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Temporal Engineering as best means of life extension?

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#1 Jonathan Jones

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Posted 18 January 2014 - 07:23 PM


Here are my thoughts.

We all know that if temporal engineering will ever be possible, then it is already happening.

We also know that if you were to intervene with 'the past' then it would cause problems in your present. So you would have to do it in such a way, that it would not create a large alteration in your reality.

Like turning on a heater to get warm. You can raise the temperature in your room ten degrees no problem. But if you raise the temperature one thousand degrees you are dead.

Now, let us say that two technologies are created in the future.

1. A person's consciousness can be transferred from one body to another. A younger, better body.
2. People can look into the past, and alter it. Temporal Engineering.

Now, lets say these people want to alter the past. They want to save their grandfather who died fifty years ago. If they open a portal to the past, this will create a large disturbance. There will be an explosion, annihilating themselves. They cannot do this.

But perhaps they can just barely interact with the past. And so at the moment that their grandfather died, they can interact just enough with his body, to transfer his consciousness, intact, into their present, and into a new body.

Now, this idea of reality would explain a lot of things. For one, it explains why so many people claim to have 'spiritual' experiences, and yet they are so hard to prove. The experiences are always limited. The entities invisible. Not sharing too much information, etc. There is never an explanation given for this. But if you look at it from the vantage point of time travelers it makes sense.

Second, this would be the best possible scenario for people like us. Interested in extending lifespan. Because not only would we extend our lifespan, but we could even save the consciousnesses of the already deceased. Something that cannot be done with transhumanism.

So, the only reason to not believe that this is happening is simple.

Because time travel is not only impossible, but simply does not make sense!

However, I have been working on a new model, that allows for time travel. And shows how it makes sense. A quantum mechanical model allowing for time travel.

(Okay nevermind. I am not allowed to post links yet. Hmm....)

Well, the video showed basis of the theory.

The theory is that particles in our environment, that we perceive as 'separate and unrelated' could actually be entangled.

Entangled particles, theoretically, can behave as if they are right next to one another.

And multiple particles can be entangled. Theoretically even whole objects or people.

So... from the point of view of the particles, it is one entity. A guy named Bob, sitting in his living for example. And Bob would perceive us and our reality as being separate and unrelated particles in HIS environment.

This is already a leap forward in the understanding of the many worlds theory. Instead of thinking of realities as parallel, it presents realities as interpolated and interacting.

So temporal engineering. Where does this come in?

Basically, think of the sandwich you are going to eat tomorrow. The pieces of the sandwich already exist. The bread is in the kitchen. The meat is in the refrigerator. The mayonnaise is in the jar. So the pieces already exist and are already interacting. Tomorrow, those pieces will come together, and for one moment, they will be your sandwich. You will then eat your sandwich, digest the sandwich and expel the pieces of the sandwich out into the environment where they will separate once again.

So... think of particles that are scattered out in the environment and approaching a point as the point's 'future'. The particles that scatter out from a point are the point's past.

Okay, keep that in mind. But lets go back to the interpolated realities for a moment.

So, take a person. If he wanted to go to another 'reality'. There are two ways.

1. He could rearrange all the particles in the universe, until the universe was in the shape of the reality he wanted. This does not seem feasible. Due to energy and information constraints.
2. He could rearrange the particles that make up himself. Keeping them entangled, (so that from his point of view he stays in one piece) but from the viewpoint of the guy operating the inter-dimensional portal, appearing to scatter out into the universe, so that they interacted with the particles in the universe in such a way (their relative position) that from his point of view he found himself in the reality he desired.

That is how one would achieve interdimensional travel.

But Time travel? Okay... back to that.

Same thing. Except instead of scattering his particles out to interact with another reality, you would scatter his particles to meet the incoming particles (sending him into the future) or you would scatter his particles to catch up with the particles that had already left his body (sending him into the past)

So 'the past' or 'the future' can be thought of as an alternate reality that matches your future or your past.

Now, finally, lets put it all together.

So, you are a scientist, operating a 'time machine'. You want to 'alter the past'. A man steps into your time machine. You hit the button. The man turns into quantumly entangled particles, and the particles scatter out into the environment. As the particles go, they interact with the environment of course. Changing things. Creating a chain reaction. Over time, things begin to change. So that by a month later, the thing that you wanted to alter in the past, is now altered.

Temporal Engineering.

Anyway, I packed a lot of information in this opening salvo. Just hoping to get a discussion started. This forum seems like the right place. (fingers crossed)
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#2 Xenthide

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 09:14 PM

I am sorry to have to be the one to tell you this but your post is just utter, rambling and pseudoscientific nonsense.

Also...

However, I have been working on a new model, that allows for time travel. And shows how it makes sense. A quantum mechanical model allowing for time travel.

You have been working on a new quantum mechanical model? Really? In that case I would very much like to see some of the maths, and, you know, actual working to support this "quantum mechanical model" of yours.

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#3 Jonathan Jones

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:52 PM

Let me state it in another way...

 

Lets say in the future, a guy, Doug, builds a time machine. He also builds a machine that can pull a person's consciousness out of his body and put it into a clone. Doug is a very smart guy.

 

Now, Doug wants to use his time machine to go back in time and save his grandfather, who died five years ago in a car accident. But Doug knows that if he does this, it will alter the timeline and he himself will be annihilated along with his time machine. A paradox. So instead of doing this, he uses his time machine to peer back in time. And right at the moment that his grandfather dies and his consciousness dissipates, he opens up a portal through time and space and transports his grandfather's consciousness into a clone body in Doug's present. Doug does this in such a way, that none of the people around his grandfather's dying body know anything even happened. The portal through time and space is invisible and almost undetectable to the people in the past. Therefore, nothing changes in the timeline.

 

The end result is that for Doug's grandfather, his life was extended.

 

So, how does this help us here in the present? We don't have time travel technology. We can't clone bodies. We can't transfer a consciousness from one body to another. Etc.

 

But... theoretically, people will be able to in the future. Therefore, due to the time travel aspect of all of this, this is already happening. Which might explain a lot of the near death experiences and peoples encounters with spirits' that are so strangely taciturn. 

 

So perhaps what we should be concentrating on is making sure that the people in the future save us in this fashion. Which we can do by passing laws and forming organizations. 

 

I believe this is a radical idea, but a good one. It is something that I am now working towards fully. 

 

Google - The First Temporal Alliance

 

 

 



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Posted 15 May 2014 - 03:10 PM

Going back in time to heal your dying grandfather and save him from death from an oncoming a car, by communicating to him telepathically to stop crossing the street, would not interfere with the future of that existing dimension, it would simply spin off existing events off into an alternate reality wherein your grandfather continued to live. In this mental time travel you would continue to live only in your previous dimension (where grandfather died) but vacating that dimension temporarily and mentally to go back and save your grandfather. The multi-verse solves many dilemmas. We may all be creating new universes in our dreams.



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Posted 24 May 2014 - 04:39 AM

We may all be creating new universes in our dreams.

 

 

 

That sounds frightening.



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Posted 24 May 2014 - 04:46 AM

 

We may all be creating new universes in our dreams.

 

 

 

That sounds frightening.

 

 

Only if you equate reality with the material. Reality is the quantum computing underlying wave form collapse into the material - a realm of infinite possiblities.



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Posted 24 May 2014 - 04:00 PM

I meant it would be frightening if my Nightmares would become something real somewhere else ;-)

 



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Posted 24 May 2014 - 05:24 PM

Yes, but where they are real there is no physical danger. Near death experiences are not all flowers and love's warmth - some are hellish. The quantum realm contains all future possibilities in all possible worlds. We are materially focused but we also participate (mostly outside of awareness) in the quantum realm.



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Posted 01 June 2014 - 11:22 AM

I hope you succeed. Please go back to around 2011 and warn me how much I am going to f-ck up my life if I don't learn to love myself. Thanks.



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Posted 05 September 2014 - 08:46 AM

welp... that discussion devolved quickly.

 

On a side note, it has come to my attention that my idea has been posted to this site already by someone else under the name of 'quantum archaeology'.  



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Posted 05 September 2014 - 12:12 PM

Hi Jonathan Jones!
 

I liked the way you think, and I think, that you are a nice guy, but ....

 

Unfortunately, your ideas have a very low chance to be correct. Why? To explain why I have to go a bit off-topic. The science as general is being developed on the base of facts (experimentaly checked theoretically possible events). When something is a theory, even a scientific theory, with a high probabbility to be correct, this theory has only a CHANCE to be true. Real scientists avoid building further theories over an existing theory, bacause thus in each next step the chances they to be correct becomes smaller. This happens, because to the previous chances of thruethfullness you apply another chances of truethfullness. So, lets for example you start with a theory with a 50/50 chance of being true. This makes 50% chance the theory to be so and 50% chance it not to be so. To this theory you add another theory with 50/50 chances, e.g. with another 50% chance it not to be correct. So it it happens, that even if the first theory is correct (you are in the 50% chance of truethfullness), then you may not be correct with the second theory and fall in the 50% chance of failure for the second theory. If you calculate the probability for you to be correct when applying a 50% chance to happen to another 50% chance to happen, you will be surprised how dramatically the chance for success reduces. And this happens in each step of applying another theory to the group of theories. Maybe I can not explain it understandable enough, this is why I will try to give you an less abstract example: If something happens, then if I will have the chance the second thing to happen, and then if I have the chance the third thing to happen, then if I have the chance the fourth thing to happen, then it is so. Imagine, that after applying several entirely theoretical statements one over another, someone appears proudly infront of you and says: So, see that, Jonathan Jones, see! I found it! I am geniuos!

 

Lets now see how many theories you have in your thesis, that people from the future access the past, in the exact moment of someone's death, take his/her soul and places it in another body. Furthermore it will be best to see if occasionally some of the main theories are build over another theories, but at this moment I don't have the effort to digg into details.

 

Main theories:

First theory: time traveling is possible

                    in the both directions (subtheory)

Second theory: Soul exists

Third theory: Soul can be transferred

Fourth theory: People from the future care about you and your death

Fifth theory: It is entirely free or affordable human clones to be dedicated to this purpose

Sixth theory: The people from the future know when is the exact moment of your (or everybody's) death

 

Even though I have to admit, that even the very very small chance for you to be correct, I hope, that you are :)

My views, at this moment, especially those about the soul and its transferability lead me to the conclusion, that your theory most probabbly will fall on the second or the third step.

 

If not anything else, it was at least interesting reading your view of time travels. Several things got my attention.

"If they open a portal to the past, this will create a large disturbance. There will be an explosion, annihilating themselves. They cannot do this."
Explain please more about the explosion, the annihilation and why it will happen.

 

"Second, this would be the best possible scenario for people like us."

According to me, the best possible scenario is the biological immortality, e.g. the constant existence of your body (and eventually your soul in it).
 

"However, I have been working on a new model, that allows for time travel"
Explain more about that.

 

"So, you are a scientist, operating a 'time machine'. You want to 'alter the past'. A man steps into your time machine. You hit the button. The man turns into quantumly entangled particles, and the particles scatter out into the environment. "

Haha :) So far your time traveler is death :) :) :)

 

"As the particles go, they interact with the environment of course. "

Of course.

 

"Changing things. Creating a chain reaction. Over time, things begin to change. So that by a month later, the thing that you wanted to alter in the past, is now altered."
What, what, what????



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Posted 05 September 2014 - 06:21 PM

If you would like a more on topic post, here it is:

Decoherence.

That is all.

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Posted 05 September 2014 - 08:27 PM

Main theories:

First theory: time traveling is possible

                    in the both directions (subtheory)

Second theory: Soul exists

Third theory: Soul can be transferred

Fourth theory: People from the future care about you and your death

Fifth theory: It is entirely free or affordable human clones to be dedicated to this purpose

Sixth theory: The people from the future know when is the exact moment of your (or everybody's) death

 

None of these are theories in the scientific sense.  They are at best hypotheses, some of which are half-baked at best. 



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Posted 06 September 2014 - 06:45 AM

Yup...

 

Those that eventually can make some sense are the possibility in the distant or the very distant future the human cloning to be an usual and cheap (not expensive) procedure, and maybe the concept for the possibility of time traveling (many scientists say, that time travel into the future is teoretically possible, including Stephen Hawking).

 

 



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Posted 19 September 2014 - 10:24 AM

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Unfortunately, your ideas have a very low chance to be correct. Why? .... The science as general is being developed on the base of facts (experimentaly checked theoretically possible events). When something is a theory, even a scientific theory, with a high probabbility to be correct, this theory has only a CHANCE to be true. Real scientists avoid building further theories over an existing theory, bacause thus in each next step the chances they to be correct becomes smaller. .....

 

Lets now see how many theories you have in your thesis, that people from the future access the past, in the exact moment of someone's death, take his/her soul and places it in another body. ....

 

Main theories:

First theory: time traveling is possible

                    in the both directions (subtheory)

Second theory: Soul exists

Third theory: Soul can be transferred

Fourth theory: People from the future care about you and your death

Fifth theory: It is entirely free or affordable human clones to be dedicated to this purpose

Sixth theory: The people from the future know when is the exact moment of your (or everybody's) death

 

.....

 

 

Further thinking over this unbelievable idea led me to the conclusion, that some things in it are not this crazy as they sound.

 

While still thinking, that this is with an extraordinary small chance to happen, now I have to admit, that some very small bits of it can be true.

 

According to the leading scientists today (for example Stephen Hawking) and also according to great scientists in the past (for example Albert Einstein) time traveling to the future is possible. For some of them the time traveling is possible even in the both directions. I can't also not to admit, that the people, who want to crypreserve also believe, that people from the future will unfreeze, revive them and will make them immortal (which includes in it what I marked as Fourth theory).

 

So, it is the soul, that messes up everything.



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Posted 23 September 2014 - 11:07 AM

As to the 'soul' being transferred from one body to the next.

 

You can transfer a person's consciousness from one body to the next by doing something like a brain transplant. This is obvious.

 

However, obviously people from the future could not remove the brain from a body without someone noticing. Plus... a lot of your memories, etc. are located in your body. If you were a master pianist for example and only your brain was transplanted, you would no longer be able to play the piano. The muscle memory would be gone.

 

Therefore, I predict that the transference of a consciousness will be by taking particles from all over the body, making a kind of diffuse body, complete with your entire nervous system, organs, skin, memories.. everything.

 

This is similar to data compression. 

 

Lets say you wanted to transmit a picture to someone. But the picture was 10 gigs and you could only transmit 1 gig?

 

Well, it wouldn't be very useful to transmit a piece of the picture one tenth in size. The person would have no idea what the other nine tenths was.

 

But what you could do was transmit 1/10 pixels. Transmitting a kind of faded out picture, but that still had the whole picture intact. And the person on the other end would have an algorithm to restore the missing pixels.

 

So, in this situation, a diffuse, invisible, almost intangible, etheric copy of your body would be removed from your dying body. They would make sure that your consciousness was actually in this etheric body, as opposed to it being a copy, by actually physically pulling the particles out of your body.

 

They would then pull this body into the future and plug the particles into a clone, that had been created with those exact particles missing.

 

Another possibility could be that this process is automated somehow.

 

So... I'm not talking about a mystical concept, a 'soul'. I'm talking about a very real, physical construct. 

 

As to the rest of it...

 

You said that if a person was dissipated into particles, that were quantumly entangled, that the person would be dead. 

 

However, quantumly entangled particles behave as if they are right next to one another.

 

So if you entangled some particles and scattered them out into the universe... from the point of view of the particles, they would still be next to each other. Its the particles in the universe that would be rearranged. My entire theory is based on this relative concept. Once you understand this theory (which i admit is just a kind of sci-fi theory) then its only a small step to understanding how this applies to time travel.







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