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2 Years 3-MMC Research chemical daily.Please help me!

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#1 Anja from Sweden

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 08:45 AM


Hello!

 

Sorry im  not from the U.S. but Sweden.So may be my english is not the best.

 

I am a chemistry student and 29.I was diagnosed with ADD(not ADHS) because I only can work or concentrate for max.

2 hours a day.

Here in Sweden you have 2 possibilities.Methylphenidat or Amphetaminsulfat(Racemic).

 

So first the doc tried methylphenidat dosing up to 40 mg retard.

This was ok for 2 weeks,then my thoughts startet running a million times and I became psychotic,and I startet to crash bad.

Next was Amphetaminsulfat up to 60 mg a day.There was almost no crash but 14 days later ich became psychotic again.

He wanted to combine this with a strong neuroleptica (Risperdal) and I said no.So I had to leave him.

 

I then read  in a swedish forum about RC research chemicals.

I first tried 4-FA amphetamine,2-FMA,2 FA but always the same pattern 14  days later i became psychotic.

 

 

Then I tried a few cathiones.And there I saw a possible solution.

I never tried Mephedrone 4-MMC but here in sweden 3-MMC is legal.So I tried this one.

I bought  a  micro scale and made 100 mg capsules.This was the beginning.I take about 5 x100 mg every 4 hours

and my ADD is gone without any psychotic symptoms  or crash the last 2 years.

 

I did liver checks and kindney,so far they are ok.I do trink lots of water.But I do not know the long term risks.

Someone said to me, in 2 years I will be dead,an my brain will be extremly damaged because this one is like MDMA ( Serotonin-Releaser)

 

I do not take 3 MMC for any party only just 100 mg 4-5 times a day to funktion normally. I am not extra happy or so.

But now 2 years later if I want to skip a day or two ,this is not possible because my body is feeling like sickness,vertigo,weakness

and only can lie on the couch if I do not take the drug.

 

So I don't know what to do.If i go on taking 3-MMC what will or can happen.Is this like a SSRI withdrawal or much worse?

If someone here has any advice  i would be very grateful.Or someone has taken research chemical and can tell me

if it's extremly dangerous for me.Especially 3-MMC.I know some are neurotoxic but I don't know which ones.

At the moment I have a job in a laboratory which I will lose immediately without  3-MMC.

 

 

I don't know why I had each time a psychotic break with methylphenidate and amphetamine.

SSRI also did not work(the brain fog was much much worse).After 3 to 4 weeks on sertralin,citalopram or paroxetine I  also

get extremly suicidal.

Trizyklica like amitritilyne I also had to try 8 weeks long before I got the methylphenidat, with the same reaktion.

And with something like Seroquel or Risperdal i feel like I am not alive anymore(more brain fog then with SSRI)

I crash my car the next day,in work everything doesn't funktion because i only want to sleep 18 hours a day + the extreme weight gain.

 

So I really dont know.Perhaps my liver an kidneys are nearly dead(i have to go to the toilett about ten times a day)

and often in the Morning before I take this 3 MMC I think how long I still will be alive.But without 3MMC I'm in

a deep depression and severe ADD and can not funktion,this problem I have since childhood.

And zyban was to weak.It helped at 600 mg,but only for 5 month,then stopped working.Well I tried almost everything.

 

I have lots of allergies,in childhood I took about 100 antibiotics because I always had viral infections every 4 weeks.

That was perhaps the trigger.I dont know.The beginning was in school class Nr.5.

There was a massive change in type face and I could not follow what the teacher told us.

 

Perhaps someone has any information about how toxic this chemical is to the body and

what a dopamine/serotonine releaser can do to the brain if you take it lets say 5 or 10 years daily?

 

Thank you very very much (I fear that something bad will happen to my body and brain if i go on this way)

 

 

Sjögren

 

 

 



#2 jonnyD

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 11:17 AM

I know i already read this story maybe a week ago somewhere else...


Edited by jonnyD, 29 September 2014 - 11:18 AM.

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#3 Flex

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 03:37 PM

Why not just asking a Doc ?


Edited by Flex, 29 September 2014 - 03:38 PM.


#4 medicineman

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 05:27 PM

I would be more worried about 4-FA since it's a halogenated amphetamine. I'm not sure about the validity of this, but there is a good explanation of why 4-FA may resemble 4-CA in neurotoxicity.

Dopamine and serotonin (and noradrenaline) are in themselves, quite toxic when the body's mechanisms of monoamine regulation is overwhelmed. This is why ssris may be neuroprotective in the setting of serotonin toxicity, why NRIs maybe be protective in noradrenergic toxicity, and the same with DRIs or MOAIs. Take 4-chloroamphetamine for example. It literally destroys noradrenergic and serotonergic nerve terminals, but administration of a NRI preserves the noradrenergic nerves, thus selectively destroying serotonergic nerves.

Not to scare you, but realistically, you have damaged yourself considerably. The damage you have sustained may need attenuation with an atypical antipsychotic and a SSRI. Seroquel and sertraline are used extensively for chronic amphetamine users, and they have the most solid base of evidence in drug addiction and neuroprotection/repair post-extensive long term stimulant/amphetamine abuse. The literature is easily accessible, but I would suggest you contact an addiction specialist before trying anything (including cold turkey, etc.) Keep in mind that treatment with these drugs may in some instances aggravate stimulant abuse. It is a complex issue and I suggest once again that you contact a specialist.

Edited by medicineman, 29 September 2014 - 05:36 PM.

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#5 Introspecta

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 09:23 PM

Yeah I would find a psychiatrist or doctor and come clean about what you did. Give them as much research on the drug as you can. I just searched the drug real quick. There is like no information on this. I wouldn't panic. You may have not done as much damage as some say. I don't understand how the hell you kept up with this for so long. Seems like the drug has a quick halflife. Do you still feel effects from it at all. Like you notice when its coming up. Or does it just make you feel normal when you dose?

 

2nd best option is to taper down. Find out how low of a dose you can take without causing withdrawal. Considering the short halflife

 

 

Take a week or 2 off from work when you decide to get off it. If there is a human resources you could tell them.Not sure how it works in Sweden but here in the US if you have a drug problem and you tell them and take some time off they can't fire you.

 

Have you tried tapering down? I mean its obvious you will feel like shit and have no energy when you stop but quite possible it may take a few week to a month to return to normal. I don't know exactly what this drug does in the brain but if its anything similiar to amphetamines you'll have no energy and be depressed for a period of time until dopamine upregulates. Supplements like L-tyrosine work great during amphetamine withdrawal.

 

Since you say this drug acts on Serotonin I don't know. Maybe you'll deal with some excessive tiredness, brain zaps and depression for a short period and then return to normal.



#6 Flex

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 09:43 PM

I know i already read this story maybe a week ago somewhere else...

 

I´m a bit sceptic too

the troll could be everywhere lol

But in my view ..sigh.. In dubio pro reo

 

Edit: Could You actually tell me more details ?


Edited by Flex, 29 September 2014 - 09:58 PM.


#7 medicineman

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 09:44 PM

Maybe a bit off topic, but here's the famous post by supposedly a pharmacologist.

https://www.drugs-fo...ad.php?t=175262

I don't see why there isn't a good chance this may be true. These research chemicals are a ticking time bomb. Barry Kidston waiting to happen...

#8 Flex

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 10:03 PM

Using research chemicals per se and over that time is so irresponsible.

I´ve told it several times:

What if something wents wrong ?

How can You find out what happened ?

A nice epigenetic alteration or phosphorylation here and there and voilá here´s the mess

 

There is no data or research to find it out.

In addition, the Docs response could be: dont know whats happened, well lets treat at least the symptoms..

 


Edited by Flex, 29 September 2014 - 10:07 PM.


#9 golden1

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 02:56 AM

Maybe a bit off topic, but here's the famous post by supposedly a pharmacologist.

https://www.drugs-fo...ad.php?t=175262

I don't see why there isn't a good chance this may be true. These research chemicals are a ticking time bomb. Barry Kidston waiting to happen...

 

there is research and tons of logical reasons why 4-fa behaves differently than other halo-amphetamines. two studies show 4-fa didn't have lasting serotonin deficits, not in humans but what do you expect..

the fluorine is simply put.. not comparable to other halogens in effect,,

 

also notice the thread you link even has a red notice saying to read the whole thread where if i remember correctly his theory is proven to be silly even in that very thread

 

ok have fun 



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Posted 30 September 2014 - 12:07 PM

It seems to me that methylphenidate ja amphetamine caused your psychotic episodes due to very high dosages. These drugs need titration (gradual increasing on of dosages) to prevent this kind of side effects. 40mg of methylphenidate / 60mg of amphetamine are quite high dosages and need much longer titration than two weeks.

Ignore the 4-FA and it's possible neurotoxicity right now, this isn't even proven and you used it a long time ago for a short duration. This is not your main problem.

Do you experience side effects when under the influence of 3-MMC (besides frequent urination)? If you don't have serious side effects after see such a long time, you're probably fine. However, your life depends on a drug with unknown toxicity and mostly unknown mechanism of action - you need to stop taking the drug, let your brain return to normal functioning and then, if needed, talk to your doc about treating ADD and this time try lower dosages with proper titration.

Never stop cold turkey, if you have been on the drug for a long period. Decrease your dose by 20mg (or 10mg if withdawal too harsh) every week. Use smaller amounts per capsule:
Week0: 100mg
Week1: 80mg
Week2: 60mg
Week3: 40mg
Week4: 20mg
Week5: 0mg.

This will hopefully prevent most of the withdrawal symptoms you experienced on your day off. Since 3-MMC seems to be a dopamine/serotonin releaser, replenising your brain with tyrosine and tryptophan (building blocks of dopamine and serotonin) with the necessary cofactors should be very helpful.

Edited by lammas2, 30 September 2014 - 12:09 PM.


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#11 Plasticperson

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 07:21 PM

try prescript assist especially if you've taken antibiotics






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