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Eidetic, Photographic Memory - Cracking the formula

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#121 Junk Master

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 06:18 AM

Insufflating 20-30mg of Noopept definitely has an effect for me-- quite positive.  I like to pair it with an ongoing intra-insulin cycle, then give both a rest for a month or two.

 

Lately, I've been convinced the combo of lose dose caffeine/moda/and lion's mane/reishi might have something to it.

 

In any event, I find low moda and mushroom coffee from four sigmatic to be quite promising.



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Posted 17 February 2017 - 09:49 AM

Insufflating 20-30mg of Noopept definitely has an effect for me-- quite positive.  I like to pair it with an ongoing intra-insulin cycle, then give both a rest for a month or two.

 

Lately, I've been convinced the combo of lose dose caffeine/moda/and lion's mane/reishi might have something to it.

 

In any event, I find low moda and mushroom coffee from four sigmatic to be quite promising.

 

But how you compare this effect to the topic which is eidetic memory? I have used probably over 10g of noopept and it may had  some good effect on memory but for me nothing compared to being eidetic and now it gives me only brainfog so i stopped using it.



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Posted 17 February 2017 - 04:17 PM

Insufflating 20-30mg of Noopept definitely has an effect for me-- quite positive. I like to pair it with an ongoing intra-insulin cycle, then give both a rest for a month or two.

Lately, I've been convinced the combo of lose dose caffeine/moda/and lion's mane/reishi might have something to it.

In any event, I find low moda and mushroom coffee from four sigmatic to be quite promising.


But how you compare this effect to the topic which is eidetic memory? I have used probably over 10g of noopept and it may had some good effect on memory but for me nothing compared to being eidetic and now it gives me only brainfog so i stopped using it.


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 04:24 PM

Don't believe that will come from a traditional pill. All of the above are just pieces in the puzzle to increase focus and mental stamina.

To truly crack the code I think we would have to go beyond mnemonic techniques and drugs/supplements-- though I still believe we have much room for improvement there (micro doses of novel hallucinogens, intercranial magnetic stimulation).

I think we'd be looking at inducing compensatory plasticity a la stroke victims, synesthetics...

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 07:10 PM

Most important thing is that we are looking for possibility of developing eidetic memory which is  kind of visual memory not very good or nearly perfect normal memory. Eidetic memory which would be short term one is still a good thing(remembering objects like pages of books with perect recall for less than lets say hour), mind would not have too much informations. Imagine if your mind makes 100 mental snapshots per second and would store it inside your brain, that sounds like a best way to lose senses. I have a big motivation to crack this code but not as big to try dangerous nootropics or hallucinogens, especially if they are expensive. Having this ability only after dosing a experimental sustance and possibility of getting huge negative side effects is not good IMO.


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Posted 18 February 2017 - 09:36 PM

This is Longecity.  People here inject Cerebrolysin, as well HGH, Testosterone, designer steroids,  and all manner of Peptides.  IMO this is the cutting edge of the Brainhacking/Bodyhacking movement.  

 

Sure there are plenty of posts about what form of vitamin B is best, or polyphasic sleep etc, but if you are looking for some one who has tried something waaay out there and you send out a few PM'S I know for a fact you can find say, someone who has had an elective trepanation surgery (drilling a hole in your head) in an attempt to improve memory.  In

 

In fact, a few PM's not only put me in contact with a surgeon willing to preform an elective DBS or deep brain stimulation surgery on me to supposedly improve short term memory function impared by my 14 years of playing football-- for somewhere between $60,000 and $90,000.  I didn't even bother to see how cheaply I could get the operation done in say Thailand, India, or...Tijuana.

 

Point being, Noopept is FAR from expensive.  Even in a small quantity, say 5 grams, it's $7.99.  Since I had a very positive N1 response with 20 mg, that 8 bucks lasts 250 doses or roughly a YEAR.  I would venture to guess that's a small fraction of what 99% of the coffee drinking population spends on their Starbucks fix.

 

Then there's the "danger" in micro-doses of psilocybe, which I consider to be far less dangerous than taking OTC fat loss herbal formulations-- by far!  Probably less dangerous than drinking unfiltered tap water in urban areas, or using a brand of multi-vitamin from China.  Far less dangerous than eating at most fast food restaurants.

 

I could go on and on.

 

BTW the kind of short term memory you describe above isn't a fantasy, it's relatively easily achieved.  The catch is it requires PRACTICE, and the sort of onerous practice not many people are willing to put in.

 

I can point you to a book:  The Key to Study Skills by Anna and Lev Goldentouch (with Suraj Sharma)

 

Or if you'd like there are many free training techniques on Lev's blog www.keytostudy.com.

 

I have no financial interest in either the book or Lev's website, but I CAN tell you I have been diligently practicing a number of his techniques and have been able to increase my reading speed and retention from an above average 400 words per minute with 80% retention to close to 800 words per minute with the same or better retention.

 

With continued practice I fully expect to break the 1,000 word per minute barrier with the same retention.

 

However, when we make the leap into Kim Peek of Rain Man fame, who can read one page with each eye, and take in 10,000 words per minute, I really believe synesthesia becomes necessary.

 

Another example of a Nobel Prize Winner with synesthesia is Richard Feynman.  He claimed to see vague pictures of equations like Bessel functions in different colors.

 

Supposedly, neurologists have discovered anyone who preforms certain daily exercises can develop this a modicum of this skill-- IMO that's like saying because a Monk who has meditated eight straight years in a Himalayan cave can have subtle influences over body temp, resting pulse etc, that ANYONE who meditates can do it.

 

Point being, I believe I'm not alone as a long time member of this site in saying I'm most interested in methods of biohacking that show real scientific promise of effecting nearly "transhuman" change without having to live in a cave, or spend $90,000 for someone of dubious medical ethics to drill a hole in my skull.

 

The code you hope to crack seems eminently crackable with some hard work.  However, if there is a way to do so in far less time with relatively little cost and little danger, that's what I'm all about.

 

 


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Posted 20 February 2017 - 10:51 PM

I didn't say Noopept is expensive...Its very cost-effective since effective doses start from 10mg and as you wrote gram of this substance is relatively cheap. Point is that it doesn't improve visual memory. If we are talking about getting a real eidetic memory then it should be 100% retention, like with those 10 thousands of dots which Elizabeth has memorized and recalling poetry written in a foreign language that she did not understand years after she had first seen the poem. We are talking about this meaning of eidetic memory or just very good normal memory, not mental snapshots? This first(snapshots) option would make possible to memorize a book in minutes and quote it back with perfect recall and as we know from Elizabeth case its possible to have such ability.


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 06:02 PM

This simple app looks interesting as we are talking about visual memory, dots have no numbers or some marks so using mnemonics is probably impossible in this one:

https://play.google....ox.visualmemory


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Posted Yesterday, 05:42 AM

Hmmm...think I have certain Autistic Spectrum traits-- high functioning after years of CBT/therapy and nootropic research-- but I've always had a visual memory and I believe many people "on the Spectrum" do.

 

So, for me, substances that increase "focus"-- nearly every substance banned by the FIDE Chess Organization:

 

Modafinil, Adrafinil, Armadofinil,  small doses of Phenibut with all former...large doses of piracetam, smaller doses of both Phenylpiracetam, and especially phenylpiracetam hydrazine; even caffeine in combo with L-theanine (to a lesser extent)...all help my visual memory.

 

Honestly, object focused meditation, if I do it on a regular basis is a very powerful tool.

 

I'd say aerobic exercise if done over 40 minutes at least five times a week is also very powerful.

 

 


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Posted Yesterday, 10:53 AM

Even though it's not exactly what you're looking for. It's probably the closest thing you'll get, as a training program that will give you similar results to a photographic memory.

 

Check out pmemory, a.k.a GMS (Giordano Memorization System).

 

Basically their claim to fame, is this mnemonic system will allow you to memorize entire books word for word.

 

I've been on the forum and dabbling in the system for the last 5 years. And though I've never been able to attain a decent level of it. I can see it would definitely be possible to memorize a book word for word.

 

The minimum passing skill people need to develop, is memorizing 300 random elements at 6 seconds each. However most people find lowering the seconds down to 3 seconds is easier for memorization (quicker means more focus and less mind wondering). So people who do get to this level, usually end up memorizing 300 elements at 3 seconds each. 900 secs = 15 minutes.

 

Each element is usually a FC of a 2 digit number. 

 

So essentially they would memorize the following in 15 minutes:

 

 

78 57 10 38 64 60 57 63 68 32 51 47 35 19 74 78 39 86 93 45 68 62 11 91 84 52 74 19 24 24 62 97 97 67 21 3 31 22 53 52 65 38 27 88 2 83 74 86 47 49 47 61 72 83 75 92 60 88 32 75 73 91 55 45 37 9 87 43 78 75 69 17 74 58 35 97 22 34 49 26 97 52 61 66 21 15 38 8 45 19 28 90 19 45 98 63 97 91 25 71 7 93 43 69 88 94 82 73 5 77 70 87 40 53 66 56 85 16 71 20 89 61 13 91 68 76 41 54 89 49 42 46 98 67 69 95 54 42 55 14 22 68 21 3 36 59 66 96 23 78 76 23 72 88 11 35 92 29 9 40 98 24 27 57 67 91 61 73 85 70 20 1 52 45 55 65 56 82 30 3 79 25 67 49 33 26 9 68 95 12 25 61 43 32 65 14 42 48 13 54 30 53 19 53 43 26 54 24 14 46 33 94 69 95 91 30 10 65 72 46 22 81 47 97 98 45 5 13 88 32 95 85 94 42 5 31 95 31 76 77 6 91 43 85 52 45 76 6 55 2 45 27 50 37 76 84 6 13 87 50 25 81 9 76 4 67 53 20 29 35 74 16 47 90 39 54 38 63 48 81 74 52 5 30 91 2 56 73 47 36 49 60 63 5 36 34 68 12 67 20 79 15 52 3 43 83 23 36 63 15 25 70 99 24 37 79 41 97 84 62 61 75 77 51 8 91 3 72 98 35 46 47 16 47 20 4 57 42 14 68 1 47 16 78 74 67 57 53 16 3 99 73 78 33 90 96 42 1 5 80 41 1 9 4 12 12 98 97 63 91 12 94 34 60 78 84 4 18 24 78 54 64 33 86 68 32 16 28 45 71 86 92 43 1 71 61 93 38 64 51 76 76 20 26 55 80 95 73 64 65 22 17 1 59 33 38 10 29 63 57 57 11 71 16 89 74 24 31 16 4 28 78 85 85 49 18 51 97 87 22 85 31 97 14 54 44 68 11 40 61 22 45 58 24 17 26 38 66 60 40 25 21 99 31 47 55 45 6 40 57 62 22 53 6 84 98 72 74 39 59 85 94 95 82 10 91 33 3 68 7 71 43 10 17 67 85 85 64 2 59 7 3 65 32 22 45 76 24 26 96 8 68 48 44 29 76 63 24 51 84 22 87 3 43 5 18 16 67 82 74 91 58 86 97 52 64 52 20 98 33 96 30 87 56 78 38 85 90 18 62 40 67 81 45 44 8 83 71 29 85 63 38 53 51 38 63 2 59 49 1 4 4 87 21 56 37 29 27 24 89 57 27 29 4 21 34 59 53 91 58 53 85 48 90 9 37 31 25 24 14 

 

That is the minimum pass criteria for the text memorization course, and people can achieve that with enough practice. One guy went up to 1000 elements (2000 digits).

 

Remember these are people who have trained their memories, as opposed to being born with it.

 

So that's just the connection skill. People also need to train their encoding and decoding skills when it comes to words.

 

But just from this example of the minimum pass exam. The average page of a book has 250-300 words. As long as they can represent each word as 1 image (thus one element) when encoding. A person can commit to memory 1 page of a book every 15 minutes with 100% accuracy.

 

But it ain't easy. Training your visualization skill and mental ability is a real bitch. You need a mindset like no other. The pass rate for the course itself is only like 1-2%. But I believe there is enough evidence and people who have done it, to prove it is definitely possible, to memorize entire books word for word in a short amount of time.

 

One person who passed became the memory champion of Sweden and is in the top 20 of the world.


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Posted Yesterday, 07:51 PM

Its hard to visualise a abstract thing or some name as a single image. Mallow's 3 digit system makes possible to memorize 500  digits in 5 minutes. 3 digit is one word and you put it in memory palace - hard to master it and its only for images, i dont think that in memory championship there is a memorization of text in specific time. Most people use images and palace system to memorize only keywords like 1 word for every line of text - not very useful if its not a poetry but complex scientific text. Anyway any mnemonic system is not close to be an eidetic memory.


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Posted Today, 09:46 AM

I don't think you know what you're talking about. You train your brain for encoding and decoding words as single images (including abstract words). For example the word "magical" in my mind is a magic hat (magic) which has a mouth on it calling (cal). The magic hat and mouth aren't 2 separate images, they are 1 imaginative image (which should be conjured up by the brain in a second or less). Another example is the state of Tennessee, which in my mind is a sea of tennis rackets. So if we have 3 seconds. You take 1 second to conjure up the image and 2 seconds to connect. Or 2 seconds to conjure the image, and 1 second to make a connection.

 

Like I said, you train your brain for encoding and decoding, just as  you train your visualization skill and connection ability. These are only hard to you or any other normal person, because you haven't trained your mind for it. You saying "Its hard to visualise an abstract thing or some name as a single image." is the same as saying "It's hard to memorize 600 digits in 15 minutes". Of course it's hard for the untrained person; but for the trained person, it's entirely possible. 

 

The memorizing 300 random elements within 15 minutes, where each element represented a 2 digit number (thus 600 digits in total), was just one example of training. In the same software, you have the option to memorize random words. Here's an example of what pops up and you need to memorize within 3 seconds, taken straight out of the text file the software uses:

 

 

astriferous

astrild
astringe
astringency
astringent
astringently
astringer
astroalchemist
astroblast
astrocaryum
astrochemist
astrochemistry
astrochronological
astrocyte
astrocytoma
astrocytomata
astrodiagnosis
astrodome
astrofel
astrogeny
astroglia
astrognosy

 

Now tell me these words aren't abstract enough for you. Yet people train by encoding these and making a connection within 3 seconds. 

 

As for bringing up Mallows 3 digit system, that means nothing. I was only using an example of the standard pass criteria students have to reach for text memorization. Which is 300 elements at 6 seconds an element (most of whom do it at 3 seconds an element). And each element was a figurative code representation of a 2 digit number (0-99). Pmemory also has figurative codes to represent all the 3 digit numbers too (0-1000), and there are people who train hard enough to get down to 2 seconds an element; thus meaning you could memorize 90 digits a minute (450 every 5 minutes). But unless speed is really that important to you, which it would only be if you were competing in memory championships. Then doing 300 elements at 3 seconds an element, would allow you memorize a page of 300 words verbatim, in 15 minutes, should be plenty fast enough.

 

I am not saying this is eidetic memory. What I'm saying is it is entirely possible for normal people to train to a level of memorizing entire books and pages verbatim, in a short period of time.


Edited by manny, Today, 09:55 AM.


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Posted Today, 09:53 AM

 

Then doing 300 elements at 3 seconds an element, would allow you memorize a page of a 300 words verbatim, in 15 minutes.

 

Genuine eidetic memory like Elizabeth's one could make possible to do it in 1 second or less. I have experimented a lot with mnemonic system and memorized a lot numbers with major system but being fluent in using those mnemonics is not even close to having an eidetic memory. I'm following this topic since 2 years but only if i gonna be 100% sure that eidetic memory code is not possible to be cracked i will focus on mnemonics.


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