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Novel antidepressant with stimulant effects?

antidepressant stimulant dopamine apocynum venetum posinol

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#1 chemicalambrosia

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 04:53 PM


Newish study on an herb that never gets discussed:
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23453939

J Ethnopharmacol. 2013 May 2;147(1):108-13. doi: 10.1016/j.jep.2013.02.015. Epub 2013 Feb 27.
Antidepressant-like effect of flavonoids extracted from Apocynum venetum leaves on brain monoamine levels and dopaminergic system.

Zheng M, Fan Y, Shi D, Liu C.

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The Central Laboratory, Changchun Normal University, Changchun, Jilin 130032, China. zhengmeizhu2008@sohu.com

Abstract


ETHNOPHARMACOLOGICAL RELEVANCE:

Apocynum venetum L. (Apocynaceae), a traditional medicinal plant, has been used for the improvement of emotions in Asian countries.
AIM OF THE STUDY:

We explored the antidepressant-like effect and monoaminergic mechanism of a flavonoids extract from Apocynum venetum leaves (AV-extract).
MATERIALS AND METHODS:

Effect of AV-extract (25, 50 and 100 mg/kg, i.g.) on mice's immobility time was assessed in forced swim test (FST) and tail suspension test (TST). The locomotor activity was evaluated in the open-field test (OFT). Additionally, the main monoamine neurotransmitters serotonin (5-HT), noradrenaline (NA) and dopamine (DA) and their metabolites 5-hydroxyindole-3-acetic acid (5-HIAA), 3,4-dihydroxyphenylacetic acid (DOPAC) and homovanillic acid (HVA) in the mouse hippocampus involved in the antidepressant-like effect of AV-extract was also determined by liquid chromatography-electrospray ionization tandem mass spectrometry (LC-ESI-MS-MS).
RESULTS:

AV-extract (50 and 100 mg/kg, i.g.) administration significantly reduced the immobility time in both the FST and TST without accompanying changes in locomotor activity in the OFT. It was also found that the AV-extract significantly increased the concentrations of the main neurotransmitters NE and DA along with their respective metabolites DOPAC, HVA in the hippocampus. The antidepressant-like effect of the AV-extract (50 mg/kg, i.g.) was prevented by the pretreatment of mice with SCH23390 (0.05 mg/kg, i.g., a dopamine D1 receptor antagonist) or sulpiride (50 mg/kg, i.g., a dopamine D2 receptor antagonist).
CONCLUSION:

The AV-extract produced significant antidepressant-like effects, which likely attribute to increased NE and DA along with their respective metabolites DOPAC, HVA in the mouse hippocampus, and dependent on interaction with dopaminergic (D1 and D2 receptor) systems.
Copyright © 2013 Elsevier Ireland Ltd. All rights reserved.


I noticed this herb in this product: http://www.swansonvi...ls-120-veg-caps , so I started googling. It is available as a single extract in the patented form as Posinol and also in bulk and bulk extract. There sure isn't much in the way of anecdotes on this that I can see, nor a lot of research. Has anyone tried it? Somebody guinea pig it, please. ;)

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 09:38 AM

Interesting, can it be a MAOI if the metabolites are increased, too?

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#3 Reformed-Redan

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 01:23 AM

Interesting. The effects look really good. I'd rather get a pure extract just to discern what are the effects of the compound.

#4 jadamgo

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:26 PM

Interesting, can it be a MAOI if the metabolites are increased, too?

An MAOI would decrease DOPAC, because MAO is what converts dopamine to DOPAC.

Apparently the same herb is also used to decrease blood pressure, which is rather interesting for a compound that increases DA and NE. It must either have some peripheral effect counteracting the central effect, or it must preferentially stimulate the alpha-2 receptor over the other adrenergic receptors.

#5 nupi

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:14 AM

http://www.iherb.com...-Softgels/41478 Not sure if its full spectrum though

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#6 Reformed-Redan

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 03:30 PM

To get the same or similar results you'd have to consume around 300mg of this extract daily. Quite a bit, and I don't know what the extract was standardized to.





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