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[Danail Bulgaria]

So... "based entirely on what" you "have personally experienced" you "say", that the "Mind", which "is not contained in the head or brain" is "made of energy", that "can never be lost". Thus the "consciouness", and "particularly the consciouness of certain people (spiritual adepts) lives on", "as themselves, even after the death".

 

Right?

[Skypp]

So... "based entirely on what" you "have personally experienced" you "say", that the "Mind", which "is not contained in the head or brain" is "made of energy", that "can never be lost". Thus the "consciouness", and "particularly the consciouness of certain people (spiritual adepts) lives on", "as themselves, even after the death".

 

Right?

 

 

“Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another." ― Albert Einstein

Conservation of energy is one of the most fundamental empirical principles in science. As far as we know, energy can never be created or destroyed, though mass can be converted to energy and vice versa (which is what Einstein's famous E = m c² means).

 

"We may then consider every cell in the human body as a library of information. Each cell is made of molecules, each molecule is made of atoms, and atoms are made of electrons, neutrons, and protons. In connection with Einstein's familiar formula, E=mc², we have been taught that matter and energy are equivalent, that we can convert energy into matter, and that the energy in a piece of matter is equal to the mass of the matter times the speed of light squared. Thus, even minute amounts of matter represent a lot of energy However, while in the past it was believed that electrons were particles-matter existing at some point in space-now, according to particle physics, electrons are not particles all of the time, but sometimes behave like waves of light. The current consensus is that they are both wave-like and particle-like, as is all matter. In fact, in the world of quantum physics, it seems these elementary "particles" (including electrons) don't really exist at all. What does exist are relationships, correlations, tendencies to actualize from a multifaceted set of potentials. A quantum physicist might say that electrons, like all other subatomic particles, are described by a "probability density state." At this level it is strikingly evident that there may be no objective physical reality at all. What the scientific community once thought was there in the sub-atomic realm and what the educated world was taught to perceive as real simply does not exist."Judith Bluestone Polich

 

The new physics tells us that matter may actually be nothing more than a series of patterns out of focus and that subatomic "particles" aren't really made of energy, but simply are energy! The subatomic world of electrons, protons, and neutrons may thus be viewed as patterns of vibration within what Rupert Sheidrake calls a morphogenetic field, an organizing field that underlies a system's structure.

 

I hope this answers your question. Good luck to you!

[shadowhawk]

I do not think there is anyone human, living today who is immortal.  If we are only a material body we will all die. 
The earth will die and so will the cosmos.  What does it mean to die?

[Skypp]

I do not think there is anyone human, living today who is immortal.  If we are only a material body we will all die. 
The earth will die and so will the cosmos.  What does it mean to die?

 

That is the real question, the one that underlies all others.

[Danail Bulgaria]

I do not beliueve in immortal souls and immortal minds. When you die the energy particles, that build your atoms are actually contained in your atoms, the atoms are contained in your molecules, and your molecules are being eaten from the worms and the bacteria.

 

I am interested only in the acheiving of the biological immortality.

[serp777]

Immortality almost certainly exists based on simple laws of physics/energy. Einstein showed us that energy is never destroyed it only changes form. Quantum physics established that any particles created together are eternally 'entangled', and share all their information instantly. Finally Quantum physics has proven that no information is never lost. The combination of these 3 properties creates a system cable of retaining any body of energy indefinitely. In other words based on the function of those 3 'laws' 'immortality' is not only a possibility, but most probably is an inescapable fact.

 

There is really no such thing as true mortality, merely very long lifespans. Eventually the expansion of the universe will cause the decay of protons themselves, which is long after the last stars finally die. Even if you could access other universes, murphys law suggests that given enough time, you will eventually perish (like jumping into a universe where the dark energy constant is too high and being ripped to pieces). 

 

Quantum physics and relativity do not yet explain dark energy, which is the wrench in your scientific logic. 

Edited by serp777, 20 July 2014 - 01:45 AM.

[redFishBlueFish]

Siro, 

 

No, the billionaire would not share this, why would s/he? I think the only real means to the end would be nanotechology. As far as inhuman experiments, I don't think it would be really necessary if you had the right team of people. Hell, I would invent the means to the end if I was smarter. 

 

immortal? no. live forever as long as you aren't blown up to bits? yes.

Edited by redFishBlueFish, 22 July 2014 - 07:33 AM.

[Danail Bulgaria]

The conversation becomes more and more interesting.

 

 

 

People who have privately and secretly found out successfull methods...

 

People, who has become immortal by a chace...

 

The cryopreserved people if some day get immortalized ...

 

The clonning and its relevance with the immortality...

 

The ecape velocity that should make us all immortal....

 

The immortal souls and minds...

 

Did we talked about the cybernization and the such called singularity?

 

 

 

 

 

 

If a bilionare decides to make a private secret project for making himself immortal, which strategy you think he will develope?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Will he develope the cryoncs to the point of successfull  refreezing? Then simply will freeze himself after deathand will wait the immortality hour?

 

Will he finally manage to clone himself? Or he will clone homunculuses for spare parts?

 

Will he rush alot of money in the development of the medicine to speed - up his escape velocity?

 

Will he robotize himself successfully?

 

Will he believe in the immortal soul and mind and just will do nothing until he dies?

 

Or maybe he will simply stay to see if he is immortal by a chance?

 

Or maybe he will do everything alltogether?

 

If none of the above, what he will try to do?

 

 

 

 

 

And how effective will be his attempt? How far cen he reach in any of these for one lifetime?

[fairy]

Think of Kurzweil. He puts a lot of effort in trying to elude death and does not seem to be so *healthy*; when I saw him on ytube I thought he was ill. Then he is so passionate about his theories. Thus my conclusion would be that he knows nothing about immortality being achieved by anyone. At Google he leads one of the most exciting projects ever pursued by mankind. One of the Google's founders, Larry Page, suffers from vocal cord paralysis goo.gl/qFH9G7. Bring on the evidences because I fail to see any. Not that I'm saying isn't possible.