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For those who think God is against life extension.....

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#121 shadowhawk

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Posted 14 March 2015 - 11:48 PM

I can see your mind is closed to the ethics of not killing others when you think it is in your interest to do so.  However you do not want someone to take your organs.  Don't go to China where they take peoples organs by force or perhaps you would be in the market for something like that.


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Posted 15 March 2015 - 12:32 PM

I have never killed some one for my interest, and I will not in the future. The big question in your argument is at what extend the destruction of a cloned fetus is killing some one else.



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Posted 16 March 2015 - 10:35 PM

What are these things but humans who are growing?  Nothing changes in this fact throughout life.  You can kill a human at any time and define them as not human.  Many have.  Stop imposing your values on humans so you can kill them and take their body parts for your own selfish ends.  This approach you have taken is not about life but death.


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Posted 17 March 2015 - 08:28 AM

You don't make a difference between human tissue and a developed human.

 

I think, that you know more than me about the Christianity. When according to the Christianity the soul is given in the human body?



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Posted 17 March 2015 - 10:01 PM

Define it away if you must impose your view on what is human but the only thing that changes a human throughout life is they go through stages.  Therefore it is human to go through stages just as you  yourself are.  You must dehumanize life to avoid the ethical consequences.



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Posted 18 March 2015 - 08:58 AM

If we suggest, that human tissues and organs without a working brain are ethical for transplantation, then we have to agree, that transplanting organs from a fetus with no working brain is ethical also.

 

If we agree, that each human thing, that may become a human, has to become a human, then we have to use cloning to clone as many times ourselves, as many cells we have, which is insane.



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Posted 18 March 2015 - 08:57 PM

Can you think of any animal which is not that animal until it has a brain?  What other body part could you use for your definition?  Nonsense,  it is human and the only difference from any other Human is it is changing and growing and since all humans change it is no difference at all.  Human life starts at conception and that is the scientific truth.  We could all claim you are hot human for any reason we can make up but that does not get around the fact this is human life which if not killed would go through all the stages of human life.  You are imposing your personal beliefs on someone else, resulting in their death.


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Posted 31 March 2015 - 10:33 PM

Bump, This discussion was getting exciting...I don't want yall to forget about it.  :happy:


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#129 Area-1255

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Posted 31 March 2015 - 10:53 PM

Why would you use the bible for any moral or ethical decisions? If you use it, without being accused of picking and choosing, you have to be willing to accept these as well:

 

 

Leviticus 20:13 ESV / 705 helpful votes

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

 

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

    Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

 

Kill Witches

    You should not let a sorceress live.  (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

 

Laws of Rape   (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

 

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

 

Kill False Prophets

    If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.   (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

 

    The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath.  He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies!  The LORD is slow to get angry, but his power is great, and he never lets the guilty go unpunished.  He displays his power in the whirlwind and the storm.  The billowing clouds are the dust beneath his feet.  At his command the oceans and rivers dry up, the lush pastures of Bashan and Carmel fade, and the green forests of Lebanon wilt.  In his presence the mountains quake, and the hills melt away; the earth trembles, and its people are destroyed.  Who can stand before his fierce anger?  Who can survive his burning fury?  His rage blazes forth like fire, and the mountains crumble to dust in his presence.  The LORD is good.  When trouble comes, he is a strong refuge.  And he knows everyone who trusts in him.  But he sweeps away his enemies in an overwhelming flood.  He pursues his foes into the darkness of night.   (Nahum 1:2-8 NLT)

 

And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen.  "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive."  (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)

I think we need a solvent for the flames. Note, this entire paragraph is not only falsely portrayed (as in headlines don't belong and shouldn't be merged), but also , it is from the old testament, which  makes it practically irrelevant to what should be applied to the current times. Unless you are talking about historical context or specific characters from the OT - it's inconsistent with the Faith and the motto.

 

At the same time, one could argue the generalized passages that repeat themselves, and thus the consistent* take-backs present in say, ECCLESIASTES or in PSALMS.. generally these are the chapters, along with Hebrews & Romans which have a more intelligent discussion at play. 

 

I was never one for story books (not saying the entire Bible is) - but The chapter of Joshua was actually pretty inspiring...if you can immerse yourself in a movie like atmosphere - it can make for a new look on life in general. 

 

I'm sure many of you can relate to the amount of resilience and even relentless behavior demonstrated in that chapter.


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Posted 31 March 2015 - 11:38 PM

It is also totally off topic which is the reason I didn't follow the rabbit trail.  However, there are many good studies for those interested on this sieve of objections.  No use wasting your time because he is not really interested.  Do you want references?  Yes the Old Covenant of the Old Testament is different than the New and Christ.  These are all OT scriptures but Christ fulfilled the Old so we still need to explain it.


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