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[shifter]

Have a full read of this. Quite a few disgusting things to learn about him.

http://healthwyze.or...he-reality.html

Losing your daughter is "petty?"

You heard there is a benevolent form of mercury?

Well, that settles it.

The story is not just from Natural News, It also comes originally from other sources, including mainstream local news. I found it at Natural News. Apparently the mainstream national media wasn't going to report it. That is one reason I look at Natural News even if some of the stories are over the top or poorly supported. I'm not aware that Mike Adams is featuring stories to get money. Back that up.

Edited by shifter, 16 October 2014 - 09:35 AM.

[Dolph]

And again the usual suspects in this thread, I can't understand why they don't get banned...

This amount of nonsense, bullshit and stupidity is a shame for a site like this. 

[Luminosity]

Who are you insulting, Dolph, the Big Pharma side or the other side?  If it is the other side, what is your reason?  

 

Generally I find that threads here which threaten to take income from Big Pharma seem to attract attackers with stunning regularity.  I believe that some of those people are paid.  Too bad that so many threads here are allowed to deteriorate like that.  

[Kalliste]

I wish I got paid for that. I am very critical of the pharmaceutical industry from the SENS pov. But the Rense/Prisonplanet pov seems like smoke and mirrors to me. Always some Jew-spaceLizard wackery at work.

[corb]

Do we even know what the girl died from? Did they do an autopsy?

The whole thread is offtopic.

[Luminosity]

What would the autopsy show exactly?  How is this thread off topic?  How did you get trapped here?

 

Where's the Jew-lizard space whackery here? Point it out.

 

Hmmmm.  

 

 

Edited by Luminosity, 21 October 2014 - 03:34 AM.

[Nemo888]

Obviously you've never watched a patient die horribly with a cervical cancer in her abdomen larger than a Kleenex box. Antivaxxers are medically illiterate.

[corb]

What would the autopsy show exactly?  How is this thread off topic?  How did you get trapped here?

 

Where's the Jew-lizard space whackery here? Point it out.

 

Hmmmm.  

 

The whole thread.
The girl died hours after getting vaccinated. So we can safely rule out anaphylaxis.

Her organs were donated later, is what I read from a follow up report. So we can rule out toxicity. Most probably.

Nothing says what the cause of death is.

She was found laying on the floor - well that's super descriptive    - we might as well say she tripped, hit her head and died from that because it's statistically much more probable.

So it would have been good if they did an autopsy and ruled out trauma, as the cause of death at least.

 

Also why is the immunization being the target of the controversy?
Medical manufacturers don't produce these one ampule at a time, if there was something wrong with it, the whole batch would be fucked and kids would be dropping like flies, that's obviously not what happened.
If the shot had something to do with her death well guess what, there's a more probable culprit - sepsis. Sepsis can kill in hours, her immune system was already compromised. The symptoms of her flu or whatever she had could have been masking the infection.

And there you have it. Medical negligence exists.

[Luminosity]

corb, how old are you?  What is your highest level of education and what is it in?  What experience, if any, do you have as a medical professional.  You posture like you are but there seem to be some holes in your logic,  Namely:

 

 

The girl died hours after getting vaccinated. So we can safely rule out anaphylaxis.  How?

Her organs were donated later, is what I read from a follow up report. So we can rule out toxicity. Most probably.  How do you figure this?

 

Nothing says what the cause of death is.

She was found laying on the floor - well that's super descriptive    - we might as well say she tripped, hit her head and died from that because it's statistically much more probable.  What proof do you have that his obvious thing was the cause and was overlooked, especially since her mother was a medical professional?

 

So it would have been good if they did an autopsy and ruled out trauma, as the cause of death at least.  Where do you get the information that they didn't do an autopsy.  If she had died from a vaccine, what would have showed up on autopsy that wouldn't otherwise?

 

Also why is the immunization being the target of the controversy?  Because it looks to knowledgable observers like this vaccine caused her death and that of children.

Medical manufacturers don't produce these one ampule at a time, if there was something wrong with it, the whole batch would be fucked and kids would be dropping like flies, that's obviously not what happened.  If you know about medicine, you know that things have different effects on different people.  One out of so many can become seriously ill or dead from something but the others don't.  The effects can also be different on different people.  They can be delayed on certain people or take a while to be recognized.  The sentence above proves you are a young man who lacks life experience, experience as a medical professional, and medical training; yet you posture as if you were an expert.  The most benevolent explanation is the arrogance of youth.  The other explanation is that you are a paid disinformationalist for Big Pharma.  If the first one is true, remember that you speak of life and death.  Be more cautious.  

 

If the shot had something to do with her death well guess what, there's a more probable culprit - sepsis. Sepsis can kill in hours, her immune system was already compromised. The symptoms of her flu or whatever she had could have been masking the infection.

And there you have it. Medical negligence exists.  Sepsis is a systemic infection that can kill people although it is far less common these days due to antibiotics and the addition of sterility to medical procedures.  She was probably given antibiotics by the doctor, by the way.  So you think the disposable sterile needle was somehow contaminated and the sepsis killed her that quickly?  It doesn't work that quickly.   The symptoms sounded like heavy metal poisoning for her and the other children that died, anyway, probably combined with pathogens.  Again, you know a medical term, sepsis, but you don't really know what it means.         

 

 

 

 

Edited by Luminosity, 26 October 2014 - 02:12 AM.

[Luminosity]

Nemo888, 

 

There's no call to insult people who have a legitimate difference of opinion.  We don't really know if girls who get Gardasil will have less cervical cancer.  That hasn't been proven.  We do know that 26 of them have died from Gardasil in the US and many more have become disabled.  There are other ways to prevent cancer that are safer and more proven.

 

Once, again, noticing the increased opposition to anything that threatens to take income away from Big Pharma.  Increased insults and ad hominem attacks.     

Edited by Luminosity, 26 October 2014 - 02:06 AM.

[Dolph]

Nemo888, 

 

There's no call to insult people who have a legitimate difference of opinion.  We don't really know if girls who get Gardasil will have less cervical cancer.  That hasn't been proven.  We do know that 26 of them have died from Gardasil in the US and many more have become disabled.  There are other ways to prevent cancer that are safer and more proven.

 

Once, again, noticing the increased opposition to anything that threatens to take income away from Big Pharma.  Increased insults and ad hominem attacks.     

 

You just showed how unfounded your self-perceived "legitimate different opinion" is. Thanks for that! You have no clue whatsoever...

[Nemo888]

I agree there is no reason to be insulting to those with a legitimate difference of opinion. But to call out someone who is speculating about microbiology is something completely different.

And no, an arts degree doesn't count.

Edited by PerC, 30 October 2014 - 05:10 PM.

[corb]

The only valid thing I feel I need to answer is this:

 

 

Sepsis is a systemic infection that can kill people although it is far less common these days due to antibiotics and the addition of sterility to medical procedures.  She was probably given antibiotics by the doctor, by the way.  So you think the disposable sterile needle was somehow contaminated and the sepsis killed her that quickly?  It doesn't work that quickly.   The symptoms sounded like heavy metal poisoning for her and the other children that died, anyway, probably combined with pathogens.  Again, you know a medical term, sepsis, but you don't really know what it means.        

 

I'm just gonna point out Gardrasil is not the only vaccine with an aluminum compound in it's ingredients. In fact it's quite common. And I checked - Merck use the same compound in a lot of their vaccines.

 

So yes I do believe the manufacturer messing up the amount of aluminum in the vaccine is less probable than the needle being contaminated. And messing up the amount would be the only way because as I pointed out the same additive is in other vaccines, the deaths would not be limited to Gardrasil.

 

But if you believe you're right and you're a medical professional, you have the capability of proving it.

Would be pretty embarrassing if you're not one though, since you like to point out other people aren't.

 

I'm happy that I managed to steer the thread to actual discussion about the immunization at least.

 

 

 

 

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Man it sure is nice getting all these money from big pharma with my high school degree with a failing grade for tenth grade biology though.

Would've made it my signature but the forum doesn't allow it. Such a shame.

Edited by corb, 26 October 2014 - 02:45 PM.

[Nemo888]

Aluminium is less dense than iron so it is not technically a heavy metal. The 0.5 ml dose of Gardasil has 225µg of aluminium hydroxyphosphate sulfate, so aluminium is less than a quarter of that compound's mass in a very rough calculation. So lets say roughly 50µg of actual aluminium.  If that amount of aluminium is dangerous applying antiperpirant or taking an antacid would regularly be fatal. Normal levels of aluminum in serum are approximately 1–3 μg/L.  The average westerner consumes about 10,000μg each day. At least 300μg enters your blood daily.

Edited by Nemo888, 26 October 2014 - 03:34 PM.

[Luminosity]

It's injected into the blood.  What is the safe amount for that?  Does it penetrate the blood/brain barrier?  If so, that's worse.  The blood/brain barrier can be more permeable in some people than others.  I believe that.  I still think the vaccines that say they no longer contain mercury might still have it.  It is a heavy metal.  None of you have found an independent lab analysis from a reliable source telling us if this or other, "mercury-free vaccines" really are.  

 

Descending to personal insults exposes the paucity of the opposing arguments.  Looks like possible disinformation to me.

 

Nemo is in Canada.  He implies he is a medical professional who has watched someone die from untreated or unsuccessfully treated cancer.  Couldn't that have a lot to do with long delays in being treated due to underfunded government health care?  Yes, we should do every safe, proven thing we can to prevent cancer, which this is not, but if you work for a system that leaves cancer victims without treatment for such long periods of time, why is that my fault?    

 

Corb, thank you for telling us your medical background; failing tenth grade biology.  The answer to your points would mostly be found in my previous points.  Comprehension could be better.  

Edited by Luminosity, 29 October 2014 - 06:12 AM.

[Nemo888]

Average intake of a westerner per day 10,000μg, roughly 0.03 of that should cross into the blood stream. 300μg. Aluminium hydroxyphosphate sulfate is too big to cross the blood brain barrier but may change it's permeability or the roughly 50μg of aluminium may do so as the aluminium hydroxyphosphate sulfate is metabolized. But if that were as toxic as you suggest some antacids would be fatal. Aluminium is obviously not a healthy thing to ingest and escaping it is very hard.

 

Alu-Cap is recommended for use as a phosphate binding agent in the management of renal failure. It may also be used as an antacid.

4.2 Posology and method of administration

FOR PHOSPHATE BINDING

ADULTS AND CHILDREN: The dosage must be selected in accordance with individual patient requirements, and may range from 4 to 20 capsules of Alu-Cap daily (approximately 2 to 10 g dried aluminium hydroxide gel), taken with meals.

AS AN ANTACID

ADULTS: One Alu-Cap four times daily and on retiring.

 

 

I am not a doctor. I was an Army medic and work in an OR now that I am a civilian. Medical mismanagement does play a part, but that would have been irrelevant if she had received the vaccine. In my province wait times are no worse than the US. ;Results

There were significant associations between lower socioeconomic status and longer surgical waits, lower access to adjuvant RT and to longer RT waits across diverse places in California. None were observed in Ontario. The two cohorts did not practically differ on access to surgery or on surgical waits. Compared with their counterparts in California, low-income Ontarians, particularly those in small urban places, gained greater access to RT, while high-income Americans had shorter waits for RT.

 

What is your arts degree?

Edited by Nemo888, 29 October 2014 - 11:56 AM.

[niner]

It's injected into the blood.  What is the safe amount for that?  Does it penetrate the blood/brain barrier?  If so, that's worse.  The blood/brain barrier can be more permeable in some people than others.  I believe that.  I still think the vaccines that say they no longer contain mercury might still have it.  It is a heavy metal.  None of you have found an independent lab analysis from a reliable source telling us if this or other, "mercury-free vaccines" really are.  

 

Descending to personal insults exposes the paucity of the opposing arguments.  Looks like possible disinformation to me.

 

Nemo is in Canada.  He implies he is a medical professional who has watched someone die from untreated or unsuccessfully treated cancer.  Couldn't that have a lot to do with long delays in being treated due to underfunded government health care?  Yes, we should do every safe, proven thing we can to prevent cancer, which this is not, but if you work for a system that leaves cancer victims without treatment for such long periods of time, why is that my fault?    

 

Corb, thank you for telling us your medical background; failing tenth grade biology.  The answer to your points would mostly be found in my previous points.  Comprehension could be better.  

 

You're something else.  You think vaccines that don't have mercury secretly still have it?  What in the world leads you to this idea?   You criticize others for personal insults (or comments that you perceive as such) yet you are more than willing to dish them out to others. 

 

You ask others about their educational history, but refuse to discuss your own medical background.  I have a suspicion that you have never passed a science course in your life.

[Kalliste]

Everyone has a PHd in Googling these days. I remember when I used to be hot on CS-theories. It felt exciting to "be in the know".

Edited by Cosmicalstorm, 29 October 2014 - 01:53 PM.

[joelcairo]

I'm late to this thread, but I have done a lot of research into the HPV connection to cancer (not about the vaccine itself), and it is extremely well documented. To the point that researchers can see the exact gene that has been introduced by oncogenic strains of HPV, and can study how it accelerates the development of cancer in cells. There is no doubt about causality.

 

Not surprisingly, the implications go beyond cancer of the cervix. That's merely the best-characterized connection to cancer, because nearly 100% of cases of this kind of cancer can be traced to HPV. The epidemiology is still being worked out so I'm not going to state anything authoritatively, but HPV has been connected to prostate cancer, bladder cancer, cancer of the throat, and so on. Basically anywhere the virus can spread by contact.