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#1 TheFountain

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 11:24 PM


Sorry, Paleo Eaters: Your Diet Is Pretty Much Made Up Today’s ‘caveman' menu doesn’t look anything like what humans were consuming at the time.
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February 19, 2015 By Jason Best
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Jason Best is a regular contributor to TakePart who has worked for Gourmet and the Natural Resources Defense Council.

Bread and pasta lovers tired of hearing from their carnivorous friends on the Paleo diet about the evils lurking in that plate of spaghetti can take heart: Here’s yet another academic rebuttal to the Paleo fad that will make you feel better about not trying to eat like a caveman.

“Reconstructions of human evolution are prone to simple, overly tidy scenarios,” writes Ken Sayers, who studies primate and human evolution at Georgia State University. “Like much of our understanding of early hominoid behavior, the imagined diet of our ancestors has also been over-simplified.”

Sayers’ opinion piece, which appeared over at The Conversation on Tuesday, is a follow-up to research he and Kent State University anthropologist C. Owen Lovejoy published in The Quarterly Review of Biology last December. The pair looked at the fossil record as well as chemical and archaeological evidence to try to determine what some of our earliest ancestors ate. They also incorporated a bit of “optimal foraging theory,” which uses mathematical models to predict how certain animals would find food in the wild based on various parameters.

RELATED: Bad News for Paleos: Study Finds High-Protein Diets Are as Risky as Smoking

The crux of their findings? What our hirsute forebears ate 6 million to 1.6 million years ago was no doubt entirely different from what modern-day fans of the Paleo diet eat. The diet varied so much depending on place and circumstance that it’s almost impossible for anthropologists to generalize what early hominids, who adapted to living in a range of environments, ate on a regular basis.

“Hominids didn’t spread first across Africa, and then the entire globe, by utilizing just one foraging strategy or sticking to a precise mix of carbohydrates, proteins and fats,” Sayers writes. “We did it by being ever so flexible, both socially and ecologically, and always searching for the greener grass (metaphorically), or riper fruit (literally).”

True, our ancestors weren’t kicking back around the fire noshing on Doritos and Dr. Pepper. If anthropologists have labored to point out that our modern ideas about what our distant forebears were eating are based more on myth than on science (see evolutionary biologist Marlene Zuk’s Paleofantasy), most nutritionists at least cautiously endorse the Paleo diet’s rejection of highly processed foods that have been stripped of vital nutrients, the rampant consumption of which has been linked to a host of chronic, diet-related ills.

But as Sayers’ research suggests, anyone trying to approximate the diet of our primitive ancestors would likely have to start by replicating a sort of feast-and-famine cycle with respect to various food groups—because foraging in the wild means dealing with seasonal flux in the availability of different types of food. It would also mean dramatically expanding our notion of what’s edible.

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“[P]lants’ underground storage organs (such as tubers), sedges, fruits, invertebrate and vertebrate animals, leaves and bark were all on the menu for at least some early hominids,” Sayers writes, noting that while evidence shows that hominids 2.6 million years ago were eating antelope, the question of whether the animals were hunted or scavenged “is hotly debated.”

That our earliest ancestors may have been subsisting on a diet of bugs and bark, or the prehistoric equivalent of roadkill, flies in the face of what is the oft-unstated, perhaps even subliminal, attraction of the Paleo diet, particularly among men: the image of the lean, fleet, proud early hunter, perfectly attuned to his natural environment, gorging on a feast of freshly killed beast—which, for today’s Paleos, apparently equates to eating plenty of bison steak.

“[T]he idea that our more ancient ancestors were great hunters is likely off the mark, as bipedality—at least before the advance of sophisticated cognition and technology—is a mighty poor way to chase game,” Sayers writes. “The anthropologist Bruce Latimer has pointed out that the fastest human being on the planet can’t catch up to your average rabbit. Another reason to be opportunistic about food.”

Instead of thinking of ourselves as somehow prehistorically aligned with the mighty hunters of the African plains—lions, say, or cheetahs—we might do better to look to the foraging habits of other animals for clues to how our ancestors ate. Sayers cites research that has found the back teeth of hominids were “bunodont,” that is, “low with rounded cusps,” suggesting our distant cousins were perhaps more omnivorous, like bears, which have similar teeth, as do pigs.

But eating like a hog in the name of good health is a lot less attractive than gorging on bacon.

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#2 TheFountain

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Posted 26 February 2015 - 08:35 PM

Whatcha think?



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#3 Juangalt

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Posted 26 February 2015 - 09:07 PM

I don't think anyone ever claimed that by eating a high protein, low carb organic diet that you were perfectly mirroring the diet of your ancestors. And I also don't think paleo people are too averse (conceptually) to things like insects or starchy tubers (though potatoes are debated). And given that diets are so variable and that humans are so adaptable, the strength of paleo is to at least approximate one possible ancestral diet. But as knowledge evolves, people are getting into some of the previously taboo practices that bring us closer to the diets of our ancestors. Probiotics and fermented foods, for instance, might have seemed "weird" not too long ago. You can buy insect protein bars. So maybe bark is next. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with "Paleo" or that Paleo is stupid.


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#4 timar

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Posted 27 February 2015 - 09:18 PM

Whatcha think?

 

Paleo is a deeply flawed concept anyway. See this excellent critique of paleo diets: http://plantpositive.com/

 

The guy is a vegan, so sometimes he gets a bit carried away, but his main points are spot-on.


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#5 TheFountain

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Posted 27 February 2015 - 11:21 PM

I was wondering if the smart ass who wrote this article was vegan also. 



#6 JohnD60

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Posted 27 February 2015 - 11:26 PM

The actual article written by Sayers is based strictly upon conjecture based models, not any real scientific findings. And it doesn't even support the OP's claims (or the claims of the vegan ideologue Jason Best). Sayer's article merely suggests that the diet of the of prehistoric man varied based upon scarcity. dah.


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#7 Juangalt

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Posted 02 March 2015 - 09:32 PM

 

Whatcha think?

 

Paleo is a deeply flawed concept anyway. See this excellent critique of paleo diets: http://plantpositive.com/

 

The guy is a vegan, so sometimes he gets a bit carried away, but his main points are spot-on.

 

 

There's a lot of content on there, so I naturally haven't read it all. But I think the idea that paleo is necessarily meat-heavy is just a stereotype. The important concept behind paleo is that you eat the way your ancestors did. Theoretically, you would give more weight to the more recent ancestors and less weight going further back. The last 10,000 years (agriculture) is a real period where evolution did occur and so agricultural staples need not be ignored. I think many of us have issues with these late-comers because they weren't the staples that our particular ancestors ate, and so we haven't fully adapted to eating them. So, to be safe, eating the foods from further back in the evolutionary chain makes sense.

 

And I don't think any anthropologist is out there saying that the majority of humanity evolved eating a meat-based diet. It was probably no more than 5-20% meat in all but the most extreme cases. It's just not that easy to kill big game relative to how easy it is to find fruit, vegetables and tubers in most cases. But the point is we should be eating only foods that OUR OWN ancestors thrived upon.



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Posted 02 March 2015 - 09:40 PM

But the point is we should be eating only foods that OUR OWN ancestors thrived upon.

 

 

...which would be largely grains for most of the past 100-150 centuries, at least if your ancestors lived in Europe, or Asia, or the Americas. 

 

As for "thriving," well, it is debatable how much any of our ancestors ever thrived. 

 


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#9 Juangalt

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Posted 02 March 2015 - 09:51 PM

 

But the point is we should be eating only foods that OUR OWN ancestors thrived upon.

 

 

...which would be largely grains for most of the past 100 centuries. 

 

 

I'm aware, but "grains" doesn't mean much. If you knew 100% that your ancestors thrived on a certain grain for most or all of the 10k years, then by all means, go ahead. But most of us are of mixed genetics. If you're New Guinean, you probably ate tubers, Asian, rice and millet. Mexican, corn. Innuit, none at all. The differences in these are substantial and to put them all in the same category and expect no food sensitivity issues is wrong.

 

And just anecdotally, as an anthropology major I had the opportunity to get my hands on some Egyptian remains from one of the pyramid building periods (not sure which). The professor informed us (I have no other proof for this) that their diet was almost entirely whole grains. They all had dental abscesses and cavities. They did not look like they were thriving. Granted, no one recommends a mono-diet like that these days, either.

 

I'm not convinced that A) we ever "thrived" on a primarily grain-based diet, B) that we fully adapted to a primarly grain-based diet, C) that by adapting to one grain, that you've adapted to them all.

 

That said, if you aren't sensitive to a grain, then by all means, add it to your diet. Paleo is still a sound concept.


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#10 nowayout

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Posted 02 March 2015 - 10:17 PM


I'm not convinced that A) we ever "thrived" on a primarily grain-based diet, B) that we fully adapted to a primarly grain-based diet, C) that by adapting to one grain, that you've adapted to them all.

 

That said, if you aren't sensitive to a grain, then by all means, add it to your diet. Paleo is still a sound concept.

 

 

It does seem to be the case that some pre-agricultural cultures had bigger and possibly healthier-looking skeletons.  But maybe it was caloric abundance, not grains per se, given that we have been producing larger skeletons again during the past century despite all the grains we eat. 

 

As for longevity, which is after all what this site is about, I am not sure if it necessarily coincides with larger skeletons or with paleodiets.  Modern hunter-gatherers don't seem to be particularly long-lived compared to, say, even ancient grain-eating Mediterraneans, who seem to have considered three score and ten. give or take, to be a normal lifespan (excluding disease), much like we do today.  A number of famous ancient Greeks are known to have lived into their 80s or 90s.  

 

Even today many of the older Spanish and Japanese who have the highest life-expectancies in the world are short - their growth was stunted due to hard times during wars and limited diets where grain was and is a staple. 


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#11 Juangalt

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Posted 02 March 2015 - 10:33 PM

 


I'm not convinced that A) we ever "thrived" on a primarily grain-based diet, B) that we fully adapted to a primarly grain-based diet, C) that by adapting to one grain, that you've adapted to them all.

 

That said, if you aren't sensitive to a grain, then by all means, add it to your diet. Paleo is still a sound concept.

 

 

It does seem to be the case that some pre-agricultural cultures had bigger and possibly healthier-looking skeletons.  But maybe it was caloric abundance, not grains per se, given that we have been producing larger skeletons again during the past century despite all the grains we eat. 

 

As for longevity, which is after all what this site is about, I am not sure if it necessarily coincides with larger skeletons or with paleodiets.  Modern hunter-gatherers don't seem to be particularly long-lived compared to, say, grain-eating Mediterraneans or Japanese. 
 

 

You may be right on that account, although those long-lived cultures eat a diverse diet, not grains alone, and they tend to be more traditional. A Japanese person can be relatively sure that rice was one of the staples his/her ancestors ate for the past 10k years.

 

You are certainly right that eating excess meat/protein may cause developmental and epigenetic changes that might be pro-growth and anti-longevity.


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Posted 03 March 2015 - 11:21 PM

What made humans the dominate species was our ability to obtain calories. The cavemen had an unreliable source of calories. Hunting was a very unpredictable and unreliable source of continuous calories. Once humans understood agriculture, we now had a very abundant and continuous source of energy, which gave us a huge advantage over the other species and was essentially a huge accomplishment for humanity. This grain could now be fed to livestock like goats, sheep and cows and now they could provide dairy and meat. In the 1800s during the industrial revolution The Secular Trend began and still exists to this day. Also since 1900, the amount of essential-fatty-acids in the human body has increased massively. These fats have biological functions and the outcome of such a drastic shift is being played out now with all of the inflammatory and autoimmune-diseases.

 

The timeline the way I see it looks like this:

Hunter/Gather Era--- Very little calories, lots of fiber, low-fat/low-protein, feast and famine.

Agricultural-Era--- Moderate calories, lots of fiber, low-fat/low-protein.

Industrial-Era--- Lots of calories, moderate fiber, moderate-fat/moderate-protein.

Modern-diet--- Lots of calories, very little fiber, high-fat/high-protein, lots of sugar.

 

Overtime we have obtained more and more calories and more of the essential-amino-acids and the essential-fatty-acids. We have gone from one spectrum to another. You also have to take into account for dioxins. These chemicals are inside everybody for a lifetime and have so many nasty biological effects that we still are learning about them. Of course there was no pollution back in the hunter/gather-era and these chemical did not exist then.

 

 

 


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#13 Juangalt

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Posted 04 March 2015 - 01:15 AM

I mostly agree except the hunter/gatherers had a huge variation in diets. Some of them probably had massive amounts of  Omega-3s/EFAs and others very little. But in addition to fish sources, meat likely had a lot more EFAs than it does today during that period. And yes, calories helped us succeed as a species, but that doesn't mean that people were overly healthy, especially during the transition to grains.


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Posted 04 March 2015 - 01:42 PM

 Of course there was no pollution back in the hunter/gather-era and these chemical did not exist then.

 

This is not quite the case.  Indoor fires (in colder climates) most likely caused lots of "pollution-related" health problems, as they still do in modern times. 
 


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