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IS THERE EVIDENCE FOR ISLAM?

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#1 shadowhawk

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 01:12 AM


IS THERE EVIDENCE FOR ISLAM?

The same question has been asked of Atheism and Christianity.  What is the evidence to support ISLAM one way or the other?

To get the topic off, here is the famous video that everyone has been talking about that supposedly started the riots, killing four Americans in Benghazi.  It is a major topic in America today.  Looking at the videos are they poorly made but are the events found in the Holy books of Islam?  Should you go to jail for making videos such as these?

http://www.pcworld.c...th-changes.html
http://www.stafaband...f_muslims_full/

http://www.theblaze....ibya-yesterday/

http://www.theblaze....ibya-yesterday/
http://www.liveleak....=990_1347905326

http://dailycaller.c...egypt-and-libya
 


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Posted 23 May 2014 - 02:29 AM

These posts are getting tired. Why make all of these threads when there could just be the one?



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Posted 23 May 2014 - 02:41 AM

These posts are getting tired. Why make all of these threads when there could just be the one?

So what would you suggest as the One topic?



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Posted 23 May 2014 - 10:04 AM

These posts are getting tired. Why make all of these threads when there could just be the one?


It's a divide and conquer.


Atheism is compared to theism and found equal in the sense that they are both "beleif systems" by which we live. This "equalization" is then used to make atheism less scientific and theism more scientific, making them equally scientific. After that all bets are off since theism is in reality completely fictional, but this logical stunt fallacy makes theism scientific. So, fiction becomes science by this strike of a logic fallacy and shadowhawk gains his ground to spew fiction as fact declaring that the universe must have a border and outside the border must be God and that all he said is science, not fiction or religion.

On the other hand, religions of Christianity and Islam are not emphasized to be equal in the sense of being "beleif systems" as that is obvious to all. So, the argument he used to "drag" atheism down to the level of religions is skipped over in the other threads as it is taken for granted. Noone should notice it. Since atheism is discussed in another thread.

But in fact, if we apply the same principle that he used to "devalue" atheism we can only conclude that all such "beleif systems" are equal in purpose, we use them to guide ourselves. This conclusion is in fact true but is not what he's after. He needs atheism devalued, Christianity uphieved to be the only truth and Islam "allowed in spite of moral transgressions" because christians are so forgiving.

So the islam thread discusses islam transgressions while the same thing is deemed discussion derailing and off topic in the christianity thread. The islam thread talks about islam discriminating other religions. In the christianity thread posts about christians burning non-christians at the stake, inventing slavery etc is declared to be off topic and discussion derailing or red herring. Posts about Islam actually allowing Christianity while at the same time Christians burned all non christians and the period laster for centuries are also deemed off topic.

So, that's why he needs separate threads. He can not possibly add up all his argumentation into a coherent system that does not contradict itself. So he divides his mind and argumentation to three distinct "battle fields" and he has a ready "magic the gathering deck" for "fighting" each one. It is in fact "discussion derailing" to stray from his magic the gathering deck. All this seems to be a result of him needing attention and validation for his existence. So much vigour into proving something that needs no proof, has no proof by design and is in fact destroyed by proof (proof renders faith into knowledge and thus removes the subjective effect that faith has on people) shows his deep cognitive dissonance.

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 07:04 PM

http://en.m.wikipedi...the_Magnificent

Suleiman gave particular attention to the plight of the rayas, Christian subjects who worked the land of the Sipahis. His Kanune Raya, or "Code of the Rayas", reformed the law governing levies and taxes to be paid by the rayas, raising their status above serfdom to the extent that Christian serfs would migrate to Turkish territories to benefit from the reforms.[46] The Sultan also played a role in protecting the Jewish subjects of his empire for centuries to come.


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Posted 23 May 2014 - 07:15 PM

http://www.camelotin...age/church.html

Most people in medieval Europe were very religious. They took their babies to church to be christened and they were buried in the churchyard. Unlike today, the Catholic church was the only church in Europe and all christians belonged to it. With it's own laws, lands and taxes the Catholic church was a very powerful institution. People knew of other religions and both judaism and Islam had followers in Europe but all non-christians were regarded as "infidels" and treated as suspicious. Jews were expelled from England in 1290 and were persecuted in Europe during the fourteenth century. The Catholic church was based at Rome and headed by the Pope. People did occasionally try to set up other churches such as the Cathars in twelfth century France and the Lollards in fifteenth century England. Most people believed though that everyone should believe in one religion and the strongest at that time was the Catholic church, so Christians who opposed the Catholic church were treated harshly. The Cathars for example were condemned by the pope for believing that everything on earth was created by the devil and a crusade against them was launched. In the next 26 years thousands of them were slaughtered until they were all wiped out.

The Catholic church was run by the clergy. Man of them worked as priests in the parish churches - almost every village had it's own church and priests had considerable influence over the people. He could force them to attend church and punish them in the church court if they refused



so you see the high number of christian belelivers is based on hegemony and evil, not free will. It was enforced for centuries throughout europe in horrific ways. While throughout the same period islam was kind to other religions and all of them survived with little problems.

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#7 shadowhawk

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 07:28 PM

I see some people can't read the topic and want to derail the subject. ;)


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Posted 23 May 2014 - 08:52 PM

No, you implied that islam is not tolerant of other religions. I directly countered that.
You also used the argument of christian faith having the highest number of followers to uphieve christianity as the 'most true' religion and at the same time claiming tolerance of other religions.

Truth is christianity owes its high population but more so highly influential population to centuries of forced baptising and violence and a complete lack of tolerance. Christian society inflicted almost total genocide and culturocide of two continents while plundering everything in sight. They reinvented slavery and submitted the indigenous population of a third continent to it while at the same time baptising them by force and comitting yet another culturocide by atrocius means. The continent of africa, since coming in touch with christian society suddenly started a streak of unspeakable genocides lasting to this day. Australia the last continent employed and still employs horrible imigration laws. The christian society dropped two atom bombs. Wherever christians went they comitted genocie, culturocide and plunder by means of violence or corruption. They have succesfully succesfully corrupted the entire world and now 'police' it, thanking their high material status to centuries of most atrocius abuse all over the planet. The christian churches were the leaders of corruption early on, but eventually lost power and compromised beyond recognition to suit the modern consumer era of meaniglessness.
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 10:06 PM

The topic is about Mohammedanism, the monotheistic religious system of Muslims founded in Arabia in the 7th century and based on the teachings of Muhammad as laid down in the Koran/Quram.  There are three holy sources in Islam.  The Quran, the Hadith and Sharia Law.  The Koran is directly from Allah, The Hadith are the authoritative traditions of what Mohammed did and Sharia Law is the moral code and religious law to apply Islam to government.

 Mohammedanism is also referred to as Islam, Islamism, Muhammadanism, Muslimism.

There are five types of Islamism:
1. Mahdism
2.  Salafi movement
3.  Shiism
4.  Wahabism
5.  Ismailism

These five types correspond somewhat to Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Protestantism in Christianity.
You may Google this to find out more.

The topic, Is There Evidence for Islam.

 

 

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 11:32 PM

Who are the Dhimmi?

Sura 9:29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth [even if they are] of the People of the Book [i.e., Jews and Christians], until they pay the jizya [tax] with willing submission and accept that they are subdued.

Jews
Christians
Sabians
Zoroastrianism
Mandaeism
Hindus
Buddhists
Hanafi, legal school of Islam applied the term to all non Muslims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi
http://www.dhimmitude.org/
http://wikiislam.net...de_(definition)
https://www.princeto...ocs/Dhimmi.html
http://www.jewishvir...ands_(gen).html

 

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#11 shadowhawk

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 11:35 PM

WHAT IS THE QURAN?


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Posted 24 May 2014 - 02:59 AM

Why does athiesm need evidence? That's super illogical.

 

That's like saying a-leprechaunism, or a-santa clausism, or a-celestialteapotism needs evidence.



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Posted 24 May 2014 - 11:11 AM

The topic is about Mohammedanism, the monotheistic religious system of Muslims founded in Arabia in the 7th century and based on the teachings of Muhammad as laid down in the Koran/Quram.  There are three holy sources in Islam.  The Quran, the Hadith and Sharia Law.  The Koran is directly from Allah, The Hadith are the authoritative traditions of what Mohammed did and Sharia Law is the moral code and religious law to apply Islam to government.

 Mohammedanism is also referred to as Islam, Islamism, Muhammadanism, Muslimism.

There are five types of Islamism:
1. Mahdism
2.  Salafi movement
3.  Shiism
4.  Wahabism
5.  Ismailism

These five types correspond somewhat to Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Protestantism in Christianity.
You may Google this to find out more.

The topic, Is There Evidence for Islam.
 
 
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You dont own the forum or the topic. Fuck you. Ill talk about whatever I want. You opened those cans of worms, now eat shit. Ill tear your holyness a new asshole. Ill drive you into schizophrenia. Ill show all your horrible flaws as a human being. And it will all be on topic because all this is about you anyway.
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Posted 24 May 2014 - 08:57 PM

Peace :)



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Posted 25 May 2014 - 11:33 PM

Speaking of peace did Islam in its beginning expand by peace?  From 623 to 777, a span of 154 years, there are 83 military conflicts involving the Muslims . .  Google these sources.  Also here are a few web sources to get you started.
http://www.britannic...e-early-battles
http://www.ranker.co...ttles/reference
http://www.albalagh....tory/rise.shtml
http://www.answering...ls/tt1/tt3.html
http://en.wikipedia....eer_of_Muhammad
http://www.britannic...e-early-battles
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    570--Birth of Muhammad in Mecca into the tribe of Quraish.
    577--Muhammad's mother dies.
    580--Death of Abdul Muttalib, Muhammad's grandfather.
    583--First journey to Syria with a trading Caravan.
    595--Muhammad marries Khadijah, a rich widow several years older than him.
    595--Second journey to Syra.
    598--His son, Qasim, is born.
    600--His daughter, Zainab, is born.
    603--His daughter, Um-e-Kalthum, is born.
    604--His daughter, Ruqayya, is born.
    605--Placement of Black Stone in Ka'aba.
    605--His daughter, Fatima, is born.
    610--Mohammed, in a cave on Mt. Hira, hears the angel Gabriel tell him that
    Allah is the only true God.
    613--Muhammad's first public preaching of Islam at Mt. Hira; gets few converts.
    615--Muslims persecuted by the Quraish.
    619--Marries Sau'da and Aisha.
    620--Institution of five daily prayers.
    622--Muhammad immigrates from Mecca to Medina, which was then called Yathrib, gets
    more converts.
    623--Battle of Waddan.
    623--Battle of Safwan.
    623--Battle of Dul-'Ashir.
    624--Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
    624--Zakat becomes mandatory.
    624--Battle of Badr.
    624--Battle of Bani Salim.
    624--Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr.
    624--Battle of Bani Qainuqa'.
    624--Battle of Sawiq.
    624--Battle of Ghatfan.
    624--Battle of Bahran.
    625--Battle of Uhud; 70 Muslims are killed.
    625--Battle of Humra-ul-Asad.
    625--Battle of Banu Nudair.
    625--Battle of Dhatur-Riqa.
    626--Battle of Badru-Ukhra.
    626--Battle of Dumatul-Jandal.
    626--Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah.
    627--Battle of the Trench.
    627--Battle of Ahzab.
    627--Battle of Bani Quraiza.
    627--Battle of Bani Lahyan.
    627--Battle of Ghaiba.
    627--Battle of Khaibar.
    628--Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish.
    630--Muhammad conquers Mecca.
    630--Battle of Hunsin.
    630--Battle of Tabuk.
    632--Muhammad dies.
    632--Abu-Bakr, Muhammad's father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to
    enforce Islam in Arabia.
    633--Battle at Oman.
    633--Battle at Hadramaut.
    633--Battle of Kazima.
    633--Battle of Walaja.
    633--Battle of Ulleis.
    633--Battle of Anbar.
    634--Battle of Basra.
    634--Battle of Damascus.
    634--Battle of Ajnadin.
    634--Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph.
    634--Battle of Namaraq.
    634--Battle of Saqatia.
    635--Battle of Bridge.
    635--Battle of Buwaib.
    635--Conquest of Damascus.
    635--Battle of Fahl.
    636--Battle of Yermuk.
    636--Battle of Qadsiyia.
    636--Conquest of Madain.
    637--Battle of Jalula.
    638--Battle of Yarmouk.
    638--The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem.
    638--Conquest of Jazirah.
    639--Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt.
    641--Battle of Nihawand.
    642--Battle of Rayy in Persia.
    643--Conquest of Azarbaijan.
    644--Conquest of Fars.
    644--Conquest of Kharan.
    644--Umar is murdered.  Othman becomes the Caliph.
    647--Conquest of the island of Cypress.
    644--Uman dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman.
    648--Campaign against the Byzantines.
    651--Naval battle against the Byzantines.
    654--Islam spreads into North Africa.
    656--Uthman is murdered.  Ali become Caliph.
    658--Battle of Nahrawan.
    659--Conquest of Egypt.
    661--Ali is murdered.
    662--Egypt falls to Islam rule.
    666--Sicily is attacked by Muslims.
    677--Siege of Constantinople.
    687--Battle of Kufa.
    691--Battle of Deir ul Jaliq.
    700 --Sufism takes root as a sect of Islam.
    700--Military campaigns in North Africa.
    702--Battle of Deir ul Jamira.
    711--Muslims invade Gibraltar.
    711--Conquest of Spain.
    713--Conquest of Multan.
    716--Invasion of Constantinople.
    732--Battle of Tours in France.

    740--Battle of the Nobles.
    741--Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa.
    744--Battle of Ain al Jurr.
    746--Battle of Rupar Thutha.
    748--Battle of Rayy.
    749--Battle of lsfahan.
    749--Battle of Nihawand.
    750--Battle of Zab.
    772--Battle of Janbi in North Africa.
    777--Battle of Saragossa in Spain

 

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 01:08 AM

What are the Jinn?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn
http://www.islamreli...es/669/viewall/
http://www.islamawar...Jinn/world.html
http://www.thejinn.n...rld_of_jinn.htm
http://aliftheunseen...-types-of-jinn/
http://www.inter-isl...faith/jinn.html
http://www.al-islam....-satan-and-jinn
http://www.pantheon....les/j/jinn.html
https://answers.yaho...12215708AA9mkG8





 

 


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Posted 26 May 2014 - 11:12 PM

what happened to the other thead ? It seems to have vanished ( I haven't been here for a week).  Did Shadowahwk finally prove that muslims killed all martians and 90% of the earth population ? 


Edited by BlueCloud, 26 May 2014 - 11:16 PM.


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Posted 26 May 2014 - 11:23 PM

Nah, he's still sticking to all religion is nice but christianity is nicest..

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 11:23 PM

Someone complained because we used the name Mohammedanism.   Perhaps in America this is not permitted.  No disrespect intended and this is a proper name for Islam.  I have no problem with Islam and hope someone does not take offense also.

 

http://www.longecity...am/#entry664408

 

 



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Posted 26 May 2014 - 11:30 PM

Why are you then listing battles of islam and questioning the violent nature?

While completely ignoring and calling "off topic" or "discussion derailing" when the same attempt is made in the christianity thread? Have not the christian nations since the inception of christianity committed the most horrible acts against humanity, culture, other religion?

Why is that the topic of discussion here and not there and the threads are titled equally and meant to be discussed in parallel fashion?



I think all of these shadowhawks threads require serious consideration at this point. This kind of sly biggotry is seriously offensive. And he's now diluting it with uncalled for explanations of islam as if it they're on topic while in fact random facts about religion with no comment are NOT the topic. he is using it as if it was his private world where he teaches the truth to a class of retards and the truth is also damn ugly and biggoted.

Edited by addx, 26 May 2014 - 11:36 PM.


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Posted 26 May 2014 - 11:31 PM

WHAT IS THE JIZYA [TAX] ??


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 12:08 AM

I didn’t talk about the battles of Islam, I listed them because they were part of the early expansion of Islam.  Are there comparable battles in Christianity in its early history?  Its early expansion was largely through slaves and Jews.  These battles are discussed all over the internet, are you also accusing them of being bigots.  Before You said, “You don’t own the forum or the topic. Fuck you. Ill talk about whatever I want. You opened those cans of worms, now eat shit. Ill tear your holyness a new asshole. Ill drive you into schizophrenia. Ill show all your horrible flaws as a human being. And it will all be on topic because all this is about you anyway. “   http://www.longecity...am/#entry664530

Peace
The topic is about Islam.  Perhaps if you want controversy you could tell what is wrong with the tape which is causing all the controversy here in America.  What is wrong with it?  Everyone agrees it is poorly done but what is wrong with what it portrays.  I didn’t say it is right at all.  I am not preventing you from enlightening everyone concerning Islam.  Go ahead.


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 10:44 AM

I didnt talk about the battles of Islam, I listed them because they were part of the early expansion of Islam.  Are there comparable battles in Christianity in its early history?


So we are limited to early history now? Where does the topic state that? And how convenient is that limitation to show Islam as religion of war and Christianity of peace and martyrdom? Bigot.

Its early expansion was largely through slaves and Jews.  These battles are discussed all over the internet, are you also accusing them of being bigots.


Again you try to hide behind others. I've already told you once. This is about YOU. YOU and YOU alone are detected by the entire presence of humanity in this forum to be a horrible person. I know you think you mean best and delude yourself to be spreading some truth but the truth you're selling shows horrible biased viewpoints, ignorance and disguised hate. Look into your soul man.

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Posted 27 May 2014 - 06:03 PM

I didn't limit you to early Islamic History.  Talk about later history.  How about the Armenians under the Islam in Turkey for a start.  Tell us about that. The topic is not about me but you added something new.  All I asked you was a question.  PEACE...

 

addx:  YOU. YOU and YOU alone are detected by the entire presence of humanity in this forum to be a horrible person

 

You dont own the forum or the topic. Fuck you. Ill talk about whatever I want. You opened those cans of worms, now eat shit. Ill tear your holyness a new asshole. Ill drive you into schizophrenia. Ill show all your horrible flaws as a human being. And it will all be on topic because all this is about you anyway.


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 08:55 PM

I didn't limit you to early Islamic History.  Talk about later history.  How about the Armenians under the Islam in Turkey for a start.  Tell us about that.


No, you tell us why you are repeatedly making such points here and purposefully evading same kind of points in the Christianity thread.

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Posted 27 May 2014 - 10:21 PM

This is about Islam not some other religion.  Please say something meaningful.  Tell us what happened to the Armenians .   YOU TALK.

Now is your chance.


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 11:08 PM

This is about Islam not some other religion.  Please say something meaningful.  Tell us what happened to the Armenians .   YOU TALK.
Now is your chance.


Wow, how dramatic! Thank you for this chance o great .... decider of things...
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Posted 28 May 2014 - 12:59 AM

 

This is about Islam not some other religion.  Please say something meaningful.  Tell us what happened to the Armenians .   YOU TALK.
Now is your chance.


Wow, how dramatic! Thank you for this chance o great .... decider of things...

 

No change.  What happened to the Armenians under Islam?  Recent history.


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Posted 28 May 2014 - 10:48 AM

This is about Islam not some other religion.  Please say something meaningful.  Tell us what happened to the Armenians .   YOU TALK.
Now is your chance.


Wow, how dramatic! Thank you for this chance o great .... decider of things...

No change.  What happened to the Armenians under Islam?  Recent history.


If you're interested in that, go google it. Why do you want me to talk about it? What lesson are you trying to teach me? Might it be the lesson called "Islam is horrible and shadowhawk is a bigot"?

You're also mimicking my own attitude towards you, posts issuing commands like this were made by me towards you usually during moments where you're in an obvious corner. It seems you remembered how it made you feel, so you want to make me feel like that now. But it made you feel like that because you were cornered by your ignorance, not because it's some magical attitude that works every time and you can "use it back" whenever you feel like it.

It's just attacking instead of defending, and in order to attack something you invent straw man. I'm not the one comparing religions on biased terms across multiple threads, you are, and you're transferring this to me. As if I'm taking the opposite stand than you. I'm not, I'm transcending your stand and see religion as a cultural phenomena, not something you can be "more right" at.
So I don't feel responsible to answer any such questions. But you are responsible for your biased "discussion/thread directing" which everyone notice is biased so answer the questions.

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 07:20 PM

addx: If you're interested in that, go google it. Why do you want me to talk about it? What lesson are you trying to teach me?


Of course not, you have nothing to say, but to flame me.  What a farce.

Now to repeat, what happened to the Armenians under the New Islamic Turks?  It was a Holocaust of Christians.  No wonder you don’t want to talk about it.  I did Google it.  Here are a few of many results.
 http://en.wikipedia....menian_Genocide
http://www.armenianw...enian-genocide/
https://www.umd.umic...s/genocide.html
http://www.genocide-...an_genocide.php

 You want to talk about modern Islam?  Here are some more questions.  What is happening to other religions in the Sudan?
http://www.rescue.or...FWXJijOCE_D_BwE
http://en.wikipedia....i/War_in_Darfur
http://csi-usa.org/s...xc6wL8Vc__D_BwE

addx, are you the least bit concerned or do you  just want to call me names?

 
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