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[stolpioni]

Hi,

After a 5 year long heavy drug abuse of mostly amphetamines I have been feeling pretty bad the last few years.
I am on Zoloft and have now been diagnosed with low testosterone levels (even though I use every natty test booster out there,
lift heavy and sleep a lot).

Now my doctor wants to put me on testosterone injections as well as HCG (as to not lose my fertility - I am only 24 years old).

Is there anything I should think about here? What are the long term effects of getting on TRT with HCG injections?

I have heard that there might be concern that HCG stops working after a few years, leaving me infertile/unable to have kids.
Is this a valid concern?

Thank you.

By the way, my total testosterone (after a 4 month natural "optimization" strategy) was 4.50 ug/dl ("normal" range: 2.80 - 8.00...normal range for my AGE is around 7.50 though),
and free testosterone was 8 (normal range 9 - 30).

Cheers,
Stolpioni

[nowayout]

A single blood test is not enough to diagnose low testosterone, because some day-to-day fluctuation is normal.  Also, for diagnostic purposes the blood needs to be taken in the morning within a couple of hours of waking up, because it is normal for testosterone in healthy young men to be much lower in the afternoon than in the morning.  Was this a morning draw? 

 

Also, there is really no such thing as "normal for your age."   If you look at blood testosterone values of completely healthy young men, they are all over the place.  Just because someone took an average, that doesn't mean you must be at the average.  Also, bear in mind that different studies in young men got different averages, many of them much lower than what you are thinking.  I remember studies of testosterone levels in young elite athletes whose testosterone levels were about what yours are.    

Edited by nowayout, 02 March 2015 - 01:59 PM.

[Omega 3 Snake Oil]

I've been on Androgel, 50mg daily due to very low T (dropped from 350 to 193 over the past several years, due I think to Lyme and associated damage to HPA axis). Now I've added HCG (300 iu per day) to help maintain natural T production. I'm wondering how safe and effective this combo will be, long term? 

Also, I've read that HCG increases pregnenolone. When I tried a preg. capsule (Rxed by a ND), I broke open a 25mg capsule and took around one-fifth of it. This gave me a bad neurological reaction: flared my POTS/low BP, dropped my body temp to around 94f, and slowed my breathing badly. These symptoms have been a problem for me for years and I think speak to damage to the hypothalamus. With this in mind, is HCG anything I need to worry about?

Edited by Omega 3 Snake Oil, 09 November 2018 - 06:17 PM.

[John250]

Hi,

After a 5 year long heavy drug abuse of mostly amphetamines I have been feeling pretty bad the last few years.
I am on Zoloft and have now been diagnosed with low testosterone levels (even though I use every natty test booster out there,
lift heavy and sleep a lot).

Now my doctor wants to put me on testosterone injections as well as HCG (as to not lose my fertility - I am only 24 years old).

Is there anything I should think about here? What are the long term effects of getting on TRT with HCG injections?

I have heard that there might be concern that HCG stops working after a few years, leaving me infertile/unable to have kids.
Is this a valid concern?

Thank you.

By the way, my total testosterone (after a 4 month natural "optimization" strategy) was 4.50 ug/dl ("normal" range: 2.80 - 8.00...normal range for my AGE is around 7.50 though),
and free testosterone was 8 (normal range 9 - 30).

Cheers,
Stolpioni

I posted some information here but if you have any specific questions feel free to ask. I might be a little limited this weekend but I will respond ASAP.

https://www.longecit...s-hghetc/page-8


Also hCG will not cause fertility issues in fact it helps with that. Testosterone however can decrease sperm count but it’s different for everyone. It should not effect sperm mobility but could decrease count. I have been on steroids and Hrt for over 10yrs and I’m 36yrs old. I had both my boys within only a few months of trying when I was 30 and 32yrs old. I also took a sperm count test and it showed I had nearly nothing but I guess I had pretty good mobility as you can have billions of non-mobile sperm that are useless but only a few that her mobile could get the job done. Also feel free to mention what is protocol was as in how much testosterone per week in how many injections per week in the same with the hCG. Also don’t worry about any birth defects being on testosterone as it does not interfere with DNA only birth defects could occur if the female is using during pregnancy.

Edited by John250, 10 November 2018 - 12:45 AM.

[Rocket]

There really needs to be a hormone section because this isn't a supplement discussion.

[John250]

There really needs to be a hormone section because this isn't a supplement discussion.

Difficult debate. I would say it falls more in the brain health section maybe mental health as hormones are responsible for mental health. But all in all it doesn’t really matter I think this thread is probably appropriate since steroids and hormone replacement therapy go hand in hand. But then that brings us to the point of what is actually considered a “drug?” Many supplements in this section could be classified as a “drug” and vice versa. But when it comes to steroids and hormone replacement the word drug doesn’t really fit the bill. Supplement is a bit more fitting Imo. I mean technically aspirin is considered a drug.