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Natural Death: We Should be Worried About It


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#1 reason

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:02 PM


Edge magazine recently ran their yearly question, which this year is "what should we be worried about?" There are more than a hundred and fifty responses from various authors and folk in the public eye, and I'll confess to not having read more than a handful - time is ever fleeting, and none of us have enough of it between dawn and dusk. Thus while I noticed Aubrey de Grey's response, I missed seeing this rather better one. You should definitely read the whole thing, not just the concluding except below:

What Should We Be Worried About: Natural Death

Even if the probability of quickly finding a technological method to delay or reverse senescence is low, we have been devoting far too little effort to it. After all, no matter what else we might achieve with our work in life, we soon won't be around to enjoy it. There are other problems on the planet to worry about, but none more personally important. And yet, despite this motivation, there is very little money being spent on longevity research. Because there is no history of success, and because of widely held religious beliefs, government won't fund it. And because achieving success will be difficult, and the marketplace is flooded with false claims, industry has little interest in solving the problem. Although the profit could be astronomical, there is no easy path to attain it, unlike for cosmetic improvements. Over a hundred times more money is spent on R&D for curing baldness than for curing aging. We may someday find ourselves with extended lifespans as an unintended side effect of taking a pill that gives us fuller hair.

This absurd situation is typical for high-risk, high-reward research in an area without an established record of success. Even with strong motivation, financial support is nearly nonexistent. Scientists working on life extension often lack for equipment or a livable salary, and risk their careers by conducting oddball research that repeatedly fails. The problems are hard. But even with limited resources, a handful of scientists are devoting their lives to the pursuit, because of what's at stake. Success will require research on a similar scale as the Manhattan Project, but government and industry won't be supporting it. The greatest hope is that private individuals will step forward and fund the research directly, or through organizations established for that purpose. Maybe an eccentric, farsighted billionaire will want a chance at not dying. Or maybe many people will contribute small amounts to make it happen. This is being done, to some extent, and it gives me hope.

Personally, I know I am not so different than other people. I also have a very difficult time accepting mortality. When I think about all who have and will be lost, and my own impending nonexistence, it makes me ill. It's entirely possible that the hope I have for a technological solution to aging and death is biased by my own aversion to the abyss. Being realistic, given our current rate of technological advance, although I'm hopeful that radical life extension will happen before I die, I think it's more likely that I'll just miss it. Either way, whether aging is cured within my lifetime or afterwards, it won't happen soon enough. Good people are suffering and dying, and that needs to change in a way that's never been done before.

The more people who set out to propagate this message with style and flair, the better all our chances become. Money is the root obstacle, a lack of funding for rejuvenation research based on the SENS vision that is well planned but moving slowly - but persuasion can move money to where it is needed. You just need enough of it.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:13 AM

Speaking of persuasion, if anyone here fancies a bit of outreach whether that is sending letters or public speaking we really could use your help here. The more peple we have on board to either help directly or donate to the causem the more chance we have of achieving it in our lifetimes.

Please don't die because you sat on your arse and did nothing...even if it is just one thing a month, if we all did that it would be something. :)

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:56 PM

It is a nice article. I have heard it many times before. Right here at LongeCity. We have been talking the same game for over a decade now. I am glad a few more people outside of LongeCity are starting to say the same thing.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:52 PM

All it will take is 1 foot in the door publicly for Longevity to launch like a Saturn 5 rocket. Once people over 50 get a taste of a chance at a longer life they will jump, all at once. Think of the panic as this startling realization sets in! “You mean I don’t have to die?” People would be racing to invest as much money as they can as quickly as they can. Screw saving money for your children! If you can live another 100 healthy years you can make it back three times over!

Regardless of whether that happens in my life time or not, I’ll have no regrets. I recognized the opportunity and I gave my all to obtain it. I’m happy that I am and will continue to try. I won’t give up on obtaining more life until I’m on my death bed and there are no cures left to save me.

Edited by Lister, 08 February 2013 - 11:54 PM.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 01:02 PM

All it will take is 1 foot in the door publicly for Longevity to launch like a Saturn 5 rocket. Once people over 50 get a taste of a chance at a longer life they will jump, all at once. Think of the panic as this startling realization sets in! “You mean I don’t have to die?” People would be racing to invest as much money as they can as quickly as they can. Screw saving money for your children! If you can live another 100 healthy years you can make it back three times over!


I doubt it will launch like a Saturn 5 rocket. The deathist meme/trance is so strong that a lot of older folks will convince themselves (like Leon Kass) that it is good to die. There will be a small segment of retired folks that jump on the band-wagon, but most of the transition toward immortalism will occur with a generational turn-over. Thus our efforts are valuable in exposing younger generations to the possibility of defeating aging.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:19 AM

I doubt it will launch like a Saturn 5 rocket. The deathist meme/trance is so strong that a lot of older folks will convince themselves (like Leon Kass) that it is good to die. There will be a small segment of retired folks that jump on the band-wagon, but most of the transition toward immortalism will occur with a generational turn-over. Thus our efforts are valuable in exposing younger generations to the possibility of defeating aging.


Pain and Discomfort; these are the two main reasons it will launch like a Saturn 5. Think of how much money is spent on balding and boner pills simply because the symptoms these issues cause are a source of embarrassment! By comparison the pain and discomfort of aging in terms of motivation is like comparing a mole hill with Mount Everest.

When I say foot in the door though I don’t mean some subjective results or minor effects; I mean solid visible proof. I’m not sure what that could be but think of the profits that could be made, not with the cure for aging but with the potential hope!

True hope for an end to the pain and discomfort of aging is what will make it all happen. How that is achieved I don’t know; but it will be interesting to see.

Perhaps aging will be cured not through something titled as a cure for aging but through the gradual elimination of pain and discomfort via curse for the debilitating effects of aging.

Edited by Lister, 10 February 2013 - 05:21 AM.


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:17 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again...what we need is prominent people to publicly announce their support for the cause and to get behind it. Make something "popular" or "trendy" and it would have a lot more chance of launching like a Saturn 5. I feel that a lot of people would get behind it if it wasn't a minority thing and they could point to people who they saw as being of a higher status who also support it.

When I say prominent people, they don't have to be geniuses or world leaders. In fact I think that people like those reality TV stars people seem bothered about would really help move the cause along if they publicly supported it. We just need to persuade whoever they look up to be they actors, musicians or someone who showed their arse on Big Brother/insert another reality TV show here and got famous for it.

I understand that this is easier said than done. At the end of the day the people we are trying to get this across to despite the esteem society holds them in are only human, have probably also been put deeply into the pro-death trance and never questioned whether aging and death were immutable.

Edited by Droplet, 10 February 2013 - 08:21 PM.


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:04 AM

Beautifully written. Thanks for the post.




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