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[HealthyLiving]

Hi.

 

Would it be safe for a 25 year old to take the following supplements:

 

 

Everyday: In the morning:

Multivitamin

Omega 3.

Vitamin B12

 

Taurin

B-vitamins

Probiotics.

Grazax

Pommegranate extract

Now foods bone calcium

Stingning nettle

Omega 6 and 9 (everyother day)

 

Evening:

Iron

Magnesium

Lemon balm

Ebastine

 

Cranberry

Zinc and c-vitamin

Vitamin B6

Fiber

Proteinshake

 

Also, is there anything that one should add?

 

 

 

Thanks for answering.

Edited by HealthyLiving, 28 September 2014 - 07:39 AM.

[timar]

Don't supplement iron unless you have a diagnosed iron deficiency anemia or a ferritin level below 50 ng/ml.

 

Which multivitamin and B-complex and B6 supplements do you take? Please provide links to the fact sheets. You may get more B6 from those supplements than safe to take on the long term.

 

Omega 6/9 is a complete waste of money. You'll get enough of them from the diet. The same is true for calcium unless you are a vegan or don't eat any dairy at all. The rest of your regime seems fine.

 

 

Also, is there anything that one should add?

 

Yes, Loratadine and some good quality cortisol. Just kidding... funny that you included Grazax and Ebastine among your supplements, though. Do they have some off-label nootropic effects we should know of?

 

That question is far too generic btw. Everything we know about you is that you are 25 years old...

Edited by timar, 28 September 2014 - 04:47 PM.

[niner]

I agree with everything Timar said.

 

How much of these supplements are you taking?  Dose is the difference between useless, helpful, harmful, and fatal.  Are you male or female?  Do you have any health issues?  What's your diet like?  Why are you taking the things that you listed.  That's a lot of stuff for a (presumably) healthy young person.

[HealthyLiving]

I agree with everything Timar said.

 

How much of these supplements are you taking?  Dose is the difference between useless, helpful, harmful, and fatal.  Are you male or female?  Do you have any health issues?  What's your diet like?  Why are you taking the things that you listed.  That's a lot of stuff for a (presumably) healthy young person.

 

I am a male. Mye diet is pretty good, but there still some nutrients that I don't get enough of unless I take supplements.

 

I have a stuffed nose.

 

I am taking the supplements for good brain function, longevity and just overall good health.

[timar]

Sorry, but if you are too lazy to give serious answers to our questions I don't see why we should give you any further advice.

[HealthyLiving]

Lost my password, thats why I haven't responed.

 

I a also drink milk, but I don't enough calcium from that source. Totally I am taking around 1200-1300 mg of calcium each day.

 

 

Omega 6 is hard to find in a diet, thats why I am supplementing with it.

I've pretty much quitted taurin now, because the long term side effects of is not known.

 

Here's a updated list of what I taking, including the foods that I eat:

 

 

 

Multivitamin (regular)

Omega 3 800 mg.

Hence: EPA 186

DHA 58 mg

Evening Primeroise Oil 200mg

Hence: GLA 20 mg.

 

 

Vitamin B12 (Cyanocobalamin), some days 18 ug other days 54 ug.

 

 

B-vitamins:

Vitamin B₁ (thiamin) 1,5mg

Vitamin B₂ (riboflavin) 2mg

·  Vitamin B₃ (niacinamide) 10mg

Vitamin B₆ (pyridoxine 2 mg

 

Probiotics.

Grazax

Pommegranate extract

 

Amount Per Serving

% Daily Value

 

Pomegranate (punica granatum) (fruit extract) (guaranteed to contain 80 mg [40%] ellagic acid)

200 mg

*

 

Pomegranate (punica granatum) (seed)

150 mg

 

http://www.vitacost....granate-extract

 

Now foods bone calcium, only 1 tablet:

Calcium   250 mg.

Boron 0,75 mg

Omega 6 and 9 (everyother day): Omega 6: 20mg

Omega 9 162 mg

Turmeric (Curcuma longa) (rhizome)  0,72gram

http://www.swansonvi...240-caps#label 

CoQ10 30 mg (swanson)

Vitacost Decaffeinated Green Tea Extract -- 725 mg

http://www.vitacost....rian-capsules-2

 

Breakfast foods:

2 plums, 2 almonds, 2 mangos, 50 gram chicken, 4 dl milk, coffe, around 10 cocao beans. 

1 tomato. Everyother day: Some avocado. Everyother day:Extra virgin oliveve oil.

 

Foods during the day:

2 dl milk, 1 egg, about 1 scoop of whey protein, water, cellery, strawberry, oatmeal, salmon, broccoli.

Sometimes: Cauliflower.

 

 

 

Evening:

Foods:

Salmon, eggs, a little bit of bread, a little bit oatmeal, 2 dl milk, proteinshake.

Sometimes: Blueberries.

 

Iron 27 mg

Magnesiumcitrate and magnesiumoxide 300 mg

LEMON BALM(MELISSA OFFICINALIS)  (herb) 400 mg  by Solaray

Ebastine

 

Cranberry

Zinc 25 mg and c-vitamin 200 mg

Vitamin B6

Fiber

Proteinshake

 

 

Another question: Where can I find a knowledage pharmacist to evaluate the safety of the supplements that I am taking? Including the interaction between the supplements.

 

Edited by HealthyLiving, 29 October 2014 - 02:56 PM.

[Skyguy2005]

 

Omega 6 is hard to find in a diet, thats why I am supplementing with it.

 

No, omega six is too easy to find in the diet! It's pointless to supplement with.

 

I am a 26-year old male, and I currently eat:

 

Ginkgo Biloba (quite a lot)

Resveratrol 250 mg

Red Reishi 1g (depends on strength of extract)

He Shou Wu 1g (depends on strength of extract)

 

LEF two a day multivitamin (1 per day, sometimes 1/2 a tablet)

Vitamin D3 1000IU + K2 45mcg

Vitamin C (600mg) + Zinc 10mg

Copper 2mg

NAC 300-600mg

CoQ10 100mg

Astaxanthin 12mg

Fish oil (Omega 3 900mg)

 

Sometimes green tea and curcumin, ran out of iodine. Planning to buy magnesium, the stuff from boots seems a bit crap.
 

[timar]

Omega 6 is hard to find in a diet, thats why I am supplementing with it

 
You are probably confusing omega-6 in general with gamma-linolenic acid (GLA), a rare anti-inflammatory omega-6 fatty acid contained in relatively high amounts in evening primrose oil. Most other omega-6 fatty acids, including linoleic and arachodonic acid are pro-inflammatory if consumed in excess - and most modern diets contain excessive amounts of them. I don't think that there is much benefit from evening primrose oil for generally healthy people, but at least it won't hurt.
 
I don't know what to make of your list in this regard - if you take any omega-6/9 supplements other than primrose oil they are a complete waste of money.

 

25 mg of zinc may be excessive as your multivitamin already contains zinc. If it contains the full DV of 15 mg, I wouldn't take any additional zinc at all.

 

I have already told you that you should not take supplemental iron without a diagnosed iron deficiency. Do you have an iron deficiency?
 
Your diet is OK, but very heavy on protein. Unless you are a body builder or an athlete I would cut back on eggs and protein shakes. Excessive protein intake may decrease life expectancy by increasing the risk of cancer and diabetes via mTOR activation.
 

Another question: Where can I find a knowledage pharmacist to evaluate the safety of the supplements that I am taking? Including the interaction between the supplements.

 
You will be hard pressed to find a pharmacist more knowledgable in dietary supplements than many people in this forum. I don't want to sound presumtuous but I think I - as well as some other members - probably know more about supplements and their possible interactions than 99 out of 100 pharmacists.
 

I am a 26-year old male, and I currently eat:
 
Ginkgo Biloba (quite a lot)

 

So you eat quite a lot of Ginkgo biloba? That sounds kind of strange. Do you make a salad from it or what? I certainly hope not. Ginkgo should only be taken in the form of certified quality extracts, as the leaves contain highly allergenic ginkgolic acids. I wouldn't even recommend to drink tea made from the leaves.

 

Copper 2mg
NAC 300-600mg
CoQ10 100mg
Astaxanthin 12mg
Fish oil (Omega 3 900mg)
 
Sometimes green tea and curcumin, ran out of iodine. Planning to buy magnesium, the stuff from boots seems a bit crap.

 

Why do you take additional copper? I don't think taking supplemental copper - which is a highly reactive element that has been shown to cause oxidative stress even at slightly elevated levels - is a good idea for most poeple. Many of the benefits from supplemental zinc are actually due to the increased zinc/copper-ratio.

 

Also, don't take more than 300 mg of NAC continously, as it may interfere with the beneficial (hormetic) adaptions from excercise.

 

Iodine on the other hand, should be taken constantly and not cycled, as the thyroid adapts itself to the intake level.

 

Edited by timar, 29 October 2014 - 06:38 PM.

[Skyguy2005]

 

I am a 26-year old male, and I currently eat:
 
Ginkgo Biloba (quite a lot)

 
So you eat quite a lot of Ginkgo biloba? That sounds kind of strange. Do you make a salad from it or what? I certainly hope not. Ginkgo should only be taken in the form of certified quality extracts, as the leaves contain highly allergenic ginkgolic acids. I wouldn't even recommend to drink tea made from the leaves.

 

 Ha I meant to be a bit vague because it has varied. Yes all the ones I have tried have (except one) said they contain <5ppm GAs. Until I ran low I was getting close to a gram per day. Recently it's been a bit less.

 

My Chinese housemate has Ginkgo nuts, she eats them all the time, and I don't have any allergies, so I probably will try them. Not sure if they have GAs. Even if they do I'm too curious not to ha!

 

 

Copper 2mg
NAC 300-600mg
CoQ10 100mg
Astaxanthin 12mg
Fish oil (Omega 3 900mg)
 
Sometimes green tea and curcumin, ran out of iodine. Planning to buy magnesium, the stuff from boots seems a bit crap.

 
Why do you take additional copper? I don't think taking supplemental copper - which is a highly reactive element that has been shown to cause oxidative stress even at slightly elevated levels - is a good idea for most poeple. Many of the benefits from supplemental zinc are actually due to the increased zinc/copper-ratio.
 
Also, don't take more than 300 mg of NAC continously, as it may interfere with the beneficial (hormetic) adaptions from excercise.
 
Iodine on the other hand, should be taken constantly and not cycled, as the thyroid adapts itself to the intake level.

 

Okay, well I was taking 30mg zinc quite recently and no copper! I thought I might balance the books, I currently get 25mg zinc and 2mg copper from supplements. I don't know everything in the world but I find the need to get scared of 2mg copper a little hard to believe?

 

What is so nasty about it? Is it because it's supplemental? I use copper bisglycinate btw. I don't eat that many high copper foods except I eat quite a lot of Cashew nuts.

Edited by Skyguy2005, 29 October 2014 - 07:47 PM.

[niner]

 I thought I might balance the books, I currently get 25mg zinc and 2mg copper from supplements. I don't know everything in the world but I find the need to get scared of 2mg copper a little hard to believe?

 

What is so nasty about it? Is it because it's supplemental? I use copper bisglycinate btw. I don't eat that many high copper foods except I eat quite a lot of Cashew nuts.

 

Read this, this, this, or this.  Copper is highly likely to do you more harm than good. 

[Skyguy2005]

 

 I thought I might balance the books, I currently get 25mg zinc and 2mg copper from supplements. I don't know everything in the world but I find the need to get scared of 2mg copper a little hard to believe?

 

What is so nasty about it? Is it because it's supplemental? I use copper bisglycinate btw. I don't eat that many high copper foods except I eat quite a lot of Cashew nuts.

 

Read this, this, this, or this.  Copper is highly likely to do you more harm than good. 

 

 

So what would you say is best to take in supplements:

 

(1) 30mg zinc, 0mg copper,

(2) 30mg zinc, 2mg copper,

(3) 20mg zinc, 0mg copper,

(4) 20mg zinc, 2mg copper,

(5) 15mg zinc, 0mg copper,

(6) 15mg zinc, 2mg copper. 

 

Please rank (1)-(6) in order of preference. For instance, are you saying (5) is better than (2)?

 

[Skyguy2005]

ADDENDUM to earlier posts about Ginkgo Biloba: Ginkgolic acids seem like curious little compounds. They possess cytotoxic potential but are not mutagenic. They inhibit SIRT-1 and SIRT-2 (at about 100 times less strength than EX-527 a well studied SIRT-1 inhibitor). They are about 20 times less potent cytotoxic (in some cell line or another) than the urushiols found in Mango skin.

They occur, in untreated Ginkgo Biloba extract (decanter sludge), at concentrations of 0.5-2%. This is reduced a thousandfold (if I have the math right) in the treatment of the extract somehow, as these substance are not believed to be of value.

 

I suppose the SIRT-1 inhibition of the Ginkgolic Acids maybe would be cancelled out by the SIRT-1 activation of the EGB761 portion of the extract. I saw EGB761 activates SIRT-1 in brain cells (I cannot remember the animal) in vitro something like -fold. It seems like SIRT activation is all the rage!

So one can maybe think that this (SIRT inhibition and allergenicity) is bad. On the other hand, they (Ginkgolic Acids) are believed to have anti-cancer and anti-HIV properties. 

 

 

http://www.sciencedi...074552109000349

http://www.ncbi.nlm....18-8-br293.pdf

Edited by Skyguy2005, 29 October 2014 - 10:50 PM.

[timar]

So what would you say is best to take in supplements:

 

(1) 30mg zinc, 0mg copper,

(2) 30mg zinc, 2mg copper,

(3) 20mg zinc, 0mg copper,

(4) 20mg zinc, 2mg copper,

(5) 15mg zinc, 0mg copper,

(6) 15mg zinc, 2mg copper. 

 

Please rank (1)-(6) in order of preference. For instance, are you saying (5) is better than (2)?

 

5, 3, 1, 6, 4, 2 - but the three latter wouldn't be an option for me.

 

[Skyguy2005]

 

So what would you say is best to take in supplements:

 

(1) 30mg zinc, 0mg copper,

(2) 30mg zinc, 2mg copper,

(3) 20mg zinc, 0mg copper,

(4) 20mg zinc, 2mg copper,

(5) 15mg zinc, 0mg copper,

(6) 15mg zinc, 2mg copper. 

 

Please rank (1)-(6) in order of preference. For instance, are you saying (5) is better than (2)?

 

5, 3, 1, 6, 4, 2 - but the three latter wouldn't be an option for me.

 

 

 

I'm seeing Albion 30mg zinc for £5 for 90 softgels! The dose is a bit high I think! I guess I would perhaps bite into it and not swallow it all ha!

 

So what, if it is indeed well understood, is the mechanism of the danger of copper in:

 

(1) Nuts and seeds

(2) Supplements

(3) Water supply/contaminated soil ?

 

 

Edited by Skyguy2005, 30 October 2014 - 12:17 AM.

[niner]

So what would you say is best to take in supplements:
 
(1) 30mg zinc, 0mg copper,
(2) 30mg zinc, 2mg copper,
(3) 20mg zinc, 0mg copper,
(4) 20mg zinc, 2mg copper,
(5) 15mg zinc, 0mg copper,
(6) 15mg zinc, 2mg copper. 
 
Please rank (1)-(6) in order of preference. For instance, are you saying (5) is better than (2)?

 
5, 3, 1, 6, 4, 2 - but the three latter wouldn't be an option for me.

 
I'm seeing Albion 30mg zinc for £5 for 90 softgels! The dose is a bit high I think!
 
So what, if it is indeed well understood, is the mechanism of the danger of copper in:
 
(1) Nuts and seeds
(2) Supplements
(3) Water supply/contaminated soil ?

In the body, copper is safely held in copper storage proteins that prevent it from reacting with other things. When copper is floating freely, it can react with hydrogen peroxide (created by mitochondria) to form a hydroxyl radical. The hydroxyl radical is very dangerous, and will react harmfully with various biomolecules. Water is a potential source of free copper ions, which slowly leach from copper plumbing. It is wise to allow your plumbing system to be flushed before drinking any water that has been sitting in the pipes for a long time. (A morning shower would probably do it.) Supplements are a grab-bag. Some forms are probably safer than others, but I don't think any of them could really be called "safe". Copper found in foods is usually pretty well bound up, so is relatively safe.

Copper deficiency is very rare. There is little if any need for the vast majority of people to supplement it.

One way to induce copper deficiency is to consume too much zinc. Many zinc supplements on the market contain more zinc than I'd like- I ended up having to use a pill splitter to cut a 30 mg tablet in half in order to get the 15 mg dose I wanted.

[krillin]

 

 

 I thought I might balance the books, I currently get 25mg zinc and 2mg copper from supplements. I don't know everything in the world but I find the need to get scared of 2mg copper a little hard to believe?

 

What is so nasty about it? Is it because it's supplemental? I use copper bisglycinate btw. I don't eat that many high copper foods except I eat quite a lot of Cashew nuts.

 

Read this, this, this, or this.  Copper is highly likely to do you more harm than good. 

 

 

So what would you say is best to take in supplements:

 

(1) 30mg zinc, 0mg copper,

(2) 30mg zinc, 2mg copper,

(3) 20mg zinc, 0mg copper,

(4) 20mg zinc, 2mg copper,

(5) 15mg zinc, 0mg copper,

(6) 15mg zinc, 2mg copper. 

 

Please rank (1)-(6) in order of preference. For instance, are you saying (5) is better than (2)?

 

 

Use whatever will get you to ~25 mg total zinc from diet plus supplements. I haven't found any epidemiology to support going higher. Only take copper if diet doesn't provide the RDA.
 

[blood]

 

In the body, copper is safely held in copper storage proteins that prevent it from reacting with other things... Copper found in foods is usually pretty well bound up, so is relatively safe.
 

 

This is a very interesting aspect of copper toxicity.

 

- George Brewer talks about "free" and "bound" pools of copper within the body. Bound copper refers to copper bound (mostly) to caeruloplasmin. Supposedly/apparently, there is also a pool of copper in the body that is 'free', or less tightly bound to various proteins in the blood. Brewer links higher levels of "free" copper within the body to increased risk for dementia. Zinc supplementation can reduce the free pool of copper within the body, supposedly.

 

- You can also talk about "free" and "bound" copper in food and drink. E.g., copper in plant-based foods such as grains is tightly complexed with substances such as lectins which reduce bioavailability. Copper in animal products (meat, liver) is more bioavailable, possibly because it is more easily solubilized:

 

 

 

http://ajcn.nutritio.../1054S.full.pdf

 

In humans, vegetables are the major sources of copper nutriture, although they require a more extensive digestive enzymatic attack than do copper-containing animal proteins, including milk. The latter are, in general, more easily solubilized. The metal-matrix binding of copper in vegeta- bles and herbage is not well defined and may be present in a vari- ety of forms. A substantial fraction of copper in grains is thought to be associated with lectins and glycoproteins (13, 14).

 

 

 

There appears to be a spectrum of bioavailability for copper contained in various food stuffs. I'd imagine (my conjecture) it looks like this:

 

[LOW BIOAVAILABILITY] plant-based food << animal-based food << copper-containing water [HIGH BIOAVAILABILITY]

 

A million dollar question is, where do copper supplements fit on the spectrum? No one appears to have specifically researched this question, but I assume that copper supplements are as bioavailable as the copper dissolved in drinking water (the worst-case scenario).

 

In general, copper supplements are "highly bioavailable", with some variation among the various copper salts:

 

 

 

http://ajcn.nutritio.../1054S.full.pdf

 

Copper salts, including chloride, acetate, sulfate, and carbon- ate, are highly bioavailable in animal nutrition when added to feed; the exception is copper oxide, which has < 40% of copper chloride bioavailability in sheep (17) and has negligible value in chicks (18). In cattle, cupric carbonate is better absorbed than the nitrate, followed by the sulfate, the chloride, and cuprous and cupric oxides (19). The slope-ratio technique, in which the con- centration of liver copper as related to daily copper intake, was used to compare the bioavailability of this element in chicks. When copper bioavailability of acetate was set at 100%, those of the sulfate, carbonate, and oxide were found to be 88.5%, 54.3%, and 0%, respectively (18).

 

 

 

It's difficult to imagine that an amino acid chelate, say copper bisglycinate, is going to be substantially *less* bioavailable than any of the above compounds. A copper-amino acid chelate is probably not going to require an "extensive digestive enzymatic attack" in order for the copper ions to be released. Albion market their metal-amino acid chelates as having improved bioavailability (which is possibly the last thing you want, when it comes to copper, unless you have a diagnosed deficiency).

 

The liver plays an essential role in limiting our exposure to copper from food. E.g., a substantial proportion of copper absorbed from food is intercepted by the liver, and dumped right back into the gut via bile secretions. The liver also binds absorbed copper to caeruloplasmin. Highly bioavailable sources of copper appear to represent a danger, presumably because they may overwhelm the liver's copper filtering mechanisms.

[Skyguy2005]

 

 

In the body, copper is safely held in copper storage proteins that prevent it from reacting with other things... Copper found in foods is usually pretty well bound up, so is relatively safe.
 

 

This is a very interesting aspect of copper toxicity.

 

- George Brewer talks about "free" and "bound" pools of copper within the body. Bound copper refers to copper bound (mostly) to caeruloplasmin. Supposedly/apparently, there is also a pool of copper in the body that is 'free', or less tightly bound to various proteins in the blood. Brewer links higher levels of "free" copper within the body to increased risk for dementia. Zinc supplementation can reduce the free pool of copper within the body, supposedly.

 

- You can also talk about "free" and "bound" copper in food and drink. E.g., copper in plant-based foods such as grains is tightly complexed with substances such as lectins which reduce bioavailability. Copper in animal products (meat, liver) is more bioavailable, possibly because it is more easily solubilized:

 

 

 

http://ajcn.nutritio.../1054S.full.pdf

 

In humans, vegetables are the major sources of copper nutriture, although they require a more extensive digestive enzymatic attack than do copper-containing animal proteins, including milk. The latter are, in general, more easily solubilized. The metal-matrix binding of copper in vegeta- bles and herbage is not well defined and may be present in a vari- ety of forms. A substantial fraction of copper in grains is thought to be associated with lectins and glycoproteins (13, 14).

 

 

 

There appears to be a spectrum of bioavailability for copper contained in various food stuffs. I'd imagine (my conjecture) it looks like this:

 

[LOW BIOAVAILABILITY] plant-based food << animal-based food << copper-containing water [HIGH BIOAVAILABILITY]

 

A million dollar question is, where do copper supplements fit on the spectrum? No one appears to have specifically researched this question, but I assume that copper supplements are as bioavailable as the copper dissolved in drinking water (the worst-case scenario).

 

In general, copper supplements are "highly bioavailable", with some variation among the various copper salts:

 

 

 

http://ajcn.nutritio.../1054S.full.pdf

 

Copper salts, including chloride, acetate, sulfate, and carbon- ate, are highly bioavailable in animal nutrition when added to feed; the exception is copper oxide, which has < 40% of copper chloride bioavailability in sheep (17) and has negligible value in chicks (18). In cattle, cupric carbonate is better absorbed than the nitrate, followed by the sulfate, the chloride, and cuprous and cupric oxides (19). The slope-ratio technique, in which the con- centration of liver copper as related to daily copper intake, was used to compare the bioavailability of this element in chicks. When copper bioavailability of acetate was set at 100%, those of the sulfate, carbonate, and oxide were found to be 88.5%, 54.3%, and 0%, respectively (18).

 

 

 

It's difficult to imagine that an amino acid chelate, say copper bisglycinate, is going to be substantially *less* bioavailable than any of the above compounds. A copper-amino acid chelate is probably not going to require an "extensive digestive enzymatic attack" in order for the copper ions to be released. Albion market their metal-amino acid chelates as having improved bioavailability (which is possibly the last thing you want, when it comes to copper, unless you have a diagnosed deficiency).

 

The liver plays an essential role in limiting our exposure to copper from food. E.g., a substantial proportion of copper absorbed from food is intercepted by the liver, and dumped right back into the gut via bile secretions. The liver also binds absorbed copper to caeruloplasmin. Highly bioavailable sources of copper appear to represent a danger, presumably because they may overwhelm the liver's copper filtering mechanisms.

 

 

OK people talk about Alzheimers. So what are the dangers, besides that?
 

[timar]

OK people talk about Alzheimers. So what are the dangers, besides that?

 

A major risk factor for dementia is the brain atrophy caused by asking massive off-topic questions instead of first doing at least the basic wikipedia-level reading for yourself and then choosing an appropriate topic to ask more specific questions, if there are any remaining

Edited by timar, 30 October 2014 - 02:06 PM.

[Skyguy2005]

 

OK people talk about Alzheimers. So what are the dangers, besides that?

 

A major risk factor for dementia is the brain atrophy caused by asking massive off-topic questions instead of first doing at least the basic wikipedia-level reading for yourself and then choosing an appropriate topic to ask more specific questions, if there are any remaining

 

 

http://www.bloomberg...lzheimer-s.html

 

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/1736159

I'm curious!

Edited by Skyguy2005, 30 October 2014 - 04:27 PM.

[Skyguy2005]

 

OK people talk about Alzheimers. So what are the dangers, besides that?

 

A major risk factor for dementia is the brain atrophy caused by asking massive off-topic questions instead of first doing at least the basic wikipedia-level reading for yourself and then choosing an appropriate topic to ask more specific questions, if there are any remaining

 

 

A google search was commenced. Discovered was a connection between copper and prion diseases, where apparently copper plays a protective role and manganese a damaging role. Over.

[niner]

OK people talk about Alzheimers. So what are the dangers, besides that?

 

What, that's not enough of a reason to stop poisoning yourself?  Other issues may include general biological mayhem, telomere attrition, and shortened lifespan. 

[Transcender]

 

Use whatever will get you to ~25 mg total zinc from diet plus supplements. I haven't found any epidemiology to support going higher.

 

 

Zinc sulphate was supplemented in doses as high as 66 mg (I don't know how much elemental zinc is in it though) to improve fertility of subfertile men.

 

http://www.fertilepa...amins.html#zinc

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....Pubmed_RVDocSum

Edited by Transcender, 30 October 2014 - 05:49 PM.

[Skyguy2005]

 

OK people talk about Alzheimers. So what are the dangers, besides that?

 

What, that's not enough of a reason to stop poisoning yourself?  Other issues may include general biological mayhem, telomere attrition, and shortened lifespan. 

 

 

At what kind of doses then? Do you think high copper foods like oysters, and certain seeds should also be avoided?

[HealthyLiving]

You are right about the zinc. Thank you for pointing that out.

My zinc levels were also tested to be way over normal. So I have quitted extra supplementation of zinc now. 

 

I extra take iron because of it prevents my restless leg syndrom and because it also strenghtens my hair.

 

I've also added 1 gram of sodium each day now, because I have low natural levels of sodium (I discoverered that through a bloodtest).

[HealthyLiving]

Anymore thoughts about this?

[HealthyLiving]

Breakfast foods:

 

Some apricots, 3 dl, coffe, cocao beans, red pepper, green pepper, potatoes (sometimes with cinnamon), 6 dl fruit juice. Sometimes a half scoop of protein.

Fat source for breakfast: Sometimes avocado and sometimes almonds. I am also going to start taking olive oil again. Sometimes bread.

 

Foods during the day:

1 egg, about 1 scoop of whey protein, water, cellery, frozen fruits (blueberry, bilberry etc), frozen strawberry, oatmeal, salmon, broccoli.

 

Evening:

Sometimes caffeinfree coffe, green lentils.

 

What more should I add/or remove?