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[featherless]

I am looking for a stack that will improve focus and concentration as well as memory.

 

My experience with nootropics is: Oxiracetam and Choline CDP. I took both at the same time and I just recently found out that the dosage I was using was too high. When lowering my dosage, the effects of Oxi was noticeably greater.

 

However I still have a problem. I am very erratic and my attention span is very relative. I like to learn things and when I find something I like I focus on it intensely. However, when I am trying to learn something that is not too enthralling to me I get so extremely distracted and move on to a different subject. This is a huge downfall when studying. Oxiracetam helped my memory but it did not help my studying.

 

I want to try something new and I want to maximize my long term memory, focus, and mental endurance.

 

I haven't looked through all of the available nootropics yet but I seem to like what I see from Noopept or Pramiracetam.

 

I don't know how credible some of these places are that post info since most of them are places that sell the product, but prami seems to help with long term memory, focus, and "unlocking areas of though (?)". The unlocking areas of thought bit apparently is Prami's ability to activate both the left and right side of the brain bringing a new sense of innovative thought. Could just be marketing. Noopept however apparently does not build tolerance but still helps focus and memory, but I saw nowhere that states specifically long term memory but I assume it is implied.

 

I heard that Alpha GPC is extremely helpful to stack with nootropics. What else stacks well? I heard L-Theanine and Caffeine Anhydrous helps focus as well.

 

My current possible stack is: Noopept/Prami, Alpha GPC, ALCAR, Caffeine Anhydrous, L-Theanine, and Choline Bitartrate.

 

Is this a good stack? What about for concentration, focus, and long term memory? What are some recommendations, pros/cons to this stack?

 

Thanks.

 

Edit: I just read up on Phenylpiracetam. This seems like the exact thing I would like to try. The only downside is apparently you can't take it multiple days at a time since the body builds a tolerance. Is there a way/stack to reproduce Phenylpiracetam that can be taken on a more regular basis or maybe possibly daily?

Edited by featherless, 21 April 2014 - 09:33 PM.

[Ritchie]

Your stack looks good, choline bitartate has a lot of trouble passing the BBB though so don't expect any nootropic effect from it. I heard Citicoline is better for this purpose. For concentration and focus, try looking at dopamine precursors such a L-tyrosine(Weak precursor) or Mucuna Pruriens(Strong precursor). Just remember that dopamine depletes serotonin so if you decide to go the way of precursors, you need to supplement with the precursor to both these neurotransmitters(5htp for serotonin and L-tyrosine or Mucuna Pruriens for dopamine).

 

You could also look at supplementing with anti-oxidants as they are almost always beneficial(Cysteine is a good one).

 

I almost forgot to ask, how does your diet, exercise regimen and sleep schedule looks like. Make sure it is perfect because no nootropic will help as much as good diet and a good night sleep coupled with physical fitness.

 

Also, are you on any sort of medication? Some of them could be supressing your catecholamines(Dopamine, norepinephrine, adrenalin) so yeah.

 

 

[featherless]

Diet is very unpredictable. As of recently, I've been keeping higher tabs on it and trying to keep a well rounded diet.

 

Sleeping habits are very bad. Because of how focused I get on certain things I will forget to sleep until it is too late. On average, 4-5 hours of sleep. My organization with time in general is very poor.

 

Exercise is light. It exists however it is not extensive. Biking, running, a lot of walking. Aerobic activities mostly. I however do have access to a full gym.

 

No medication whatsoever and none in the past.

 

Turns out I have citicoline already, I just knew it as CDP Choline.

 

I also read into something called cLTP? Forskolin and Artichoke extract? I'm not sure if this is for me but there was a long thread about it.

 

Thanks for the serotonin/dopamine mention! I definitely need a mood regulator: when I took oxiracetam alone without citicoline I became intensely depressed. I will add 5-htp (in the form of Griffonia Seed Extract?) and Mucuna Pruriens.

 

After doing some reading, I am thinking of changing the stack to Noopept/Phenylpiracetam. Noopept daily and Phenylpiracetam when I really need it due to tolerance issues.

 

So right now: Noopept/Phenylpiracetam, citicoline, Mucuna Pruriens, 5htp, Alpha GPC, ALCAR, L-Theanine, and Caffeine Anhydrous.

 

What are some diet recommendations? Right now all I am doing is taking vitamin B complex, keeping potassium up, keeping blood sugar up, and ~1.5g of omega3. Other than that, it is random fruits, vegetables, meats, and snacks on a fairly balanced level.

[Ritchie]

There were some issues with 5-htp concerning heart valve damage. A safer option would be L-tryptophan but they are not availible unfortunately. Try eating more bananas as they are high in tryptophan. There are some concerns about Mucuna Pruriens because it contains L-Dopa which is linked to serious side effects, however none of the side effects of pure L-dopa has been documented with Mucuna Pruriens. Which leads to the conclusion that there are probably other substances in the plant which counter-balances and controls the L-dopa. L-tyrosine is the precursor to L-dopa and is much safer however it is significantly less effective.

Here is the examine.com article about it: http://examine.com/s...ucuna pruriens/

Look at this link and decide for yourself if you wil take it.

 

As for diet reccomendations, try looking for a multivitamin, and try downloading cron-o-meter on your phone to track your nutrition.

 

In terms of sleep try to take a sedative to help. Kava works well and is non-addictive. You could also try magnesium and chamomille tea. Kratom is very strong but also posseses opiate activity and as such is addictive so use it very conservatively.

 

 

[featherless]

Haha alright, well, no 5htp for me. Change those two additions to bananas and L-Tyrosine (Nalt right?)

 

I generally eat around two bananas a day. Is that too much? Not enough? One in the morning and one for lunch.

 

As far as sleep goes, I never actually have problems sleeping. I can sleep pretty easily once I lie down. I don't have insomnia issues or anything like that, it is just that I lose track of time when I get sucked into something. That is just purely a discipline issue, but i'm sure there is a supplement for that too haha (jokes, i'd rather fix it myself. big issue, easy fix).

 

As far as L-Tyrosine goes, if it is not as effective I can just up the dosage right? I read around 300-500mg is a good daily dose.

 

Also, with phenylpiracetam, how much of a gap should I have between doses for tolerance not to kick in? I heard some people take it around 3 times a week and it is fine. Can you attest to this?

Edited by featherless, 22 April 2014 - 12:40 AM.

[Ritchie]

Okay, well try to fix the sleep issue because sleep deprivation could litterally be causing half of your symptoms. Two bananas a day are fine, you can eat up to five a day just keep in mind they are high in calories so you should try to exercise more if you eat more bananas. You can take up to 2g of tyrosine a day without any issues so 500mg is fine. Just make sure to incorporate an antioxidant as increasing neurotransmitters without an antioxidant can lead to oxidative stress which is really bad. So try adding some green tea or coca tea(my personal favourite) as they are high in antioxidants, supplementing with Cystein is fine too.

Try to use phenylpiracetam only occassionally due to the very strong tolerance it produces. 3 times a week is ok, but the longer gap you wait in between, the stronger the effects will be when you start using it again.

[featherless]

Thank you so much for the help Ritchie, everything you've said has helped a lot.

 

Is ALCAR a acceptable form of antioxidant? If not I will grab some from the local pharmacy.

 

Isn't 2g of tyrosine a high dose? The recommended I have seen is 300-500mg a day.

 

I think I am pretty satisfied with this stack. Before I order, maybe a final opinion:

 

Morning/Breakfast:

 

Noopept: 15mg

Alpha GPC: 300mg

Citicoline: 500mg

NALT: 300mg

ALCAR: 250mg

Caffeine Anhydrous: 100mg

L-Theanine: 50mg

 

Noon/Lunch:

 

Noopept: 15mg

Alpha GPC: 300mg

Citicoline: 500mg

NALT: 300mg

ALCAR: 250mg

Caffeine Anhydrous: 100mg

L-Theanine: 50mg

 

Phenylpiracetam: 100-300mg 1-3/week for specific tasks

 

Other recommended supplements: Banana (tryptophan), B complex, Mineral complex (calcium, magnesium, and zinc), antioxidants, coca tea, omega3 (1-3g/day).

Edited by featherless, 22 April 2014 - 01:43 AM.

[Ritchie]

 

Thank you so much for the help Ritchie, everything you've said has helped a lot.

 

Is ALCAR a acceptable form of antioxidant? If not I will grab some from the local pharmacy.

 

Isn't 2g of tyrosine a high dose? The recommended I have seen is 300-500mg a day.

 

I think I am pretty satisfied with this stack. Before I order, maybe a final opinion:

 

Morning:

 

Noopept: 15mg

Alpha GPC: 300mg

Citicoline: 500mg

NALT: 300mg

ALCAR: 250mg

Caffeine Anhydrous: 100mg

L-Theanine: 50mg

 

Afternoon:

 

Noopept: 15mg

Alpha GPC: 300mg

Citicoline: 500mg

NALT: 300mg

ALCAR: 250mg

Caffeine Anhydrous: 100mg

L-Theanine: 50mg

 

Phenylpiracetam: 100-300mg 1-3/week for specific tasks

 

Other recommended supplements: Banana (tryptophan), B complex, Mineral complex (calcium, magnesium, and zinc), antioxidants, coca tea.

 

 

Your Welcome! I'm glad I could be of use

Sorry for my mediocre english.

I don't believe ALCAR is an antioxidant, still it would be benficial to take it anyway.

The reccomended dose of any supplement is generally very low incase somebody oversensitive decides to take it, 2g of tyrosine is the maximum but 500 mg is fine also, you could experiment with the doses to see which one works best.

Keep in mind that the higher dose of L-tyrosine you take, the higher amount of bananas you should eat.

Also, you say you want to take caffeine in the afternoon, exactly how late in the afternoon do you mean?

You should try to take caffeine as early as possible because of insomnia.

 

On a side note, while coca tea is benficial, and I enjoy it alot, it does contain cocaine so it is illegal. It is still rarely prosecuted an you can even find it on amazon.com but if you don't want to deal with the illegality of it, green tea should be fine too.

 

 

 

[featherless]

Some places regard ALCAR as an antioxidant some don't. I'll just grab a separate antioxidant just in case. I meant lunch instead of afternoon haha, my mistake, I agree, I won't be taking caffeine too late. No idea coca tea had cocaine. Hmm. I am experimental but maybe not that experimental. Your english is perfectly understandable.

 

I will keep the dosage in mind. Does that mean I should increase the dosage for all of my supplements? I based them off of the recommended dosages.

[Ritchie]

Some places regard ALCAR as an antioxidant some don't. I'll just grab a separate antioxidant just in case. I meant lunch instead of afternoon haha, my mistake, I agree, I won't be taking caffeine too late. No idea coca tea had cocaine. Hmm. I am experimental but maybe not that experimental. Your english is perfectly understandable.

 

I will keep the dosage in mind. Does that mean I should increase the dosage for all of my supplements? I based them off of the recommended dosages.

 

Try experimenting with the dosages, start off at maybe half of the reccomended dose and slowly increase, try them seperately to see how you react. Some people are very sensitive, and some are not sensitive, just try them one by one and listen to your body. Coca tea does have cocaine but don't be fooled, it is completely harmless. If you don't want to it then no harm down, just use green tea instead. Both of them have great health benefits along with antioxidants.

[featherless]

Good stuff. Thank you so much for the insight! When everything comes in and I test it out I will post back and let you know how it turned out.

[Ritchie]

Good stuff. Thank you so much for the insight! When everything comes in and I test it out I will post back and let you know how it turned out.

 Your very welcome

[featherless]

Just got everything today. Used the lowest recommended dosage of everything for the first time. The stack tasted wretched compared to my previous Oxiracetam + citicoline mix (Everything is powder form). I'll keep you posted on how well this stack worked for me.

[Ritchie]

Good luck!