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#1 GoDavidGo

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 06:54 AM


[TL;DR] Years ago (I was ~16) I realized that I was constantly experiencing brain fog. In time after that I developed superhuman anxiety and depression. And eventually horrid IBS symptoms daily. I always contributed these psychological elements to my allergies (i would hock up phleghm 50+ times a day, and even had trouble speaking past all of it). But after taking Quercetin regularly this June I had absolutely no allergy symptom, as in phleghm, watery eyes etc.
I had tried every single supplement  I could track down to deal with the crippling anxio-depression and brain fog. Save for extreme dosages of methylphenidate and phenibut daily for years, I could never keep my mind running correctly. EVERY racetam you could purchase, every vitamin, supplement, research chemical... Nothing stopped my anxiety, I couldnt even have a conversation 85% of the the time.

I was at the end of the line, I had marked off every single potential cause of this down the list, I stopped going to the doctor 3 years ago because they only sucked me dry financially and gave me NOTHING but a long list of misdiagnosis and awful anti-depressants.
I had some thought about intestinal worms, since I work on a farm (among many other hobbies and professions) I couldnt help thinking how I have to deworm animals 4+  times a year but humans don't deworm themselves... and we eat way more riskier things. [/TL;DR]


The World Health Org. states parasites are a higher risk than cancer, and 1.4B people have some sort of harmful parasite, 10-20% of people in the US itself...

Curiosity got the best of me, and I went to the co-op and bought the cheapest ivermectin syrup. Took it (~15mg) @ 3am on the the 7/15/14 and went to bed, at 7am I woke up with cramps and grumbling and rushed to the bathroom, and there came out my faeces laced with 200+ 6mm long 'ropey' worms, some tangled about eachother, completely lifeless... second bowel movement that afternoon showed ~50 corpses, and the following since then absolutely none.

Upon observing these creatures I was obviously very shook up. Within 48 hours after ingestion, the change was black and white... I had NO brain fog, even immediately waking up (I had never had a brain fog free period between 10am-5pm), I had ZERO anxiety, and I felt exponentially more 'aware/awake'
My sister and my best friend who both have struggled with psychiatric problems + GI diseases took equivalent doses. Their results still pending.

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I replicated my diet tightly the next two days to verify the corpses were not fibers from vegetables/snacks.
And I am very familiar with colon mucus and anomalies, so these are not.

I cannot identify what species they are, and they appear to have some sort of membrane (much like mucus) which hide their true color.

Enclosed are a picture of the parasites, the one on theright is actually two of them wrapped around eachother. My microscope is subpar so could not get a decent magnification.  They strongly resemble 'ropeworms' that website talks about that tries to sell you 'coffee enemas', though the existence of said Rope Worms are involved in scientific controversy.

I am a VERY hygienic person, I wash my hands often (OCD), i cook vegetables, and cook meat with a thermometer, and i rarely eat out (and smart enough to NEVER eat uncooked food like salads etc at restaurants).


Can anyone identify these?

 

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#2 ZHMike

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 03:12 PM

where did you get the ivermectin? md prescribed?  crazy post, very informative


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#3 GoDavidGo

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 03:12 AM

I got the ivermectin at Tractor Supply.
3.95 for 7+ human doses...

inb4 "veterinary use only dude!"


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 04:46 AM

interesting, i hope there is some follow up on this.

i'm sure somebody on longecity will be able to shed more light on these parasites



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Posted 24 July 2014 - 04:58 PM

I have had these 'rope' like threads for a few years now ever since switching to an alkaline diet. Rope 'parasites' are a very recent phenomena and are quickly becoming a common occurrence in people from all around the world. I have seen hundreds of these ropes. Are they worms? No they are unable to move and have no mouth or digestion. Laboratories examining these 'ropes' always claim they are mucus casts. Are they a form of yeast or biofilm? Maybe they are worm shaped and form along center threads and many often get intertwined with others giving a rope like appearance. I have started to wonder if they could be electron bacteria, these bacteria do not eat but absorb electrons and can grow on a central thread. Are they somehow living on people with higher body PH?  When my body is in a state of high inflammation these 'rope' things are seen. The ropes become totally absent when I have low inflammation. Are these 'rope' parasites? Yes because when these 'ropes' get expelled there is a total feeling of wellbeing and zero anxiety. Since childhood ADD-PI with inflamed throat mucus and sinus issues but I only first experienced these 'ropes' when starting an alkaline diet. I don't think anyone knows just yet what is occurring.


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 08:44 PM

Can anyone identify these?

 
@GoDavidGo: Your picture shows parts of a banana. Those large "sausage links" are hard to digest parts. Often, a banana ovule (aborted seed) is attached to a strand like this. You can sort of see these strands in the left part of the cross section of the fruit:

banana2b.gif


They are hard to see in a fresh fruit, because all parts are translucent, but in intestines they are stained by bile and thus become visible. You can see them in a fresh fruit by staining a cross section with diluted gentian violet. But the stained fresh fruit will never look exactly like a pooped parts, 'cause all the surrounding cells that contain starch and sugars have been removed by digestive enzymes.

Also, your first post looks like a repost of advertisement of some "herbal anti-parasite" concoction. Modern day diagnostic methods can pick up any parasite and there are very effective drugs to treat whatever may be discovered. If you're concerned, you should see a specialist.

Intestinal parasites are very rare in the US. And the evidence for those that occur usually cannot be seen without a microscope. The most reliable diagnostic methods are based on antibodies.
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#7 jaiho

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 05:30 AM

is it safe to take invermectin in humans?

Surely there are treatment methods for parasites that we dont have to goto a pet store for



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Posted 04 August 2014 - 10:08 PM

I'm not an expert on intestinal worms, but from my understanding, almost all of them are light in colour; white, off-white, peach, etc. The most common in North America is the pinworm and they are about the size of what you showed in that picture, however, they are white/off-white. And they wouldn't cause "brain fog" *(derealization) or other psychiatric symptoms

 

Other intestinal worms are very rare in the USA. Especially if you haven't traveled outside of the country. There is some risk in certain areas of the Southern USA because of poor sanitation of contracting ascaris (roundworm), but again, it is rare. 

 

Do you inspect your stool regularly? Most people, especially if heavily infected like you say you were, would see some worms in their stool every so often, which would prompt them to seek treatment.

 

I know what it is like to have anxiety, I have GAD and DESNOS. The thought of worms living inside of me freaks me the hell out, big time. I'm not saying it is not possible that you had intestinal worms, however at this point it looks very much like fibres or some other food that you ate. The relieve of the "brain fog" and other symptoms could have been purely psychogenic.

 

Sorry that I can't help you out much otherwise.



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Posted 24 August 2014 - 07:48 PM

Would be great if you could get them under a proper microscope. We could then tell you if it is actual worms.



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Posted 09 September 2014 - 05:55 AM

It is a pity that you did not perform stool analysis before you killed off these parasites, as then you may have identified the parasite. Genova Diagnostics do a good stool analysis (their Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis 2.0).

 

Here is a list of parasite organisms that can infect the gut: Parasite Organism Chart. Your parasite may have been one of those.


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#11 lourdaud

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 06:55 AM

Minocycline worked very well for my (suspected) t. gondii infection.



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Posted 30 October 2014 - 12:55 PM

I would think that any infection with larger parasites would mostly lead to symptoms which are based on physical factors (e.g. general weakness, impared organ function, immune system overdrive and nutrient deficiency) and only therefore will lead to psychological symptoms like fatigue, brainfog, etc. I don't believe that you can have one without the other, even with extremely small and specialized parasites like in toxoplasmosis or fox tape worm you will still only get most mental effects through the whole inflammation and organ-attack route. It sounds very fishy to me that you felt 'mostly cured' after 48 hours. The stuff you were taking also isn't exactly made for deworming large animals. Most notably when you look it up on wikipedia, you will see that it messes with GABA so much that neurotocicity is the 'main concern' with this drug. So I guess whatever you experienced was caused by the direct neurological effects of the stuff and did not relate to anything you found in your excements.

 

If you search "colon clense" on youtube you can look at a huge collection of detox nutjobs basically just digging in their shit and drawing all the wrong conclusions. This whole parasite/toxin logic belief system has esotheric qualities and is more insane than UFO sightings imho especially concerning the overlaps between science and pseudoscience.

 

Regardless, I just ordered DOLPAC large dog deworm for 30 euros on ebay. You are right that it makes no sense that humans are never dewormed, considering it virtually has no disadvantages. Parasites are commonplace in nature and we cannot just rely on the cleaner artificial ideal environments we have created to raise our food in, there is always a fair chance in all the decades we have lived. Some stupid fox shits on your mushrooms, you buy them in the supermarket, only once, and your liver will be slowly eaten away in the next 10 years. This is how it goes. Deworming should be common practice like vaccination imho.



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Posted 31 October 2014 - 12:38 AM

If you search "colon clense" on youtube you can look at a huge collection of detox nutjobs basically just digging in their shit and drawing all the wrong conclusions. This whole parasite/toxin logic belief system has esotheric qualities and is more insane than UFO sightings imho especially concerning the overlaps between science and pseudoscience.

 

You got that right.   Kind of like this very thread.  Did anyone read xEva's post about the banana parts?  It often seems like people read the first post and then start writing without reading the rest of the thread.



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Posted 07 November 2014 - 12:02 AM

So I took this DOLPAC large dog deworm stuff 3 pills many hours ago and it basically has no effect whatsoever. I will report if anything meaningful happens.


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Posted 14 November 2014 - 12:58 AM

I think I said that people would say the banana fiber explanation but I rarely eat bananas and did not (to my knowledge) eat a banana or any form of smoothie prior (I even replicated my diet for 2-3 days as close as I could). There is one axiom for certain, and that is I actually felt way different when it came to brain fog, it was what got me into smart drugs/nootropics. I spent years trying to figure out why I always felt like I had cold-like malaise, and after I dosed ivermectin I had none of this, even after heavy nights of drinking. I presume if the specimens in the photo are in fact plant material, then perhaps my parasites were microscopic.

But here's my update:
After about a month of feeling the best of my life... my IBS came back (to a lesser extent) and my anxiety returned (with less depression). Brain fog was non-existent (I thank god every night I took the ivermectin just to deal with that)

I redosed ivermectin but this didnt seem to remarkably improve anxiety and depression as the first run did (so I'm not going to solemnly swear against that being placebo) I didnt see anything out of the ordinary.

My sister and a family friend both dosed ivermectin because of how dramatic my change was (I went through dozens of Rx drugs and research chemicals trying to fight brain fog) my sister saw change in her IBS and nothing else (she's 25, 130lbs, major digestive problems and issues with gall bladder), and the family friend saw reduction in brain fog and increased energy (He's 42, vegetarian, 165lbs. I presume vegetarians uncooked meal tendencies may actually increase risk of parasite infection)
They still maintain their effects, but either haven't since redosed.

My brainfog was to the point even driving and conversations were sometimes impossible.
 

Additional Thoughts

During my original post and now I've brought up this experience to people, and I've learned deworming yourself is not at all as taboo as I originally believed. One of my clients who Ive done renovations for told me his father used to give him and his siblings deworming medicines every 6 months, and a colleague said she deworms herself every year because she's had multiple parasite infections since childhood.

My first post may have sounded like an ad but I insist 'ROPE WORMS' ARE PROBABLY NOT REAL, AND DONT SHOOT COFFEE UP YOUR ASS. If you think you have a parasitic infection, or you're completely out of ideas (like myself marking down a list from depression to thyroid to allergies) then see a doctor, or (I advise the layman against this) dose yourself with an appropriate dose of the right chemicals (ivermectin can be dangerous to some people)

And make sure your pets are dewormed before thinking about yourself!

 

 

 

Can anyone identify these?

 
@GoDavidGo: Your picture shows parts of a banana. Those large "sausage links" are hard to digest parts. Often, a banana ovule (aborted seed) is attached to a strand like this. You can sort of see these strands in the left part of the cross section of the fruit:

banana2b.gif


They are hard to see in a fresh fruit, because all parts are translucent, but in intestines they are stained by bile and thus become visible. You can see them in a fresh fruit by staining a cross section with diluted gentian violet. But the stained fresh fruit will never look exactly like a pooped parts, 'cause all the surrounding cells that contain starch and sugars have been removed by digestive enzymes.

Also, your first post looks like a repost of advertisement of some "herbal anti-parasite" concoction. Modern day diagnostic methods can pick up any parasite and there are very effective drugs to treat whatever may be discovered. If you're concerned, you should see a specialist.

Intestinal parasites are very rare in the US. And the evidence for those that occur usually cannot be seen without a microscope. The most reliable diagnostic methods are based on antibodies.

 

 



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Posted 14 November 2014 - 01:54 AM

I can only recommend DOLPAC large dog deworm. It is super-cheap on ebay and I had no side-effects whatsoever (except that it has an ugly odor and that my farts smelled like it for 1-2 days). It is very easy to use and the same ingredients are used exactly the same on humans. The stuff only works inside the intestines by paralyzing the worms and is not really absorbed into the body at all.


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 01:14 AM

I think I said that people would say the banana fiber explanation but I rarely eat bananas and did not (to my knowledge) eat a banana or any form of smoothie prior


David, the picture you posted _is_ banana fiber, with 100% certainty.

Regarding your idea about deworming yourself regularly, like farm animals, you have to take into account that humans generally do not eat off the ground or graze on grass where other animals poop. A better method is improved hygiene, especially when it comes to eating. Another risk is picking berries in the woods that grow less than 2 feet off the ground. This generally works in the US or Canada. Add to this avoiding walking barefoot in the southern states and you are pretty safe here.

As for your dramatic improvement after ivermectin-induced purge, that all there could be to it. Various digestive disorders often come with chronic constipation, and that alone can cause toxicity and associated brain fog and depression. In the 19th century castor oil purge was the first thing a doctor would order for just about any complaint.

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Posted 29 November 2014 - 06:33 PM

I don't think these are worms either. If I was suspecting that I am infected with intestinal parasites I'd let my blood check. Parasite infection usually causes eosinophilia and eleveted level of IGE.


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Posted 04 May 2016 - 06:04 PM

Just some things to share:

  • Nitazoxanide - safe antihelminthic/antiparasitic with a broad spectrum, effective against viruses and some bacteria as well. Is gaining in usage for C. difficile infections. Inexpensive at online pharmacies
  • The worms/parasites/viruses etc would have been affecting your metabolism and you've since developed nutrition deficits in some areas.
  • Alcohol can kill some parasites
  • Ivermectin probably has some antiviral spectrum as well as being an antihelminthic, whether it's been studies well or is simply known theoretically by those with a strong microbiology education is another thing.

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 11:08 PM

Well, the whole thing here is to kill DNA of a parasite. There is no reason to kill parasite itself because it may reproduce later. So what I have studied that you should not kill the bacteria other than destroying the environment. There are two drugs that I know that would help in 90% of cases - albendazole and mebendazole. I hope this information will help someone.



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Posted 22 December 2017 - 01:31 AM

The meds to take depend on the worm in question. Usual ID is by the eggs.

 

re banana fiber, they are often mistaken for worms. But anyone can see them  with a 10X lens in a fresh banana. Here is how:

 

those "strands" are part of the strips that are found just beneath the banana peel.The strips may be up to 5mm wide, running the whole length of banana. Sometimes they come off with the peel and sometimes they remain attached. Removed, they leave a shallow groove on the surface.

 

Each of these strips contain several "strands" in question, running in parallel. You'd need to somehow remove the starch granules from the cells (normally digestion does it) and use a stain to reveal the central vacuole.  At home, you can use diluted gentian violet as a stain. (a drop of gentian violet for ~50mL of water). 

 

And yes, many people thought they were "parasites" because, digested, a "strand" looks like a chained little worm, but actually that's just typical for plant cells huge central vacuoles linked by pit connections.  The central vacuoles absorb bile from the GI tract which stains them. But in a fresh banana they are transparent and obscured by starch granules that densly pack the cell -- which makes them difficult to see, until you stain them. 



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Posted 27 June 2020 - 05:13 PM

I would be suspicious that the positive felt effects from the ivermectin on the OP's anxiety and depression were due to minor influence of the drug on his / her GABA balance. The drug is not supposed to cross the human blood brain barrier to any significant degree, but I would suspect that there is some effect in the brain through some mechanism (feedback into the brain from peripheral action of the drug, some of it crossing into the brain, etc). 

 

It's through the GABA / glutamate balance that the drug exerts its lethal effect on parasites.  For the OP, the anxiety and depression stayed away for awhile, came, back, and then the ivermectin didn't work on the anxiety and depression upon redosing. An experience that would closely mirror that of a very low dose benzodiazepine for a lot of people. I'm not stating that ivermectin works just like a benzo. Only that there may be a similar-enough cross action responsible for the OP's temporary mood improvement. 


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