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[Multivitz]

           There is no Virus known to Man that can not be overcome by his own immune system.

                                         

Is the statement wrong or right? Is it incomplete? Should it be repeated, and said to others? Is it half right? By not believing it, what could be at risk for others and you? do you need to ask if it is sexist? What does this statement say about the author of it? What could make others feel different about the statement when it's read or repeated? Should this statement be a reality for everyone?

 

 

If you fully understand from a immunological point of view, I doubt you would have any problems with this statement and say your bit, but can you support it without FALLACY appearing? Of course this statement is, "just made up" you cry, prove it's not true. Check in on the post now and then, even if you are confident you already know, you may find out something of value from others, or me, if you haven't already?

 

In this Topic we're looking for answers, not because anyone's greedy, but because there's quite a few questions up the top there already. If the answers are wrong in your eyes, ask a question about the answer don't just state YOUR answer with a Reference to it. References are welcome, but if it's a small point in a sea of writing, please say where the info is (how many lines down, or just give the reader a clue to save thier time).                   Read through the posts and if there's an answer already for your question don't bother adding yours. It's NOT a popularity contest. Spelling is not crucial unless it could be misconstuded, any words new to you use a DICTIONARY of sorts.                                We are responsable for our own feelings, deal with it as best you can, sorry but FACTS and BETTER FACTS can be taken out of and into CONTEXT. If you are rusty on the CONCEPT of CONTEXT I urge all readers to brush up on their TRIVIUM, there's plenty of self help and content source online.

    

Edited by Multivitz, 30 January 2015 - 10:52 PM.

[Danail Bulgaria]

Incomplete. The things are complicated. The immune system is important, but it is not the most important factor. HIV attack directly the immune system. Many criterias have to be taken under consideration - what virus, in what concentration, what stam and sub-stam. In enough concentration each virus can overcome the immune system.

Edited by seivtcho, 30 January 2015 - 10:17 PM.

[Multivitz]

How does this concentration get into the body, how is it allowed to grow, even in a very deadly virus people live. What makes them live is it luck!!! So what are the immune barriers? You said the immune system isn't important, so the skin isn't important!? Is your representation a risk to others? After all there are people who live with Aids and others who no longer have it, am I wrong?

Edited by Multivitz, 04 February 2015 - 07:58 AM.

[Danail Bulgaria]

The things are very complicated, @Multivitz

 

People may get a virus,and it to stay resident for decades. People with a strong immune system may get a virus, and some times people with a proven compromised immune system may not get the very same type of virus. If a virus will get you, or not, there are many factors - degree of compatability of the virus with your genotype, concentration of the virus, the path for getting the virus, simmilarities with otherviruses, that your immune system has beaten successfully.

[Multivitz]

So does the statement at the start of this topic stand true, if the human had an uncomprimised immune system? How can we tell if someones immune system is working properly? And don't forget the title of this topic, you'll notice that there's little comments from others. Maybe others know their knowlege may not be correct and have decided to remain quiet until they have 'need' to comment? I know the concept of a biological immune system is complex, don't let that put you off understanding how good it can be. There must be some immunologist on this forum that haven't been gagged, surely!?

[BasicBiO]

It's true if one looks at the statement at the population level.  There is no single virus species that could take out every living human being ( that would also not be in any viruses' self interest..ie an evolutionary dead-end). Sure, it can burn through quite a few of us, but eventually it would run into that percentage of the populace with resistance or even immunity. As a species, we're also kinda smart and have been known to supplement, modify or enhance our immunities when needed.

[Multivitz]

Thats all well and good.   But......the statement says 'man', not 'man kind', or 'men', I think it's in the singular context. What supplements enhance the immune system? I actually think the immune system doesn't need modifiying, what things have you, or anyone else had in mind that would be good at modifying it? A virus has it's place, it's home depends on if it's terrain is viable, most of the time they are not noticed until symptoms appear. Getting rid of one usually requires a change of heart(emotionally)!

[Danail Bulgaria]

The best, that you can to train your immunity against a virus is to vaccinate against the certain virus. Even that on mind, there are no vaccines against all viruses. For some viruses you can't make a vaccine, because they change very fast. 

[Multivitz]

So you take a normal immune system, that you may fear could come into contact with a virus, and flood its receptor environment with bogus protien(vaccine) information to enable nearly all the cells involved to stop what they are doing and focus on using its precious stores to fight against a pretend virus? Is that training our immune system, does it need training that way?  That would allow other things to attack us surely? That would waste the precious stores of Selenium, Zinc, Amino acids and antioxidants that are needed to run and make the immune system actively work at any capacity(unless the immune system had no stores in the first place!!).  They say a vaccine shot can take 10 years or more for the bone marrow to recover its Amino Acid stores, I have no reference for this as yet, I just remembered it from a good source some years back. Viruses and Fungi adapt themselves one way or another, it seems they live inside us changing to the environment in there within a few generations of growth.     It seems to me that the environment needs to be uninhabitable for them to leave/give up. How do we make our inner environment uninhabitable for viruses?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        A virus outbreak usually has a different protien arrangment than the ones before it, thats why vaccines are a waste of time for most people? Please note the question mark, feel free to reference something. I know the Flu jab made satistics worse.  Each cell also has it's own miniture immunity system to, do Vaccines over express that to!!? What is a strong immune system, how is it measured in modern and old medical systems?

Edited by Multivitz, 09 February 2015 - 07:07 PM.