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#1 Zakariah

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 01:34 PM


Hey everyone,

  Recently i've found myself interested in coffee again - my addiction. The reason why I have given it up in the past is because it has left me feeling constantly fatigued and moody. I have attributed this horrible side-effect with adrenal fatigue.

  I'm curious to know how l-theanine adapts the way caffeine affects the brain. I've heard that the way caffeine produces the sense of energy and focus is by stimulating the adrenal glands - fight or flight response. Does anything different occur when these two are taken together?

 

I would also love to heard stories from people that have been taking l-theanine and caffeiene together for a while now. Are the long-term caffeine side-effects still there? Are there any new long-term side effects? How about the short-term - does l-theanine continue to work its magic after prolonged use?

 

Thanks very much!


Edited by Zakariah, 08 April 2015 - 01:42 PM.


#2 Zakariah

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 04:18 PM

Okay, I guess I should have thought about this question more carefully. Let me direct your focus to this question more so than the last question presented...

   "Is there a way to negate the negative effects *adrenal fatigue* that occurs after prolonged use of caffeine products (namely, coffee)?"



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#3 Zakariah

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 05:21 PM

To stimulate some conversation - Adaptogens like schizandrol a come to my mind when thinking of adrenal fatigue. They help "battle stress". More specifically, Schizandrol A decreases the threshold of cortisol release and increases the amount of dopamine, as well, norepinephrine (which is derived from dopamine). But in my mind, since norepinephrine increases, adrenal fatigue would continue to occur (since that is a part of the fight/flight response).. There are some sources that says it doesn't increase norepinephrine, it just increases dopamine. If that is true, would schizandrol a be a drug to take with coffee in order to hault its negative long term effects?



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Posted 09 April 2015 - 04:12 AM

Sorry that I can't answer your question. I can only relate to my own experience with a similar adaptogen, cordyceps. I'm personally not a caffeine drinker, as I find my stimulation through vaping nicotine. However, when I take cordyceps, I find no need for stimulation since it affects ATP in cells for a very efficient energy boost that lasts throughout the day. If you're suffering from adrenal fatigue, I highly recommend adaptogens (rhodiola also exudes stimulant properties in certain doses) and tapering off the caffeine or quitting altogether to rebuild your tolerance. I also take l-theanine, and I've read that it synergizes well with caffeine, but I'm unsure if taking theanine without caffeine for a prolonged period can reduce caffeine tolerance. I'd do some research on what neurotransmitters long term use of caffeine depletes, work on filling the gap, and then slowly get back into caffeine if you so choose. I believe you're on the right track to figuring this out, and I wish you all the best.



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Posted 09 April 2015 - 04:19 AM

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#6 JmareK

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 04:23 AM

I let you in on a little redbull secret. Lots of taurine and some phenylalanine negates caffeine side effects ;). To a degree. Taurine by itself is useless for energy, the only purpose in energy drinks it that it reduces caffeine related side effects. Phenylalanine is a compound from which norepinephrine is produced, however, in energy drinks it comes from "bad" sweetener aspartame. Another amino acids involved in norepinephrine production is L-Tyrosine (converts to L-Dopa).

 

So, technically these three are your main candidates: Taurine, L-phenylalanine and L-tyrosine.

 

But you have to understand the way caffeine works, is that it doesn't stimulate adrenalin system, it is blocking the receptors in the body which naturally suppresses adrenalin. In turn, unleashing your adrenal hormones and depleting resources.

Therefore, these supplements can reduce caffeine side effects, but high doses of caffeine will almost certainly cause crashes anyway.

 

A little caffeine goes a longer way.

 

The only alertness booster that doesn't cause crashes is modafinil, which is a prescription drug. But there are precursors, which do not require prescription (yet), such as adrafinil.


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#7 Godof Smallthings

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 12:00 PM

Interesting, I happen to have all those in the fridge, bar tyrosine. Do you also know the optimal ratio for caffeine, taurine and phenylalanine?



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Posted 19 April 2015 - 01:40 PM

Sorry that I can't answer your question. I can only relate to my own experience with a similar adaptogen, cordyceps.

Would you say which brand and form do you use?



#9 zaratoo

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Posted 19 April 2015 - 02:17 PM

Interesting, I happen to have all those in the fridge, bar tyrosine. Do you also know the optimal ratio for caffeine, taurine and phenylalanine?

12,5:1 Tau:Caff is rather popular ratio. As for cateholamines precursors, you need to experiment a little. Effectiveness of their use depends on e.g. your BH4 levels, maybe something else. In pre-made drinks LPA is from Aspartame as JmareK mention, so it actually isn't functional component. Just cheap zero-cal sweetener..



#10 VerdeGo

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Posted 19 April 2015 - 06:27 PM

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post the brand here, but I use Aloha Medicinals for cordyceps and Enzymatic Therapy for my theanine. You have quite a few options available in the adaptogenic world for adrenal fatigue. Each has its own unique properties, but there are similarities in all of them. You could try something as simple as holy basil, or work your way up to rhodiola, but there are probably dozens of herbs out there that address adrenal fatigue issues.



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Posted 21 April 2015 - 04:45 AM

i have a stressful job and i drink coffee and take l-theanine every time i go in. i love it. l only do this 3 days a week since l theanine seems to have some tolerance issues. no side effects of the theanine. obviously coffee is slightly addictive. lots of information already out there about coffee/caffeine. 



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Posted 04 May 2015 - 04:07 AM

About 6 months ago, I began to take a time-released dose of 400mg of theophylline in order to manage my coffee addiction. I went from 7+ cups per day to 1-2. It's a tea extract that's usually used for Asthma. it antagonizes adenosine receptors like caffeine, but in a way that's different, such that it's not a stimulant. However, it greatly reduced my need for coffee, which was 10 years strong at that many cups per day. Careful though, theophylline has a narrow therapeutic index and going to high on a dose can have severe consequences. I would not pass 400mg.

 


#13 Mr Serendipity

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Posted 04 August 2015 - 04:25 AM

Try taking vitamin c with caffeine, here's my experience:

 

http://www.longecity...otropic-effect/



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#14 Zakariah

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 03:23 PM

@Onescewloose - thanks, i'll look into it!

 

@Manny - I read your link - great info, I definitely need to try it!

 

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At the moment, I'm taking caffeine, but i just bought some siberian ginseng and hopefully that will fix my fatigue!







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