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#1 Luminosity

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 04:02 AM


How alive are you right now?



#2 Danail Bulgaria

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 06:24 PM

Haha

 

how alive I am now? Well, alive enough to answer :D

 

 

 


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#3 serp777

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 09:45 PM

Living forever sounds pretty bad. I cannot imagine forever, but I imagine that eventually I would get bored of everything at some point because of murphy's law. 

 

It also wouldn't be possible to live forever based on murphys law, since we exist in the realm of the countable infinities


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#4 ADVANCESSSS

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 08:50 AM

No, repeated things are awesome for eternity! And infinite new things too, like foods and places in the created utopia and girl is most attractive to "you" ect and there is no countable infinity because the infinity is infinity, it's infinity! And a consciousness wants to stay, stay conscious and aware.



#5 serp777

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 08:54 PM

What you're forgetting is that there are multiple kinds of infinity, RF1, RF2, RFN,etc.

 

"One of Cantor's most important results was that the cardinality of the continuum c9a972007073f0910c7cfb51b859bed9.png is greater than that of the natural numbers 23e6b2e6d7c0a64172918906a01cbc39.png; that is, there are more real numbers R than natural numbers N. Namely, Cantor showed that 2afafb83dcba18749211f4ebebecace0.png (see Cantor's diagonal argument or Cantor's first uncountability proof)."

 

http://en.wikipedia....f_the_continuum

 

"No, repeated things are awesome for eternity!"

How does one reach eternity in an incrementing amount of time? There are infinitely many numbers on the number lines. It's not possible to live for eternity, because you will never reach eternity. 

 

"there is no countable infinity because the infinity is infinity, it's infinity!"

False. The mathematical evidence I gave you above shows that the cardinality of real numbers is greater than the cardinality of natural numbers, even though they are both infinite. This is due to the fact that there are also infinitely many real numbers between any integer values, in addition to the infinite number of integer values. 

 

ALso read: http://en.wikipedia....Uncountable_set


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#6 A941

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 11:04 PM

I have to say that i never really grasped how there are more real numbers, because both sets are infinite.

Yes i know how cantor proved it, but it still wont fit in my head ;-)

 

 



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Posted 07 July 2014 - 12:12 AM

I have to say that i never really grasped how there are more real numbers, because both sets are infinite.

Yes i know how cantor proved it, but it still wont fit in my head ;-)

 

 

 

Yeah clearly the human mind is not all that good at understanding infinities, because it's not a concept we really needed during evolution.

 

Zero is a similar number in a lot of ways because an infinite number of equal negative and positive integers summed will be zero; zero contains both the positive and negative infinities in a weird kind of underlying symmetry.

 

But suppose you tried to do this with all of the REAL numbers. For example, how does one express PI? Well you can't--you'd have to write an infinite number of decimal places, and no fraction could express pi. But even moreso, there are also an infinite number of numbers like PI that cannot be expressed as a fraction. In this way, it is called an uncountable infinity, which is why it is bigger--not because the infinite property is bigger in one or the other, but because one has a property that the other does not have. With more properties, it means it is larger, since it contains the countable infinity as well. 

 

In that sense the real set is a bigger infinity than the set of all natural numbers.  



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Posted 07 July 2014 - 04:20 AM

That's a bit crackpoty there um maybe reality check lol...infinite is infinite particle activities and conscious activities, and numbers are numbers, and numbers and words are meaningless and have nothing to do with my post above, only the actual-(particles) infinite or repeated things I talked about is what is the reality and ya...


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#9 serp777

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 05:05 AM

That's a bit crackpoty there um maybe reality check lol...infinite is infinite particle activities and conscious activities, and numbers are numbers, and numbers and words are meaningless and have nothing to do with my post above, only the actual-(particles) infinite or repeated things I talked about is what is the reality and ya...


So mathematicians and mathematical proof is crackpoty? Your words are the only meaningless thing here. Your grammar is still atrocious too

Edited by serp777, 07 July 2014 - 05:06 AM.

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#10 ADVANCESSSS

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 08:30 AM

How could you say that when I just overly proved the truth...no math and talkingness words, it's what I just said above, which is um reality. And whatever I said above...

 

To the topic, like the first replyer above said, well even more exactly, we are conscious, we each know it~


Edited by ADVANCE, 07 July 2014 - 08:33 AM.


#11 A941

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 08:12 PM

We have to remember that Mathematic is an abstract language to describe reality, a language which is very good in doing so, but as far as we can tell only in a certain range of our experience, sometimes it my fail completly to make the world more "computable" (if I may say so).



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Posted 22 July 2014 - 01:19 PM

Yes i know how cantor proved it, but it still wont fit in my head ;-)

 
You can *count* integers: 0,1,-1,2,-2,... You can easily do that with the rationals, try it yourself. The point is the construction of a *bijective map* goo.gl/szKvoS between the natural numbers (or a subset) and the set we want to count. Real numbers are not quite easy to grasp if you don't like math books: the Greeks knew that x the square root of two (that is the length of the diagonal of a square with side of length one, remember Pythagora) is not rational (there are no natural numbers p,q such that x=p/q); you end up with a geometrical length that you cannot mathematically *measure* with rationals. By extending them (this is the hard part) so that to include the square root of two and other special numbers that arise in modern math you build the real numbers. The easy part is demonstrating that there exist no bijection between the integers and this new class of numbers goo.gl/9lgxm3 (you can't count them using naturals numbers): since naturals are infinite, it's said that reals represent a new type of infinity. Sorry if your already know that.



#13 redFishBlueFish

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 03:59 AM

No I do not want to live forever. Humans are too sadistic to be worth hanging around.







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