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[Duchykins]

We may agree that he is likely overdoing one or more of his supps, but I don't agree with this approach of belittling and humiliating the OP. Imagine if that were commonplace, people would be less likely to ask for advice about their stacks or side effects and continue going about it alone, which makes things worse both for that person and for the community. The community would be less aware of side effects and the user could seriously injure themselves. These threads are also useful for people lurking and searching for answers to the same questions, and even other thread participants like us stand to learn something new from another poster.

I agree with you, Duchykins. I try to encourage harm reduction, so for example I would support getting clean needles and clean dope for heroin addicts, and teaching them how to shoot up without killing themselves.  I guess I'm not handling this situation quite right, because I repeatedly urged the OP to stop "using", and that's not absolutely required for harm reduction in this case.    Oner might be psychologically addicted to his stack, so stopping it cold turkey may not be in the cards.
 
Oner, if you're reading, maybe you could try to figure out how little of each compound you can get away with while maintaining the state you want or need.  I notice that you included the words "euphoria" and "peace" in the tags for this thread, which is making it sound like you are in fact addicted to your stack.  I'm not being judgmental; I've been addicted to things in my life, as have a lot of people.  If your stack is harming you and you can't stop using it, then it would be a good idea to acknowledge where you're at with it, and go from there.  Whatever you decide to do, you should do it with both eyes open, and not trick yourself into thinking that your stack is essential for your physical health.

+1 to all of this

[ta5]

Oner, it's been a month since your last post. Did you figure out the cause?

[Godof Smallthings]

I now split my Life Extension 1000 mcg L-methylfolate capsules into 3, and take only one per day. A little fiddly, but it works fine, and is a lot more cost effective. I didn't exactly shake, but I felt a bit of anxiety when taking the 1000 mcg dose.

The high levels of some B vitamins in supps seem like a bad idea unless one is trying to correct a *known* deficiency.

[serp777]

Whenever people use ridiculously huge stacks like this I always think it's highly questionable and maybe even dangerous. That's only because of the nature of combinations--no one could currently understand the synergy between all of these different molecules and how exactly the chemistry is going to function. It seems more like supplement roulette to me. 

 

"For example: adderall + benzo + -racetams +  adaptogens + msg??!! how is that healthy....."

It's probably not healthy. Long term effects = unknown. Most of these substances don't have much reliable long term evidence anyways, let alone combinations of 2 or 3. Now combinations of 16-20 is pretty ridiculous. I don't think posting another likely unhealthy stack is good evidence to support your own stack. 

[kurdishfella]

Do you take them before workout? if so could be the gym making you shake after or if you inject any of them