I want to start by saying that I’m sorry that you have to live through the current chaos in Ukraine. I hope you’ll be alright.
It is beyond reasonable doubt that some Jews have indeed "packaged and disseminated" bogus theories and done so intentionally, just as some non-Jews have, for various reasons, since that's what many people do -- lie, cheat, deceive, as their human nature entails. In other words, this is not exclusive to Jews. But if you mean to say or hint that it's all a part of some kind of clandestine, sinister all-Jewish master-plan conspiracy, then it's impossible to argue with because it's really outside the realm of common sense.
What’s a conspiracy? Was the ’42-’45 Judeocide a conspiracy because there was an actual conference or multiple conferences where the decision was made? How many people were in on this? How many had a hunch but still followed orders? I’m not suggesting that Jews constitute some sort of Platonic solid. Nor did the Germans or even the Nazis. My point is that conspiracies can emerge from seeds. Intellectual movements for example are those seeds. I’m talking about a disproportionate rather than unique representation of Jews in bogus intellectual movements.
How could an entire ethnic or ethnoreligious group be on the same conspiracy? How could such a conspiracy start? By what mechanisms would every member become aware of the conspiracy? What about infants and small children? What about individuals who live their lives unaware of their ancestry?
People naturally conspire with their ingroup against their outgroup. Conspiracies are not learned but they are unlearned. Jews never had political power in the past so they tend not to make a distinction between politics, science and civics. Hitler and the Nazis did the same, making everything political. And indeed, National Socialism shares some of its concepts with Zionism and Talmudic Judaism.
The US has no legal restrictions on multiple citizenship for Jews and non-Jews.
That’s beside the point. The primary allegiance of members of some groups is unclear or it isn’t with America. Zionists and Mexicans are examples.
Okay, and you're sure history isn't a linear progressive process? Also, what's wrong with activism?
The problem with activism is that most people are wrong most of the time. One can always find majority for wrong or even idiotic ideas. That’s why America was founded as a constitutional republic. The best solution to most problems is technological progress or correctly applying the constitution. You don’t need a Civil Rights Act and you certainly don’t need to inflame historical grievances to the detriment of all those involved. Identity politics is extremely toxic to social relations and the primacy of individual actions. In the political and academic arena, historical grievances are predominately a Jewish fetish.
What kind of Hellenism? You mean classicism (in the broader sense)? I don't think Jews in the West are less appreciative of antiquity than non-Jewish Westerners. Besides, back in those days there were attempts to merge the two cultures (see Hellenistic Judaism and the philosopher Philo of Alexandria).
You’re looking at antiquity from the enlightenment point of view. That’s only one side. Fundamentally Hellenism, as in classical Greek philosophy, largely constitutes a tragic vision of human existence. It’s about learning through experience and empiricism rather than learning from history (and in the process distorting it to suit your own needs). It’s idealistic in a limited sense, on the scale of human action. There’s no single deity with absolute authority. There’s no seed for the unfallibility of ideals. This is why Christianity easily mutated into Marxism to poison so many countries. Christianity produced two strains:
Economic Marxism: “There’ll be paradise if we sacrifice ourselves”
Cultural Marxism: “ There’ll be paradise if we have good intentions and ignore human nature”
This is not a contest. You don't get a prize for having been screwed by history more than someone else has.
Please enlighten your fellow Jews.
Competent, my foot. The technology part may be true, but competent? Hitler overlooked the possibility of developing nuclear weaponry because it was "Jewish science."
Himmler and Speer were extremely competent. Their ability to, respectively, increase war production under strategic bombardment and run a massive forced labor and extermination program was truly exceptional.
Your point about “Jewish Science” is simply wrong. The Germans devoted nearly all their efforts at war production and logistics. If I recall correctly, von Braun really had to make an effort to convince Hitler to let him build the V2. Hitler thought the weapon was too complex and expensive. Don’t mix Hitler’s propaganda with his actual thinking. And don’t forget that he generally considered propaganda to be more valuable than actualities.
The Whole “Deutsche Physik” movement is totally blown out of proportion by people who want to prove the idiocy of the Nazis. Principally, the people who headed the movement many years before WW2 - a couple of prominent physicists - weren’t even Nazis when they started it and they never gained much support amongst the Nazis. Jews were removed from academic positions in 1935 but that had nothing to do with relativity or quantum mechanics.
The Nazi leadership believed, on the insistence of Heisenberg, that they wouldn’t be able to develop a nuclear bomb in time for the war. Heisenberg had strong support in the Nazi movement. He said in 1942 that it couldn’t be done before 1945.
“…..Hitler and the SS were a bunch of maniacs…...”
I agree but they were still more competent than most democratic governments. Try to build in a couple of years an army that nearly succeeds in defeating many of the great powers, from a position of national destitute under the yoke of the Versailles Treaty.
That intelligence is at least partly genetic has recently become a scientific fact. For example, the NPTN gene was found this year (2014) to increase cortical thickness and thus contribute to an estimated 0.5% of intelligence.
A change discovery already found a better polymorphism, perhaps accounting for 3% of IQ variance. That would be 6 IQ points! http://www.economist...y-has-just-been
*edit* My text editor replaced apostrophes with question marks
Edited by cargocultist, 08 May 2014 - 08:53 PM.
