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[Y13N1]

What are the best general nutrition resources? Factors of a resource's quality include how strong the evidence that it's based off it, how detailed it is (preferentially stating estimates for the optimal levels of nutrients), and how much irrelevant or repeated information it has.

 

The nutrition source seems decent and seems to be based of strong evidence, but it lacks specific estimates for optimal intake of nutrients, and instead makes statements like "Getting enough of X is important, but too much is bad." It also has much repeated and irrelevant information.

 

The CR Way is another resource. I haven't read it yet, so I can't tell much about it, but it seems to be focused on calorie restriction instead of general nutrition.

 

The dietary reference intake is another source. It is detailed since it give specific quantities for recommended nutrients, but is largely based off very weak evidence: opinions.

 

The academy of nutrition and dietetics seems promising, but I've looked at it little.

 

What is the best nutrition resource you've found?

 

Apologies for making so many rather similar posts, but I've yet to find a good nutrition resource, so I'm asking more specifically this time.

[bracconiere]

   Well you can use one of the diet plans, there are many, to guess it out. Or you can use the best scientific evidence and cron-o-meter, and use the governments RDA's.

 

Most people hate using cron-o-meter and prefer to have guidelines. I don't find using cron-o-meter any harder than keeping a check book though...As with all scientific fields it's always advancing, and as far as I'm concerned I shoot for about 200% RDA of all my essential nutrients without supplements from food using cron-o-meter, and figure I'm doing good....

[drew_ab]

I personally like www.nutritionfacts.org if you consider it a resource --  though some people argue he's got a bit of a plant-based bias. Dr. Greger's work is fairly well researched.

Edited by Drew_ab, 26 August 2014 - 07:52 PM.

[Y13N1]

   Well you can use one of the diet plans, there are many, to guess it out. Or you can use the best scientific evidence and cron-o-meter, and use the governments RDA's.

 

Most people hate using cron-o-meter and prefer to have guidelines. I don't find using cron-o-meter any harder than keeping a check book though...As with all scientific fields it's always advancing, and as far as I'm concerned I shoot for about 200% RDA of all my essential nutrients without supplements from food using cron-o-meter, and figure I'm doing good....

 

I want to use the best scientific evidence. Where can I find it? It seems Cron-o-meter doesn't give diet information, as it just makes it easy to keep track of one's diet. It seems the government's RDA's are not comprehensive, as they don't seem to mention phytochemicals and some other nutritients, and they don't seems to mention glycemic load or carcinogens in food.

[bracconiere]

Uh phytochemicals aren't essential to the diet.....nutritiondata.com has the glycemic load stuff and inflammation factor incorporated into their diet planning...What other nutrients doesn't the RDA's cover? I believe they cover all the nutrients that are actually essential to the diet....All the other stuff in my opinion is largely marketing companies looking for something to slap on the side of a box to get people to buy it....And why would they establish an RDA for a marketing slogan...

Edited by bracconiere, 27 August 2014 - 05:26 PM.

[bracconiere]

lol, disagree if you want. they wouldn't do it if it didn't work for them.....Grocery stores would hate it if everyone walked out of their store with a week or two's worth of groceries for $10 like me....

 

oh yeah...and the breweries hate me because I can make 10gals of beer out of a $10 bag of rice...

Edited by bracconiere, 27 August 2014 - 07:39 PM.

[misterE]

The best resource is with starch. Starch comes from foods like potatoes, rice, flour, pinto-beans, etc. Not only is this food low in cholesterol and bad-fat, but also low in environmental toxins like pesticides, PCBs and heavy-metals.

Edited by misterE, 28 August 2014 - 12:09 AM.

[misterE]

 

 

I want to use the best scientific evidence. Where can I find it?

 

 

 

 

I would agree with Drew_ab. Nutritionfacts.org is a great start. Although I disagree with his strong love for plant-fats, I think that it is probably the most well-researched dietary advice on the web.
 

[bracconiere]

The best resource is with starch. Starch comes from foods like potatoes, rice, flour, pinto-beans, etc. Not only is this food low in cholesterol and bad-fat, but also low in environmental toxins like pesticides, PBCs and heavy-metals.

 

 

It's also the highest sources of B vitamins vitamin E, and minerals....Just a little bit of fruits and vegetables and you got it made....maybe some seeds for o-3, o-6's....

[misterE]

 

 

 

 

It's also the highest sources of B vitamins vitamin E, and minerals....Just a little bit of fruits and vegetables and you got it made....maybe some seeds for o-3, o-6's....

 

 

The optimal diet in my opinion is a starch-diet with fruits and vegetables... no doubt. As far as the omegas go, that is not an issue as long as you eat enough vegetables. A starch-diet with vegetables provides the perfect amount and ratio of omegas and if you want to be on the safe side, eat some flaxseeds or oysters. Over consumption of omega-6 fat is a huge concern nowadays (perhaps the biggest), even people trying to become healthy make the mistake of eating too much omega-6 in the form of oil, nuts, seeds, avocado, or peanut-butter.
 

Edited by misterE, 28 August 2014 - 12:15 AM.

[bracconiere]

 

 

 

 

 

It's also the highest sources of B vitamins vitamin E, and minerals....Just a little bit of fruits and vegetables and you got it made....maybe some seeds for o-3, o-6's....

 

 

The optimal diet in my opinion is a starch-diet with fruits and vegetables... no doubt. As far as the omegas go, that is not an issue as long as you eat enough vegetables. A starch-diet with vegetables provides the perfect amount and ratio of omegas and if you want to be on the safe side, eat some flaxseeds or oysters. Over consumption of omega-6 fat is a huge concern nowadays (perhaps the biggest), even people trying to become healthy make the mistake of eating too much omega-6 in the form of oil, nuts, seeds, avocado, or peanut-butter.
 

 

 

 

overconsumption is a concern for o-6, if you eat bags of potato chips and fried chicken and what not....I eat about 2oz of sunflower seeds a day for my o-6 and vitamin e, along with 1oz of flax seeds for o-3...If you avoid refined fats and focus on whole foods I think it would be a decent guideline....

[misterE]

 

 

 

overconsumption is a concern for o-6, if you eat bags of potato chips and fried chicken and what not....I eat about 2oz of sunflower seeds a day for my o-6 and vitamin e, along with 1oz of flax seeds for o-3...If you avoid refined fats and focus on whole foods I think it would be a decent guideline....

 

 

I would disagree here. The main purpose of vitamin-E is to protect the oxidation of polyunsaturated-fats. In nature, the only time there is a lot of polyunsaturated-fat (like sunflower-seeds for example), is when it is pared with vitamin-E. So I think that vitamin-E is less of an importance when polyunsaturated-fat is kept to a minimum. And you can keep it to a minimum by eating starches and vegetables.  

Edited by misterE, 28 August 2014 - 12:43 AM.

[kramer91]

 

 

 

 

overconsumption is a concern for o-6, if you eat bags of potato chips and fried chicken and what not....I eat about 2oz of sunflower seeds a day for my o-6 and vitamin e, along with 1oz of flax seeds for o-3...If you avoid refined fats and focus on whole foods I think it would be a decent guideline....

 

 

I would disagree here. The main purpose of vitamin-E is to protect the oxidation of polyunsaturated-fats. In nature, the only time there is a lot of polyunsaturated-fat (like sunflower-seeds for example), is when it is pared with vitamin-E. So I think that vitamin-E is less of an importance when polyunsaturated-fat is kept to a minimum. And you can keep it to a minimum by eating starches and vegetables.  

 

Agreed.

 

The Nurses' Health Study of 2284 women reveals Omega 6 is associated with the shortest telomeres and vitamin e seems to be associated with longer telomeres.

 

If you restrict PUFA, I'd say Vitamin E requirement is significantly reduced.

SOURCE: Cassidy, et al., Am J Clin Nutr. 2010 Mar 10. Nurses' Health Study

Edited by kramer91, 28 August 2014 - 01:59 AM.

[Y13N1]

Uh phytochemicals aren't essential to the diet.....nutritiondata.com has the glycemic load stuff and inflammation factor incorporated into their diet planning...What other nutrients doesn't the RDA's cover? I believe they cover all the nutrients that are actually essential to the diet....All the other stuff in my opinion is largely marketing companies looking for something to slap on the side of a box to get people to buy it....And why would they establish an RDA for a marketing slogan...

From my brief look at nutritiondata.com, it seems to be focused on weight loss rather than general nutrition, making it a poor source.

The best resource is with starch. Starch comes from foods like potatoes, rice, flour, pinto-beans, etc. Not only is this food low in cholesterol and bad-fat, but also low in environmental toxins like pesticides, PCBs and heavy-metals.

 

I think you misunderstand the meaning of the original post. I'm asking about educational resources for learning about nutrition, not specific pieces of advice.

[bracconiere]

if you sign up for a free account at nutritiondata, it has many graphs and vitamin content and all kinds of stuff relating to nutrition. I used it for the first few months of my change in eating habits...Has a lot more than cron-o-meter, but I like keeping things on my system instead of going over the net for it...Besides that, good luck finding whatever it is your looking for...

[bracconiere]

 

 

 

 

overconsumption is a concern for o-6, if you eat bags of potato chips and fried chicken and what not....I eat about 2oz of sunflower seeds a day for my o-6 and vitamin e, along with 1oz of flax seeds for o-3...If you avoid refined fats and focus on whole foods I think it would be a decent guideline....

 

 

I would disagree here. The main purpose of vitamin-E is to protect the oxidation of polyunsaturated-fats. In nature, the only time there is a lot of polyunsaturated-fat (like sunflower-seeds for example), is when it is pared with vitamin-E. So I think that vitamin-E is less of an importance when polyunsaturated-fat is kept to a minimum. And you can keep it to a minimum by eating starches and vegetables.  

 

 

 

Walnuts are loaded with poly's 3 and 6 with virtually no Vit E...

 

 

Never mind I forget the USDA db doesn't have good data for other E's

Edited by bracconiere, 28 August 2014 - 06:58 PM.

[niner]

I personally like www.nutritionfacts.org if you consider it a resource --  though some people argue he's got a bit of a plant-based bias. Dr. Greger's work is fairly well researched.

I'd say that "a bit" is an understatement. He's a vegan ideologue prone to distorting the science to make the points he wants to make.

[bor]

Cochrane database of study reviews are considered by many researchers as the most reliable online medica source. They cover quite some nutrition related topics.

Edited by bor, 10 September 2014 - 03:30 PM.

[Y13N1]

Cochrane database of study reviews are considered by many researchers as the most reliable online medica source. They cover quite some nutrition related topics.

 

Cochrane seems like a good source for researching specific diet topics, but a poor source for finding general information about diet. Still, thanks.