7-9, maybe you would sleep 7 instead] and that generally you would wake up with more energy...

it's hard to say though. It could be something neurological in nature. It's kind of hard to figure these things out. Personally I have similar issues but don't know exactly how to approach doctors to get the tests I need to get and to have them properly inspected by the correct specialists. I would consider requesting copies of all of your tests from the docs and maybe getting second opinions, or finding some way to have it looked at by a specialist. Something I haven't done... :S

but yeah get hormones looked at as well,
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#23 Sam375 Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:EU

Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:01 AM

I had to ask my doctor to get my neurotransmitters checked, the thing is it's pretty expensive compared to other common tests.
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#24 xeon Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:USA

Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:10 AM

I'm looking into the B vitamin thing, but is it safe to take Ginkgo Biloba with adrenal fatigue considering it may exhibit some level of MAOI activity?
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#25 Major Legend Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:London

Posted 13 January 2013 - 06:57 AM

How intense is your training in the GYM?

Did you get your hormone levels tested? If yes what were the results? (Check this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UYtU9PVOeM)
Also you can try to eat 2-4 eggs 30-60minutes before you go to bed, this should give you a little boost.

What diet are you following exactly?

Ginseng tea or extract, dried ginger pieces (eaten) can help with energy levels.


Great video, the problem for a lot of people including me is the key factor in that video is 8 hours sleep, now surprisingly believe it or not alot of people working demanding jobs will find it hard to get that 8 hours in. The modern life style is simply too demanding, when you count in working hours, essential networking, leisure time. Unless you can get decent income with minimal working hours to have a really good work life balance, or you don't work(unemployed).

Also there are many "weird" people out there, who don't function well no matter how good their diet is, or how much they sleep, or how much exercise they do. The issue usually is an underlying problem that needs to be rectified, unfortunately this requires a lot of trial and error, and more often than not the solutions are less than perfect. From my personal experience as an "excessive sleeper" I function optimally at around 5 hours sleep with small naps and breaks during the day, there is also too much information noise, meaning you should treat information as diet.

If you are tired all the time, stop absorbing all the useless information, if you have a lot of energy its okay, but once you are tired you should cut out 80% of the crap you are feeding your brain, all those news, gossip, facebook all contribute to a lot of background noise well after the activity. Longecity is a great resource and full of bright minds, with cutting edge ideas and advice so I make that an exception.

In terms of energy I'm still solving this problem myself, but ALCAR has helped me a lot (get good quality ALCAR though). Really cut out the refined sugars during the day, unless you really need a boost for a meeting or something, in that case I prefer a energy drink over rice or bread any day, I hate rice and bread/baked goods because its not "instant energy" nor is it healthy slow energy, so it has no use other than to make you more tired and fat. I've tried NAC and B-12 and they haven't had any noticeable effect (though I was taking them from brain rein-nervation purposes, not energy, lions mane is my preferred candidate now).
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#26 Keshan Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:Budapest, Hungary

Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:54 AM

Keshan: My diet is just me attempting to cut out everything that I don't need. Yesterday, for example: Egg omelet with spinach and red bell peppers, for lunch a ceasar salad made from spinach, and for dinner I had beef stew with vegetables. Green smoothies every chance I get. Also added protein shakes, from Optimum Nutrition. I had previously been eating a ton of fast food daily, like Taco Bell, Burger King, McDonald's, etc.
Isn't anything stimulating such as ginseng going to fall under the same category as caffeine, and going to make things worse considering I most likely have adrenal fatigue?

...

Edit: tha'ts a legit video.


You could try the Siberian Ginseng that was mentioned in the video for adrenal fatigue.

Your diet seems good, try to get an unsweetened protein powder aspartame and acesulfam-k gave me headaches.

I don't think ginseng or ginger would be the same as caffeine, since these as far as I know contain no caffeine, and they work in different ways than caffeine. I currently take a Ginseng-Gingko-Green tea mix every morning and I feel great. But obviously if you have problems with caffeine get a mix that does not have green tea in it.

Edited by Keshan, 13 January 2013 - 10:06 AM.

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#27 xeon Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:USA

Posted 13 January 2013 - 06:30 PM


How intense is your training in the GYM?

Did you get your hormone levels tested? If yes what were the results? (Check this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UYtU9PVOeM)
Also you can try to eat 2-4 eggs 30-60minutes before you go to bed, this should give you a little boost.

What diet are you following exactly?

Ginseng tea or extract, dried ginger pieces (eaten) can help with energy levels.


Great video, the problem for a lot of people including me is the key factor in that video is 8 hours sleep, now surprisingly believe it or not alot of people working demanding jobs will find it hard to get that 8 hours in. The modern life style is simply too demanding, when you count in working hours, essential networking, leisure time. Unless you can get decent income with minimal working hours to have a really good work life balance, or you don't work(unemployed).

Also there are many "weird" people out there, who don't function well no matter how good their diet is, or how much they sleep, or how much exercise they do. The issue usually is an underlying problem that needs to be rectified, unfortunately this requires a lot of trial and error, and more often than not the solutions are less than perfect. From my personal experience as an "excessive sleeper" I function optimally at around 5 hours sleep with small naps and breaks during the day, there is also too much information noise, meaning you should treat information as diet.

If you are tired all the time, stop absorbing all the useless information, if you have a lot of energy its okay, but once you are tired you should cut out 80% of the crap you are feeding your brain, all those news, gossip, facebook all contribute to a lot of background noise well after the activity. Longecity is a great resource and full of bright minds, with cutting edge ideas and advice so I make that an exception.

In terms of energy I'm still solving this problem myself, but ALCAR has helped me a lot (get good quality ALCAR though). Really cut out the refined sugars during the day, unless you really need a boost for a meeting or something, in that case I prefer a energy drink over rice or bread any day, I hate rice and bread/baked goods because its not "instant energy" nor is it healthy slow energy, so it has no use other than to make you more tired and fat. I've tried NAC and B-12 and they haven't had any noticeable effect (though I was taking them from brain rein-nervation purposes, not energy, lions mane is my preferred candidate now).


Acetyl-L-Carnitine? What's the difference between taking that and Choline? I completely cut out caffeine so I'm not going to go with any energy drinks, but I also try to stay away from bread stuff also. I would rather just tough it out until I get back to my normal self. Also, I have been trying to cut out excess junk flying into my brain and spend more time doing regular activities. I have a huge habit of reading Reddit, and having like 20 tabs open on Chrome at once, haha. What's this about Lion's Mane? Never heard of it.


Keshan: My diet is just me attempting to cut out everything that I don't need. Yesterday, for example: Egg omelet with spinach and red bell peppers, for lunch a ceasar salad made from spinach, and for dinner I had beef stew with vegetables. Green smoothies every chance I get. Also added protein shakes, from Optimum Nutrition. I had previously been eating a ton of fast food daily, like Taco Bell, Burger King, McDonald's, etc.
Isn't anything stimulating such as ginseng going to fall under the same category as caffeine, and going to make things worse considering I most likely have adrenal fatigue?

...

Edit: tha'ts a legit video.


You could try the Siberian Ginseng that was mentioned in the video for adrenal fatigue.

Your diet seems good, try to get an unsweetened protein powder aspartame and acesulfam-k gave me headaches.

I don't think ginseng or ginger would be the same as caffeine, since these as far as I know contain no caffeine, and they work in different ways than caffeine. I currently take a Ginseng-Gingko-Green tea mix every morning and I feel great. But obviously if you have problems with caffeine get a mix that does not have green tea in it.


Sweet, I have been finding a lot of information online about Siberian Ginseng being helpful for adrenal fatigue. The reason I'm so curious as to how other stimulants work is because I'm not sure if other stimulants can burn out your adrenals like caffeine does, and release cortisol and all that bad stuff. My protein powder I use is Optimum Nutrition Whey Protein, and sometimes Monster Mass by CytoSport. I've had no problems with them at all.
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#28 protoject Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

  • Location:Canada

Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:48 PM

I think Alcar may be a good call, keep dose in lower range though don't take too much, it does give a very different effect as compared to choline. Alcar is not a choline it is a bioavailible form of carnitine.

but I think Noopept would be a better option personally, I found that stuff motivating as hell, but as ive said in many other threads i have pretty bad sleeping problems and it worsens these. . though for most people it doesnt do this.

I found noopept to be motivating, energizing, found myself doing 100 things during the day without barely thinking about it. It's as if it boosted the "planning and acting" part of my brain and blunted the "unmotivated procrastinating" side. As far as we know it's safe, though I think it needs more study,.

also with noopept i found the effect became better as I took it every day , and the dose can stay low i.e. between 5-20 mg, personally Id keep it on the lower end myself. i think this is the money shot, and it's cheap. Only advice would be don't compulsively take a larger dose thinking it will work better, and dont be impatient, it could take a few days to work if you dont feel it right away
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#29 xeon Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:24 PM

I think Alcar may be a good call, keep dose in lower range though don't take too much, it does give a very different effect as compared to choline. Alcar is not a choline it is a bioavailible form of carnitine.

but I think Noopept would be a better option personally, I found that stuff motivating as hell, but as ive said in many other threads i have pretty bad sleeping problems and it worsens these. . though for most people it doesnt do this.

I found noopept to be motivating, energizing, found myself doing 100 things during the day without barely thinking about it. It's as if it boosted the "planning and acting" part of my brain and blunted the "unmotivated procrastinating" side. As far as we know it's safe, though I think it needs more study,.

also with noopept i found the effect became better as I took it every day , and the dose can stay low i.e. between 5-20 mg, personally Id keep it on the lower end myself. i think this is the money shot, and it's cheap. Only advice would be don't compulsively take a larger dose thinking it will work better, and dont be impatient, it could take a few days to work if you dont feel it right away


Would you recommend Noopept over Piracetam?
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#30 protoject Re: I feel very tired/lethargic/exhausted most of the time. What can I do for more energy?

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 04:18 AM


I think Alcar may be a good call, keep dose in lower range though don't take too much, it does give a very different effect as compared to choline. Alcar is not a choline it is a bioavailible form of carnitine.

but I think Noopept would be a better option personally, I found that stuff motivating as hell, but as ive said in many other threads i have pretty bad sleeping problems and it worsens these. . though for most people it doesnt do this.

I found noopept to be motivating, energizing, found myself doing 100 things during the day without barely thinking about it. It's as if it boosted the "planning and acting" part of my brain and blunted the "unmotivated procrastinating" side. As far as we know it's safe, though I think it needs more study,.

also with noopept i found the effect became better as I took it every day , and the dose can stay low i.e. between 5-20 mg, personally Id keep it on the lower end myself. i think this is the money shot, and it's cheap. Only advice would be don't compulsively take a larger dose thinking it will work better, and dont be impatient, it could take a few days to work if you dont feel it right away


Would you recommend Noopept over Piracetam?


I'd say that piracetam is more safe, not because I think that noopept is unsafe [i have no reason to believe so] but because piracetam has a pretty good track record for being safe. But for effectiveness, yes I would say noopept is far superior to piracetam. But it really depends what you're looking for and how it affects you in the end of the day. Personally I didn't find piracetam made me particularly smart or motivated or anything like that, other people would say different. Noopept to me was way strong even at the puny dose that i used, and the effects built up, and it had a noticable effect on my life.. Piracetam, not so much.
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