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#31 Dolph

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Posted 25 October 2014 - 08:20 PM

Or trimipramine, opipramol... Work like a charm and don't cause trouble in the long run.



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Posted 26 October 2014 - 07:26 PM

that seems like a horrible idea. phenibut should only be used by those that dont really need it.

 

I would try every other option first. how about inositol or aniracetam?

 

also I think when people have anxiety the first thing we do is reach for the most potent neutralizing agent, when the solution may be the polar opposite...something stimulating and invigorating so that you have so much zest your problems go away.

 

Id suggest trying some of the noot stacks others have posted, and see if you can get yourself in the zone. It worked for me...I dont think anxiety will ever be a problem. IF you feel sharper than you did before....anxiety withers



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Posted 26 October 2014 - 07:38 PM

id be cranking inositol magnesium and theonine....with phenibut 3x per week at night only...and use modafinil as your crutch. if you have a bad night sleep or are otherwise feeling lethargic...take it.

 

From my experience I think anxiety comes from not feeling we have options to control the situation. then you get yourself out of the rut and 2 years later you wonder to yourself...wtf was that all about?.

 

I stopped worrying about my sleep, or taking every substance possible to sedate or promote sleep. What i was really worried about was being productive the next day. I started taking things to address that and now i sleep great.


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#34 Heisenburger

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 12:39 AM

I think your doctor is nuts. Daily use of phenibut is unquestionably not a good idea. You’ve indicated that you have used benzos responsibly in the past, so a one-gram dose of phenibut once or twice a week at the most probably wouldn’t cause any problems for you. But if any MD ever suggested to me that I take phenibut multiple times a day for a prolonged period of time, I would report him to the BMQA tout de suite. I’ve withdrawn from both Xanax and phenibut, and I can assure you that phenibut withdrawal is almost as nasty as benzo withdrawal. My go-to anxiolytic now is etizolam, but I limit my consumption to no more than four milligrams a week. I have a half-empty 40 gram jar of phenibut that’s been sitting on a bookshelf for literally several months now—that’s how leery I am of the stuff.



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Posted 02 November 2014 - 08:14 PM

I think your doctor is nuts. Daily use of phenibut is unquestionably not a good idea. You’ve indicated that you have used benzos responsibly in the past, so a one-gram dose of phenibut once or twice a week at the most probably wouldn’t cause any problems for you. But if any MD ever suggested to me that I take phenibut multiple times a day for a prolonged period of time, I would report him to the BMQA tout de suite. I’ve withdrawn from both Xanax and phenibut, and I can assure you that phenibut withdrawal is almost as nasty as benzo withdrawal. My go-to anxiolytic now is etizolam, but I limit my consumption to no more than four milligrams a week. I have a half-empty 40 gram jar of phenibut that’s been sitting on a bookshelf for literally several months now—that’s how leery I am of the stuff.

 

I will do just that. I will report the bastard to the medical boards.


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#36 deeptrance

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Posted 11 November 2014 - 01:03 AM

When you say "holistic doc" are you referring to an MD who practices a holistic form of medicine, or is this some sort of "alternative medicine" person? If it's the latter, I think you'd do well to see a REAL doctor, preferably a psychiatrist so that you can obtain prescription psych meds right away.

 

Also, there is nothing "holistic" about your "doctor" if he's prescribing phenibut for your situation. The holistic approach would be quite different, and it sounds to me like this doc hasn't studied much about phenibut and really isn't qualified to tell you much of anything useful. Dump the guy and go to a serious medical practitioner.

 

Having said all that, I don't see anything wrong with trying phenibut as an emergency measure until you can get on something else that is more sustainable and less addictive.

 

I'm not a fan of the anti-phenibut hysteria that runs amok in online forums. It's a tricky substance that has proven to be very useful and beneficial for some people, and very problematic for others. The thing about phenibut withdrawal is that it's apparently so horrible that it makes people become violently opposed to the stuff, and then they become dogmatic and make sweeping claims against it without considering the fact that it's not a dangerous substance for many people. It just isn't.

 

I've used it daily for nearly 3 years. Don't do what I do. On the other hand, so what, I've had absolutely zero problem with it, but I know I'm dependent on it because I've experienced the beginnings of withdrawal on days when I forgot to take it. I've been on a stable dosage for more than 6 months, and there are no side effects. All my blood work is fine, no problems with kidneys, liver, etc. Most people say to take it at night, but I take mine in the morning because that's what works for me.

 

Don't let people fear-monger you out of trying everything at your disposal to get yourself out of a desperate situation. You're not going to suddenly have your life destroyed if you try phenibut for a few weeks. But your pseudo-doc gave you bad advice and suggested you take too much! If you're going to try it, I'd recommend taking the absolute least amount necessary, and you shouldn't need to take it as often as you were told. I take mind once every 24 hours and that works fine for me.

 

You could probably take, for example, 500 mg once every 12 hours, or every 8 hours. But if you develop a tolerance quickly and feel a need to increase dosage then that is a warning sign that you should find an alternative and begin to wean off of it. The horror stories are almost entirely from people who have taken 2+ grams per day for a sustained period of time (weeks or months), but below that level is generally less difficult for withdrawal.

 

What you have been describing about your quality of life sounds like you're already in a hell that is comparable to phenibut withdrawal, so if you don't have an alternative yet and you're still suffering then why not try phenibut, just to keep from going totally crazy, and then see a qualified professional who can help you find a long-term solution to your situation. Don't let the hysteria scare you into believing this isn't a viable temporary option for you. 



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Posted 11 November 2014 - 03:58 AM

Sage advice, all of it. For all intents and purposes, treat phenibut as if it were Xanax or any other benzodiazepine. There are people who can use Xanax responsibly, and there are those who can’t. The general medical dogma for benzo use is the following: if you’re going to take it every day, you should take it for no more than 21 consecutive days. If you’re going to take it forever, you must limit consumption to twice a week. From personal experience, I’d say that phenibut should be administered in essentially the same manner. I get 30 Xanax tabs from my doctor at a shot, and that is generally enough to last me a year or even two. I only use benzos for four things: invasive medical procedures, public speaking, giving sworn legal testimony, and confrontational situations with criminals or dishonest authority figures. For sleep, I use etizolam, but no more than four milligrams a week. Phenibut is an occasional optional adjunct for the etizolam, and I limit consumption to two grams a week. Following this pattern, or one very similar to it, should cause you no problems whatsoever. Phenibut is not rock cocaine. Don’t believe those guys over at Bluelight—most of them are semi-literate garbageheads who will stick anything they can get their hands on in their mouths if they think it will get them high. They’re going through horrendous withdrawals because they do what I used to do, namely reach for an anxiolytic substance every time they’re dealing with some minor, everyday stressor. That is not what these drugs are designed for. They are temporary stop-gap measures only.


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