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[sam7777]

My foreword and disclaimer for die hard dogmatic skeptics

"Well it is not like I can stop or change a large percentage of society that chose to put their faith in their god's Pfizer, Glaxo-Smith, McDonald's, Archer Daniel Midland, Walmart, Bayer, DowJones, JP Morgan, Deutsche Bank, Mansanto, etc etc etc

Some of you are gullible enough, that is lucid enough to believe some of what I kindly warn you of, and some will keep on living in their easy instant gratification western mentality. Even if just a few people look at this kind of information and choose to change their lives, it is worth it.

Pseudoscience is walking into an office and letting a man give you a pill when you do not understand the mathematics and science that went into designing it. Pseudoscience is letting the government dictate what you can and cannot eat purely and arbitrarily based upon politics.

History, epidemiology, and anthropology vindicate my argument. It is very clear to the eyes of he who looks at modern disease and cross analyzes it to the past.

There were no nuclear bombs, no synthetic fertilizers, no plastics, no pesticides, no lab created food additives, no industrially concentrated heavy metals, no genetically modified organisms, no mechanized confined animal feeding operations, no antibiotics, no vaccines, no automobiles, no microwaves, no refrigerators, no twinkies, no hotpockets, none of these things existed 200 years ago.

And coincidentally, none of the lupus, autism, fribromyalgia, or rampant cancer existed then either. You had infectious disease, wear and tear, famine, malnutrition, injury, and infant mortality. You did not have "environmental diseases".

So keep drinking the koolaid, and keep telling yourselves essential human vitamins, macro minerals, and essential amino acids are pseudo science.

I guess now every single person with a PhD in nutrition is a fraud."


Essentially the entire longecity forum and mind and muscle forum is full of people, predominantly young adult men (mercury and testosterone won't mix well in the sense of neural integrity + women are not arrogant and faustian and napoleonic in nature with regards to their mental and cognitive prowess) who are burnt out from allopathic western psychopharmalogical substances, most of which are high toxic to the body and fraudulent products of a corrupt FDA-Pharmaceutical back door collusion - or burnt out on relatively safe but ineffective or core problem solving nootropics. And I must also add that an entire other segment of this board is suffering from heavy metal exposure over their whole lifetime.

Elaborate discussion of mercury toxicity


http://www.tuberose.com/Mercury.html

http://www.tuberose....nd_Mercury.html

http://www.tuberose....AndMercury.html

http://www.tuberose....xification.html


Chris Shade discusses the toxicology of Mercury from Fish and from Amalgam Dental Fillings

He further discusses detoxification protocol

Boyd Haley PhD discusses mercury induced oxidative stress and glutathione

Boyd Haley, PhD discusses glutathione and oxidative stress IAOMT 2009 Las Vegas

Boyd Haley on Mercury Autism and Alzheimer's

http://www.tuberose.com/Mercury.html


What you people choose to under estimate with regards to all these substances you put into your body is the 2nd law of thermodynamics. You are trying to make pizzas without tomato sauce. Prozac wont fix mineral deficiencies, neither will Piracetam.

There are at least five fields of study relevant to human cognitive enhancement.

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-Kinesiology
-Nutritional and Food Biochemistry, Biology, and Human Physiology
-Traditional Chinese Medicine
-Ayurvedic Medicine
-Food and Agriculture Chemistry, Pharmacology, and Science


According to Gary Null, prominent independent researcher and radio host - http://www.wbai.org/....php?program=29, he has amassed 600,000 yes half a million peer reviewed articles regarding JUST human nutrients, vitamins, minerals, and natural health supplements and their beneficial effect on the human body.

I suggest some of the people on here seriously go over to phoenix rising forum and start to study chronic fatigue syndrome as at least a beginning approach to understanding how critical proper absorption, transfer, uptake, assimilation, and metabolism of critical nutrients are to a healthy working body. The next step would to then study the effects of heavy metal toxicity on the body. Then Alzheimer's and Autism. Then cancer. Then famine in the developing world and hunter and gatherer anthropology and nutrition.

Western pharmaceutical proprietary science has essentially inculcated, indoctrinated, and power tripped its way into blinding you into thinking you can get the answers to all of your problems with a patented highly profitable single pill or source or combination of substances. Western science has become proprietary, monopolistic, and dogmatic and often exploitative.

They will never tell you how a waster water treatment plant works, how it fails to remove certain substances from the water that then wind back up in your drinking water. They will never openly allow the public to know how inferior soils and fossil fuel based NPK monoculture industrial agriculture creates cheap foods that have often fractional amounts of vitamins and minerals compared to a century ago. They will continue to tell you that there is a safe level of pesticide and fungicide with a backwards EPA and USDA FIFRA system that is as pharmacologically and methodologically flawed as the same dogmatic science pharmaceutical researchers use for assessing the LD 50 for newly developing drugs.

The ADA will continue to allow the use of silver amalgam fillings and suppress the public dissemination of information against the truth about mercury and copper toxicity, despite the European Union now considering to ban the dental practice purely on the grounds of its ecological and not public health risk. People who are otherwise highly educated in science and mathematics will continue to deny the danger, persistence, risk, and reality of multiple heavy metal toxicity and its effects on human neural function. This is purely based on non intuitive information regurgitation of countless studies put out to refute the lethality of heavy metal toxicity.

Yet in this same THREAD, you hear of people validating the actuality of genius being based not on empirical and computational prowess but upon novelty, motivation, intuition, creativity, and the ability to see DIFFERENTLY. It does not matter that the EPA website and ARMY corp of engineers, and several prominent toxicology peer reviewed journals have decades worth of peer reviewed science almost all freely available to the public fulling explaining the lethality of heavy metal toxicity and other pollutants, many associated with agriculture. It does not matter that the wide spread nature of mercury is established, the educated and intellectual continue to assert that heavy metal toxicity is rare. It and agriculture, industrial, and air/water/food based pollution are in fact prominent in the Majority of the developed world.

See the National Cancer Act technical review Reducing Environmental Cancer Risk. http://www.iatp.org/...21_2_107480.pdf

What does this have to do with each of the five fields I mentioned? What are the implications to cognitive function and neural health?

-Kinesiology is involved in the balancing of the cardiovascular function, neuro-endocrinological and cellular messenger and communication of the nervous system and musculo-skelatal system, and the deep microcapillary circulation required to penetrate compounds, nutrients, and endogenous molecules into the body as well as the oxygenation of the blood and these tissues. This results in proper cellular senescence and longevity and gene integrity. At the heart of all chronic diseases is a poorly functioning oxygenation and microcappillary circulation of the tissues and body.

-Nutritional and Food Biochemistry, Biology, and Human Physiology explains how these substances are involved in becoming actual building blocks throughout human development. This is inclusive of fetal development, gestation, pregnancy, epigenetics, and genetics. Here is an example of someone who is up to par with this subject.

"An Organic Chemist's Perspective on Paleo" by Mathieu Lalonde, PhD

-Traditional Chinese Medicine is a proven practice with thousands of years behind it. Some aspects of consciousness expansion, human ability, and healing remain unexplainable or unsolved by modern western biology and medicine. Some may disregard the impact of abstract concepts such as meridians, channels, and chi yet the field consistently explains how these are critical concepts to human health. Equally importantly, the pharmacology and medical applications of Chinese herbs are profound. The herbs are strongly anti-viral, anti-cancer, disease curing substances. The typical arrogant westerner of course assumes that there are no peer reviewed studies on these herbs available. Well that is because you did not pay the Chinese companies, researchers, and Chinese government for that information which they have been assimilating TCM into western science since Mao Zedong brought TCM back to China after first obliterating it. Do you really think the Chinese are so incompetant they don't understand the medical, biomolecular, pharmalogical, and biochemical rammifcations and possibilities presented by TCM plant compounds?

-Ayurvedic Medicine can once again be assessed the way I described TCM. Luckily, these pharmalogical studies are much more available to Westerners, and the Indian government and publicly and privatey funded research on these herbs and methods are more available. Indian researchers have equally disseminated much of the pharmalogical qualities of major ayurvedic herbs down to the epigenitic effects and gene mechanics. In fact, Indian scientists in my opinion are better than much of the Chinese researchers with regard to the progress made into pharmacology and biomedicine.

Mercola Interviews Dr. Chopra

-Food and Agriculture Chemistry, Pharmacology, and Science relates to the type of work the USDA and various other associates do to determine the actual quality of the food we have at our disposal. They have quite a sophisticated approach to researching the food supply, but they are concerned with quantity and uniformity not quality and disease prevention. Of course they would vehemently contend that given the amount of effort that it takes to keep you from getting E. coli in your spinach, or in your hamburger meat. I guess it depends if you consider pure hamburger meat, pure, based on the amount of antibiotics the animal was fed to keep it from dying on the spot in its squalid conditions in a CAFO. Don't count on living to be 100 on a diet of American CAFO red meat with the USDA recommended food pyramid daily vegetable intake that consist of non-organic mass produced vegetables.

Talking about fasting techniques, weight loss, issues with food allergies

Long duration fasting

The role of allergies in childhood developmental disorders

Serious concerns about industrial food and food allergies with gluten and milk

Edited by sam7777, 19 February 2013 - 03:08 AM.

[norepinephrine]

Right. A proper diet is critical to brain functioning and mineral balance, alongside restful sleep and daily exercise. It always blows my mind that people will chase a pill for clarity without first tackling the core components, especially given exercise's scientific/evolutionary track record in cognitive development.

[Optimism]

Before people delve into nootropics, I'd recommend a healthy diet and exercise just to get a baseline as to how your body/mind act while maintaining a nutritious lifestyle.

[RJ100]

This is a terrible post.

Pseudoscience is walking into an office and letting a man give you a pill when you do not understand the mathematics and science that went into designing it. Pseudoscience is letting the government dictate what you can and cannot eat purely and arbitrarily based upon politics.

That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

Not sure why it's tagged as "radical"

[renfr]

Well that's called evolution.
Some people are naturally naive and will think that the doctor is an utmost authority of knowledge, some people won't just look for themselves for answers to the real cause of their problems, after all isn't it much easier to take a pill and get temporary relief than research for months or even years for what was the root problem to your symptoms?
Most people will take the pill because it is almost immediate, others (like us) will rather look to find the real cause of their problems.
The problem with chinese medicine is just the lack of studies, the fact that it works or not is debatable but not crucial, studies are needed to know how it works exactly, to know more about side effects, contraindications, etc...
What I agree for sure is that most of synthetic medication are totally useless or with a smaller benefit/risk ratio than natural alternatives.
For almost all kind of diseases there is a natural cure, even the deadly almighty prion can be slain by certain lichen species.
Instead of giving and enlightening people about antioxidants, big pharma gives them antibiotics, sometimes with temporary terrible side effects, sometimes with horrible, permanent and irreversible side effects (remember cipro?).
Synthetic medications are just here because big pharma is synthetizing them to make profit not because they have been shown to be more effective than natural alternatives. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying all synthetics should be avoided, for instance racetams, acetylated amino acids, etc... can be very good and healthy drugs but that's only a very small part of synthetics.
I guess that with the help of internet, people will become a bit more aware (let's not have too much expectations though) and start thinking differently.
Being healthy is just about making sure that your body gets it all :
- get all your vitamins, minerals to avoid deficiencies (if your food is homegrown then I guess it's sufficient but with the process of industrialization of earth food contains less mineral than before and usually we need vitamin supplements)
- exercise oftenly, this is vital for your health and well being, being overweight has been shown to reduce dopamine receptors, to make you more fatigued, less motivated, brain fog, etc... remember exercise can create oxidative stress so don't forget to take antioxidants before...
- get antioxidants oftenly as well, they should be combined such as vitamin C, anything that raises glutathione (NAC, liposomal glutathione), vitamin E (also helps with a lot of skin problems!), vitamin D, etc...
they will strenghten your endurance, prevent ROS damage, repair your blood circulation system, etc...
- cut out on coffee and alcohol, coffee is bad for your heart and blood vessels, due to vasoconstriction it reduces blood flow to the brain, alcohol may have interesting properties but too much of it isn't good either, even a glass of wine a day is a bit too much.
- keep your brain fat healthy, give choline to your brain to myelinate axons, take a regular dose of fish oil
- from time to time, detoxify your body, even with a proper diet, there are still toxic accumulations (and our current food processing doesn't help), chelation therapy (such as MSM, phytic acid, etc...) and also detoxifiers (MSM, diuretics such as tea, chlorella) should be preconized
- keep your cholesterol under control, if you have statins throw them out they're actually bad for you, a proper diet helps healthy cholesterol, additionally garlic, dark chocolate, fish oil, soy lecithin can keep your cholesterol under control.

That should help a lot, of course if after that we're looking for longevity, this will surely help but more should be added, aging processes are more complex, I suggest reading about Aubrey De Grey which is trying to define aging processes in order to theorically make our body live forever.

[sam7777]

I have a number of pharmalogical papers over different herbs like guggul, rhodiola, and siberian ginseng and gotu kola. These are not done almost ever in the united states, they come from other countries with independent studies. You just gotta use google scholar or other database research tools. These are not simple studies either. But as far as randomized double blind placebo controlled studies, etc you are right that the evidence is light. India and China are increasingly doing this however, publishing the results, and testing things out.

[Thorsten3]

I agree with a lot of what the OP says but I am one example of where a clear cut life just doesn't cut it. I went 100% organic, tried drinking the purist water possible, my diet was loaded with raw, living foods. I also tried various exercise regimens alongside my dietary approach. In terms of health I felt great but it didn't cure my dysthymia (which I suffer with to this day). In order for me to function I have to follow a pharmaceutical approach. It has taken me years to needle out the crap and find drugs that help me. I still live by healthy principles but I also don't have hang ups about popping a pill each day to make my life bearable. I think the more you educate yourself too the more fruitful your quest can become. If you accept everything your doctor says and trust his/her every word then your health is at their mercy. That isn't something that appeals to me particularly. Just use them when you need them. Don't let them dictate your life.

Also, chinese medicine can be great if you are under the guidence of somebody that knows what they are doing. These herbs have multiple actions in the body and if you take one herb to treat something, you can guarantee it'll impact other areas of your health/wellbeing negatively, or positively. For instance, cordyceps is amazing for clearing my sinnus and increasing cardiovascular performance but it also results in me becoming even more chronically depressed (perhaps due to it AChEI qualities - I am sensitive to cholinergics). I can honestly say that it is the only thing I have ever taken where I have actually thought about ending my life. I think I definitely overdosed it (I took half a tea spoon, recently, for four days straight), but even so, it shows how these herbs can really fuck you up if you don't know what you are doing. I certainly wouldn't give cordyceps to anybody with severe depressive disorders. I have lots of experience with other Chinese herbs too, but this is just one example I have used to make my point. Be wary, they're not harmless weeds that solve everything (as they are often touted).

The only herbs that work for me are panax ginseng and curcumin (and even those come with side effects).

Edited by Thorsten2, 24 February 2013 - 11:01 PM.

[YimYam]

I was just about to start a thread but found quite alot of this extremely relevant to what I wanted to ask and talk about, hopefully someone can help..I am going to talk about Herbicide poisoning, Cannabis and Autoimmune diseases and reveal my results which I hope someone can give a view on the severity.


I have Candida, Parasites and SIBO and Leaky Gut and as a result brain fog. To get to the point I have been eating a extremely strict diet of chicken, duck and greens, no slightly starchy snacks of any sorts..zilch!
What unfortunately has been the case despite supplementing very well I have not been improving very much if anything at all, apart from brief moments some days where I feel a little less fatigued and foggy, which is lovely to experience again to say the least, as its been about year and a half of these horrible conditions.

I have recently had toxicity tests and found some quite alarming results and as a result am going to have a brain scan.

Alarmingly these are the results:

My niacin status (protein synthesis?) is 14.9ug/ml - Range is 14.0-30.0

Lymphocyte Sensitivity:

Reference intervals: up to 100 = normal, 100-200 = borderline, over 200 = definite sensitivity

Most significant ones:

mercury (inorganic) = 160
Mercury (organic) = 115
Tin = 120
Benzoate = 150
Nitrosamines = 190
Pentachlorophenol = 120
Organophosphates = 170

Toxic effects of chemicals identified by other tests:

Mercury (ii) (chloride) % inhibition of MA = 6.5 Comments = Mild pre existing inhibition of metabolic activity
Organophosphates (mix) = 11.5 Comments = Pre-existing inhibition of metabolic activity
Nitrosopyrrolidine = 8.5 Comments = Mild pre-existing inhibition of metabolic activity

Ref: 5%, 5%-10%Mild Inhibition, 10-15% inhibition, >15% highly signicificant

Miscellaneous

uric acid = 654 Range 266 - 474


"Essentially the entire longecity forum and mind and muscle forum is full of people, predominantly young adult men (mercury and testosterone won't mix well in the sense of neural integrity + women are not arrogant and faustian and napoleonic in nature with regards to their mental and cognitive prowess) who are burnt out from allopathic western psychopharmalogical substances, most of which are high toxic to the body and fraudulent products of a corrupt FDA-Pharmaceutical back door collusion - or burnt out on relatively safe but ineffective or core problem solving nootropics. And I must also add that an entire other segment of this board is suffering from heavy metal exposure over their whole lifetime."

AS highlighted above Organophosphates is pretty high and that is the reason I am going to have a brain scan because even low amounts can impair and damage brain function.

My Theories

Is that it could of been the reason i contracted candida , parasites, SIBO and Leaky Gut and had cognitive problems such as poor comprehension in the first place despite being clever and

MOST IMPORTANTLY the high grade marijuana I have been smoking I believe has been heavily contaminated with PESTICIDES, wouldn't this be the obvious reason for Organophosphate poisoning and mild mercury poisoning?


From what I can see it looks like quite a serious amount of metal toxicity, please can someone help alleviate some concern.


Many Thanks,
JD

Edited by 1533jd, 27 February 2013 - 05:08 PM.

[medievil]

Funny thing is, sups show the most benefits on a bad diet, look at res for example, so res with big mac everyday my diet from now

[dz93]

FINALLY! Someone with a brain. I've been called a quack numerous times on this forum just for being against vaccines, fluoride, GMO's and advocating nutritional therapy to treat people's problems. This forum and many others, not that I'm against what it's trying to do, is full of people who believe GMO's will feed the world, vaccines are saving lives, and malnutrition isn't the cause of disease, illness, and cancer. They think it just happens randomly or genetically and if it happens to you then you have bad luck and there's no hope for you until big pharma says there is.

What the OP is saying is real and has turned people's lives around completely, me being one of them. Then I get called a quack for wanting to help others. I guess it's quackish to be sick and tired of seeing so many suffer and knowing that if you suggest a quackish idea then you'll get laughed out of the room and everyone in that room now thinks what I just said is false, never knowing the truth, never helping themselves or others.

It's not that people are stupid, they've been mislead, lied to. Living the lives of waking up in the morning, going to work, and coming home only to sit down and watch a box that induces you in an alpha trance programming you with what they want you to think. This technocracy of mind hacking is very real. It's not quack science. It's been labeled quack science by the people running it so the victims never know that they are actually victims. You should never trust an industry when every other commercial is telling you that if you're too happy you need a pill, if you're too sad you need a pill, if you're too angry you need a pill. Every human emotion has been classified as a mental disorder and people are coming to accept the fact that emotions aren't unnecessary and if you experience them you need a pill. This is the new trend. You're cool if you're on a pill and you're a whacko if you aren't. Everyone watch out for the people who's brain aren't under psychoactive drugs from big pharma, they could be dangerous mass killers....


Random, but just found this:

Quoted in the New York Times Magazine (October 25, 1998, "Playing God in the Garden"), Philip Angell, Monsanto's director of corporate communications, famously stated: "Monsanto shouldn't have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food. Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the FDA's job."

From the Federal Register, Volume 57, No.104, "Statement of [FDA] Policy: Foods Derived from New Plant Varieties," here is what the FDA had to say on this matter: "Ultimately, it is the food producer who is responsible for assuring safety."

These are the people you are putting your faith in today.

Edited by dz93, 02 March 2013 - 06:50 PM.

[nupi]

dz93, you told you are a quack because you are - or at the very least, you sound like one...

Vaccines safe many more lives than they ever destroyed (if there in fact were any of those, which am not too convinced to begin with, but allergic reactions cannot fully be ruled out, I guess). GMO food is probably safe but in any case, Europe has very little of it and still we have mental disorders so it's unlikely to be a major driver. I don't think anyone would dispute that a healthy diet is paramount but there are enough people who have a reasonably healthy diet (myself included) who still need something on top of that to feel well.

Arguing that feeling too happy and feeling too sad both being labeled diseases and that somehow illustrates that the industry that does it is somehow cheating because of is disingenious. Talk to Bipolar patients in a normal phase and they will readily that mania feels great but is utterly destructive to their life. I don;t think I have to even start arguing why major depression is bad, do I?

[dz93]

dz93, you told you are a quack because you are - or at the very least, you sound like one...

Vaccines safe many more lives than they ever destroyed (if there in fact were any of those, which am not too convinced to begin with, but allergic reactions cannot fully be ruled out, I guess). GMO food is probably safe but in any case, Europe has very little of it and still we have mental disorders so it's unlikely to be a major driver. I don't think anyone would dispute that a healthy diet is paramount but there are enough people who have a reasonably healthy diet (myself included) who still need something on top of that to feel well.

Arguing that feeling too happy and feeling too sad both being labeled diseases and that somehow illustrates that the industry that does it is somehow cheating because of is disingenious. Talk to Bipolar patients in a normal phase and they will readily that mania feels great but is utterly destructive to their life. I don;t think I have to even start arguing why major depression is bad, do I?

I did talk to a bipolar patient. My best friend who has been labeled bipolar for years who has been on the most powerful anti psychotics and was going from doctor to doctor trying to find something to get rid of the hallucinations he was having. He was also given multiple vaccines as a kid and had a seizure as a reaction to one of them. Then I got him on a full spectrum vitamin mix and got him to detox heavy metals from his body with zeolites. He's not on anything at all anymore. He's more sane than ever before. The hallucinations he was having was from the anti psychotics but was told it was his normal brain that was causing hallucinations.

The difference between me and you is I have real life experiences to back me up. You have what you read and what you've been told. This quack science works for me and it saved my friends life and it'll save more lives than vaccines, gmos, or any of that shit ever will.

These are the ingredients used to save lives according to nupi.
http://www.cdc.gov/v...n/additives.htm

I suppose this whole entire website dedicated to letting people know the truth about vaccines is quackish too. All those articles they continuously post about the dangers of vaccines. More and more information surfacing everyday about the dangers of vaccines must all be fake. These people must be living fake lives to destroy others lives huh. Oh the evil in this world is just beyond me.
http://vactruth.com/...accine-workers/

NaturalNews, which is ranked 825th in US traffic, must be some fake person living a fake life trying to kill other people with fake information of fake people suffering from these vaccines. This guy must be extremely evil because his website has been around for years now. Imagine all the people suffering from his information he's providing. Such a horrible quackish guy.
http://www.alexa.com...e_home&p=bigtop

When I can just type "gmo" into the search on youtube and the full first page is loaded with information and documentaries about the dangers of gmo's they must all be quacks who are evil and want to see others die off using old technology of organically grown food. The mother's on these documentaries that have nearly had their children die must also be evil and want other kids to die from not eating GMO's.
http://www.youtube.c...c.1.glWe4HXjslU


If the FDA says it's the food producers job to assure it's safety but the producer says it's the FDA's job to assure it's safety who the hell is assuring the safety?!


How sick is this?! These people are making ANOTHER documentary trying to lie about the dangers Big Pharma poses on our society.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PADcCXdD1BI

What is this world coming to when people with zero financial ties to any of these industries that are raking in billions are trying to tell us that they may not have our best interest in mind. They must just be mentally ill. That's the only reasonable conclusion I can come up with and coincidentally so does Big Pharma. I love when someone posts something trying to claim one thing and everyone on here scours the web for different sources to check the credibility of the original source but when a company that is banking off your ignorance says to keep eating their food it's okay, they don't even second guess it just because it's the norm.

Why is it that I can keep posting more and more articles, with new information every single day from numerous different sources, backing up my quack science but I see so little of anything backing up your side of the story. It must be because of the evil, stupid, people who are soooo dedicated to warning others of the fake dangers that they'll waste their whole entire life trying to convince people.


Oh geez more evil people dedicating their lives to warning the dangers of vaccines. The WHOLE PAGE is full of it! Quackadoodledoo everyone.
http://www.youtube.c...c.1.qtRlLRRSshA

Edited by dz93, 02 March 2013 - 11:53 PM.

[nupi]

You cannot counter quack claims by linking to known quack sites (that's like trying to prove the existence of god by linking to church websites...). Link to peer reviewed studies or live with being labeled a quack.

While we are at it, intermixing "evil big pharma" with anti vaccine and GMO scare mongering does not help your cause, either. I don't think anyone on here would dispute that some of the stuff big pharma peddles is downright evil (other stuff is a savior to many, but you are free to refuse antibiotics next time you get pneumonia), but ultimately putting it all in the same category definitely hurts you argument.

[dz93]

Did you not even look at this?
http://www.cdc.gov/v...n/additives.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm....Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.tandfonli...772240802246458
http://www.ncbi.nlm....Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://fourteenstudi...g/pdf/hep_b.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19740540
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/17114826


Here's a nifty one on GMO's.
http://www.sciencedi...278691512008149
http://www.sciencedi...278691512005637
http://www.sciencedi...278691512005637



If you bothered to even read any of those links or watch any of those videos, which you didn't but you'll tell me you did, then you would see that injecting mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, and MSG into your body is not good for you.

I still have yet to see anything backing up your claims.

Edited by dz93, 03 March 2013 - 03:39 PM.

[nupi]

Clearly, YOU did not look at the first part of the page:

• Millions of doses of vaccines are administered to children in this country each year. Ensuring that those vaccines are potent, sterile, and safe requires the addition of minute amounts of chemical additives.
• Chemicals are added to vaccines to inactivate a virus or bacteria and stabilize the vaccine, helping to preserve the vaccine and prevent it from losing its potency over time.
• The amount of chemical additives found in vaccines is very small.
• All routinely recommended pediatric vaccines manufactured for the U.S. market are available in formulations that contain no thimerosal or only trace amounts.

Oh and rodent studies with insane doses are, uhm, not very strong evidence. As for MSG it still is GRAS (and taste's yummy to start with) and while some people are definitely sensitive to it, conclusive prove of it being negative for the general public's health is still outstanding.

As for round-up resistant corn, I am less than convinced that this is actually needed (or that you should be eating corn, to start with, I rarely do, in any case) but again, it is not on the market in Europe and we STILL have all the same diseases as in the US (albeit it slightly lower prevalence, I guess). I am not even sure Round Up itself is allowed to be used in all European countries (I certainly have not seen it on sale in Switzerland).

OTOH, the cost/benefit analysis for Golden Rice looks pretty favorable to me - and not just because the local university has come up with it (I have my own beef with that institution, trust me, but their research is generally pretty darn solid). In any case, arguably all plant based food we eat today is GMO - some bred by less sophisticated technologies than other but GMO nonetheless.

[dz93]

Well if that is what justifies injecting those compounds into your body by all means you stick with it. I on the other hand will continue to stay away from them.

[YimYam]

Heal your gut, heal your brain.

Keep going brother, too many misled minds.

FINALLY! Someone with a brain. I've been called a quack numerous times on this forum just for being against vaccines, fluoride, GMO's and advocating nutritional therapy to treat people's problems. This forum and many others, not that I'm against what it's trying to do, is full of people who believe GMO's will feed the world, vaccines are saving lives, and malnutrition isn't the cause of disease, illness, and cancer. They think it just happens randomly or genetically and if it happens to you then you have bad luck and there's no hope for you until big pharma says there is.

What the OP is saying is real and has turned people's lives around completely, me being one of them. Then I get called a quack for wanting to help others. I guess it's quackish to be sick and tired of seeing so many suffer and knowing that if you suggest a quackish idea then you'll get laughed out of the room and everyone in that room now thinks what I just said is false, never knowing the truth, never helping themselves or others.

It's not that people are stupid, they've been mislead, lied to. Living the lives of waking up in the morning, going to work, and coming home only to sit down and watch a box that induces you in an alpha trance programming you with what they want you to think. This technocracy of mind hacking is very real. It's not quack science. It's been labeled quack science by the people running it so the victims never know that they are actually victims. You should never trust an industry when every other commercial is telling you that if you're too happy you need a pill, if you're too sad you need a pill, if you're too angry you need a pill. Every human emotion has been classified as a mental disorder and people are coming to accept the fact that emotions aren't unnecessary and if you experience them you need a pill. This is the new trend. You're cool if you're on a pill and you're a whacko if you aren't. Everyone watch out for the people who's brain aren't under psychoactive drugs from big pharma, they could be dangerous mass killers....


Random, but just found this:

Quoted in the New York Times Magazine (October 25, 1998, "Playing God in the Garden"), Philip Angell, Monsanto's director of corporate communications, famously stated: "Monsanto shouldn't have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food. Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the FDA's job."

From the Federal Register, Volume 57, No.104, "Statement of [FDA] Policy: Foods Derived from New Plant Varieties," here is what the FDA had to say on this matter: "Ultimately, it is the food producer who is responsible for assuring safety."

These are the people you are putting your faith in today.

[dz93]

Heal your gut, heal your brain.

Keep going brother, too many misled minds.

FINALLY! Someone with a brain. I've been called a quack numerous times on this forum just for being against vaccines, fluoride, GMO's and advocating nutritional therapy to treat people's problems. This forum and many others, not that I'm against what it's trying to do, is full of people who believe GMO's will feed the world, vaccines are saving lives, and malnutrition isn't the cause of disease, illness, and cancer. They think it just happens randomly or genetically and if it happens to you then you have bad luck and there's no hope for you until big pharma says there is.

What the OP is saying is real and has turned people's lives around completely, me being one of them. Then I get called a quack for wanting to help others. I guess it's quackish to be sick and tired of seeing so many suffer and knowing that if you suggest a quackish idea then you'll get laughed out of the room and everyone in that room now thinks what I just said is false, never knowing the truth, never helping themselves or others.

It's not that people are stupid, they've been mislead, lied to. Living the lives of waking up in the morning, going to work, and coming home only to sit down and watch a box that induces you in an alpha trance programming you with what they want you to think. This technocracy of mind hacking is very real. It's not quack science. It's been labeled quack science by the people running it so the victims never know that they are actually victims. You should never trust an industry when every other commercial is telling you that if you're too happy you need a pill, if you're too sad you need a pill, if you're too angry you need a pill. Every human emotion has been classified as a mental disorder and people are coming to accept the fact that emotions aren't unnecessary and if you experience them you need a pill. This is the new trend. You're cool if you're on a pill and you're a whacko if you aren't. Everyone watch out for the people who's brain aren't under psychoactive drugs from big pharma, they could be dangerous mass killers....


Random, but just found this:

Quoted in the New York Times Magazine (October 25, 1998, "Playing God in the Garden"), Philip Angell, Monsanto's director of corporate communications, famously stated: "Monsanto shouldn't have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food. Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the FDA's job."

From the Federal Register, Volume 57, No.104, "Statement of [FDA] Policy: Foods Derived from New Plant Varieties," here is what the FDA had to say on this matter: "Ultimately, it is the food producer who is responsible for assuring safety."

These are the people you are putting your faith in today.

I will keep going. I know what I'm doing is the right thing despite others disagreeing with me. No one is dumb and even though they disagree with me now they'll soon realize in the future that what I'm saying is very real. It may sound crazy, I understand that, but the truth is crazy.

Edited by dz93, 05 March 2013 - 11:42 PM.

[YimYam]

Your on the right track, don't let stragglers bring you down to their level eg above. You seem like an intelligent bloke, don't let your passion get focused into negative people, your wasting your time, some people are very set in their opinions and these people are generally too proud to admit their wrong or even listen to alternate views.

May I ask what was wrong with you and how you came aboard ship of the HMS Knowledge is Power?!

JD

[dz93]

Nothing was wrong with me. I was over weight that's it. I lost 50 lbs since last year.

Mainly it was seeing my friend suffer so much and it sucked knowing that there was nothing I could do to help him. Ever since Jr High he has been in and out of doctor offices getting put on a whole concoction of different drugs. He wasn't told he was bipolar until he looked up his symptoms on his own and pretty much told the doctors he was bipolar and the current drugs weren't helping. Even after they gave him mood stabilizers and anti psychotics he still kept getting worse. So I decided to take matters into my own hands and eventually one thing led to another and I just started to realize things weren't what we had been led to believe. I never even knew he had a seizure as a reaction to a vaccine as a kid until I told him what was in the vaccines. His diet as a kid definitely didn't help his situation. But he was getting the help he needed from any of the different doctors he went to. Even counselors made things worse. They made him feel like there was no hope. He was seriously about to give up. Then I got him on a full spectrum vitamin, mineral, and trace mineral mix and immediately he decided to stop using his mood stabilizers and anti psychotics. He still felt a little I'll but much much better than before. Then I discovered zeolites and had him take that to detox those nasty heavy metals, which are known to cause manic depressive states, and he is a fully functioning normal human being again. He has a full time job, a girlfriend, can think properly now and his mood has never been better. He can finally live a happy normal life. After seeing such a profound change I've decided I don't care if I get called crazy a million times as long as I can help people anyway possible I will.

I've also learned that not everyone's situation is the same. It has to be personalized to help people. If you're willing to work with me I'll do everything in my power to help you. I'll go to the end of the world to help people and believe I never used to be like this. I would have given up on humanity along time ago if I hadn't learned about this stuff trust me.

[YimYam]

Nothing was wrong with me. I was over weight that's it. I lost 50 lbs since last year.

Mainly it was seeing my friend suffer so much and it sucked knowing that there was nothing I could do to help him. Ever since Jr High he has been in and out of doctor offices getting put on a whole concoction of different drugs. He wasn't told he was bipolar until he looked up his symptoms on his own and pretty much told the doctors he was bipolar and the current drugs weren't helping. Even after they gave him mood stabilizers and anti psychotics he still kept getting worse. So I decided to take matters into my own hands and eventually one thing led to another and I just started to realize things weren't what we had been led to believe. I never even knew he had a seizure as a reaction to a vaccine as a kid until I told him what was in the vaccines. His diet as a kid definitely didn't help his situation. But he was getting the help he needed from any of the different doctors he went to. Even counselors made things worse. They made him feel like there was no hope. He was seriously about to give up. Then I got him on a full spectrum vitamin, mineral, and trace mineral mix and immediately he decided to stop using his mood stabilizers and anti psychotics. He still felt a little I'll but much much better than before. Then I discovered zeolites and had him take that to detox those nasty heavy metals, which are known to cause manic depressive states, and he is a fully functioning normal human being again. He has a full time job, a girlfriend, can think properly now and his mood has never been better. He can finally live a happy normal life. After seeing such a profound change I've decided I don't care if I get called crazy a million times as long as I can help people anyway possible I will.

I've also learned that not everyone's situation is the same. It has to be personalized to help people. If you're willing to work with me I'll do everything in my power to help you. I'll go to the end of the world to help people and believe I never used to be like this. I would have given up on humanity along time ago if I hadn't learned about this stuff trust me.

I would love to work with you. We can of course help each other on this journey. Give me a PM when your free. I can see were very much reading from the same crib sheet.