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[640ng]

Himalaya liv.52 double strength for sure

[evilbaga]

No one mentioned Liver powder?

[Dorian Grey]

No one mentioned Liver powder?

 

Dessicated Liver powder/tabs are little more than a good source of iron, which is fine if you need this, however iron accumulation (particularly on men) has been linked with liver inflammation and disease.  

 

http://www.healtheiron.com/

 

Probably unwise to supplement iron unless you;'ve got a documented deficiency, with ferritin below 25 or so.  When ferritin is above 100, lowering iron through blood donation may help with inflammatory liver disease of many origins 

http://www.healtheir.../iron-diabetes1

Edited by synesthesia, 05 December 2015 - 04:36 PM.

[Dolph]

 

No one mentioned Liver powder?

 

Dessicated Liver powder/tabs are little more than a good source of iron, which is fine if you need this, however iron accumulation (particularly on men) has been linked with liver inflammation and disease.  

 

http://www.healtheiron.com/

 

 

But it's the other way round. The inflamed liver quenches out ferritine, which is an inflammatory marker, too, and not just a measure of "accumulated" iron.

[Dorian Grey]

 

 

No one mentioned Liver powder?

 

Dessicated Liver powder/tabs are little more than a good source of iron, which is fine if you need this, however iron accumulation (particularly on men) has been linked with liver inflammation and disease.  

 

http://www.healtheiron.com/

 

 

But it's the other way round. The inflamed liver quenches out ferritine, which is an inflammatory marker, too, and not just a measure of "accumulated" iron.

 

 

True, ferritin is an acute phase protein and can spike a false positive for elevated iron during inflammation and infection when these are in fact occurring.  The false positive inflammation related spikes in ferritin are usually rather impressive, so a result lower than 200 or so is probably a fairly accurate indicator for stored iron.  When ferritin spikes remarkably high, it is more likely inflammation is part of the result.  

 

TSAT (transferrin saturation) will confirm whether or not iron is truly elevated.  Ideally, TSAT should be in the middle third of its normal range, and not up near the top of the range.  

 

The Health-e-Iron site I link to above has an ocean of info on this.  

Edited by synesthesia, 05 December 2015 - 06:02 PM.

[stefan_001]

Perhaps Nicotinamide Riboside could be on the list:
- Higher NAD+ levels were also accompanied by higher sirtuin activity in vivo. A prominent deacetylation of SIRT1 and SIRT3 targets (FOXO1 (Brunet et al., 2004) and SOD2 (Qiu et al., 2010), respectively) was observed in the skeletal muscle, liver and BAT, where NAD+ content was induced by NR

[normalizing]

^ was the study sponsored by Niagen?

[stefan_001]

^ was the study sponsored by Niagen?

This work was supported by grants of the École Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne, Swiss National Science Foundation, the European Research Council Ideas programme (Sirtuins; ERC-2008-AdG231-118) and the Velux foundation. RHH has been supported by a Rubicon fellowship of the Netherlands Organization for Scientific Research and by an AMC postdoc fellowship. EP is funded by the Academy of Finland. JA is the Nestle chair in energy metabolism. AAS received grants to support this research from the Ellison Medical Foundation New Scholar Award 2007 and contract C023832 from NY State Spinal Cord Injury Board. The authors thank Robert Myers, Peter Meinke and Thomas Vogt at Merck Research Laboratories, Rahway and Charles Thomas at Amazentis, Lausanne, for the kind gift of NR, all the members of the Auwerx lab for inspiring discussions and Graham Knott of the BioEM facility at EPFL for EM imaging

Edited by stefan_001, 06 December 2015 - 12:08 PM.

[evilbaga]

 

No one mentioned Liver powder?

 

Dessicated Liver powder/tabs are little more than a good source of iron, which is fine if you need this, however iron accumulation (particularly on men) has been linked with liver inflammation and disease.  

 

http://www.healtheiron.com/

 

Probably unwise to supplement iron unless you;'ve got a documented deficiency, with ferritin below 25 or so.  When ferritin is above 100, lowering iron through blood donation may help with inflammatory liver disease of many origins 

http://www.healtheir.../iron-diabetes1

 

 

The idea that Liver just gives Iron is unfounded.

Older cultures prized organ meats over muscle meat which is the mainstay of western diets. Presumably, ingesting organ meats would help the respective human organ the most.

 

For example, I think I remember reading that Organ meats have a much higher RNA content then muscle meat. There are probably a lot of other good stuff in there as well - documented or not.

 

In the end, it would be a personal decision to supplement with liver powder or not as 'mainstream' science hasn't looked too closely at it. But it is definitely more than just iron.

 

[Dorian Grey]

Nothing wrong with a little fresh liver or other organ meats.  I hear it goes well with fava beans and a nice chianti.  

 

Dessicated liver powder/pills probably don't retain much of the nutrients though.  

[Fenix_]

Abdominal pain I mentioned earlier in this thread was likely caused by GI tract inflammation, not liver. It turned out to be a non-issue.

 

Milk thistle will enhance absorption of berberine, which is also hepatoprotective.

[640ng]

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