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[rauhlooo]

Hello, 3 weeks ago at Wednesday night (23:00) I took 1,5g of Phenibut. Next day, after I woke up at 08:00 I get another 1g of Phenibut. I tooks it for my social anxiety but only one or two doses per month in some stressing situations. At the evening (21:00) I go to the party and I start drinking vodka. I think that over 12 hours its enough to get rid of such dose of Phenibut but after about 0,3 - 0,4l I was totally fucked up what is weird because I can drink a lot more normally. The next few days was like a nightmare. I start thinking that it's my liver problem. I go to doctor and had a lot of tests: morphology, OB, liver, kidneys etc...everything was fine. Only thyroid test looks like something is going wrong. My sleep is very bad. I regulary wake up every 2 - 3h hour. I feel very tired. I have some fatigue attacks during day. I have dryness of tongue at night, little dyspnea and some nervous problems (something like depression). I'm start worring that it can be some GABA receptors problem/damage. Most of this problems as described as Phenibut withdrival/overdose. It was a shock for me and at some points I was thinking that its over. Can it be some GABA damage/deregulation or just some kind of neurosis? I had some "positive" days when it's starts but I started reading some forums and I realy get depressed because of that. Some people have such GABA problems for months which is very depressing for me. I've read some similar post written by some guy who took 700mg of Phenibut and also drink vodka. He claim's that everything has finished up with 2 weeks. In my case it's over 3 weeks and it getting worse. My neurologist prescribe me Pirecetam but it has bad influance on me - I feel more depressed and tired. Two days ago i feel quite good. It's some kind of a cycle. Can somebody give me some advice? I noticed that I have bad days when I have some stressing situations during day. Can it be the result of GABA damage? And if it's even possible to damage GABA receptor with such dose od Phenibut + alcohol? maybe this it'a just result of my negative thinking and extreme fear? I also have EEG test and everything its fine. My doctors seems to not worring about this and keep talking that everything should be fine but it's not... maybe it's just some shock for GABA receptors? can I check it some way if there is no damage?

Edited by rauhlooo, 11 April 2015 - 02:18 PM.

[Metagene]

Can you post your thyroid test results?

[renfr]

You just abused phenibut too much and you need to recover.

Never take phenibut and alcohol at the same time, phenibut acts on GABA B and alcohol on GABA A, which means that the risk of overdosing and dying is extreme.

Phenibut isn't as dangerous on the liver as alcohol so you shouldn't worry, but just in case you can take some NAC (sold OTC in pharmacies) + 1000mg vitamin C for a week if you're worried about your liver.

I don't understand why your doctor prescribed you piracetam, it seems rather stupid to give you a stimulant drug when you're withdrawing from phenibut. The fatigue you have is likely because of sleep deprivation caused by the withdrawal.

 

I suggest you to take before sleeping :

- 3g glycine

- 500mcg melatonin

- 1g taurine

- 500mg elemental magnesium

- eventually you can take some bacopa

 

It will guarrantee you a sound sleep and help you during the withdrawal, melatonin is the most important substance to get, magnesium too. (you can get melatonin prescribed)

 

Take this for one week, then remove everything except melatonin, and cut your melatonin dosage through the second week slowly (you can reintroduce taurine, bacopa, glycine, magnesium as needed). If withdrawal is longer then keep on taking all this.

 

I don't know how much phenibut and alcohol you took and for how long, but you should recover rather fastly. During the day you can take magnesium as needed to fight off stress.

 

In any case I doubt you did damage to yourself, it's just a harsh withdrawal that you did. Phenibut can be used safely once a week and in reasonable doses (less than 2g each time), more than that will lead to dependence.

 

Concerning the thyroid it is unlikely that phenibut or alcohol are responsible for this. You might want to check that as well with your doctor, it could be anything.

 

Good luck.

Edited by renfr, 11 April 2015 - 05:47 PM.

[rauhlooo]

Can you post your thyroid test results?

 

TSH - 5,54 (0,25 - 5,0)

fT4 - 14,71  (10,4 - 19,4)

fT3 - 4,51    (4,0 - 8,3)

[renfr]

 

Can you post your thyroid test results?

 

TSH - 5,54 (0,25 - 5,0)

fT4 - 14,71  (10,4 - 19,4)

fT3 - 4,51    (4,0 - 8,3)

 

 

Your TSH is quite high however your T4 and T3 are in range, it doesn't say a lot, a TSH a little above the range can be transient and totally normal but it could also mean that your thyroid is being stimulated to produce more T4 and T3 because of anormalities.

You should refer to a thyroid specialist as it could be anything.

 

Do you take any other supplements?

Do you have a "lump" under your throat?

Edited by renfr, 11 April 2015 - 06:04 PM.

[rauhlooo]

You just abused phenibut too much and you need to recover.

Never take phenibut and alcohol at the same time, phenibut acts on GABA B and alcohol on GABA A, which means that the risk of overdosing and dying is extreme.

Phenibut isn't as dangerous on the liver as alcohol so you shouldn't worry, but just in case you can take some NAC (sold OTC in pharmacies) + 1000mg vitamin C for a week if you're worried about your liver.

I don't understand why your doctor prescribed you piracetam, it seems rather stupid to give you a stimulant drug when you're withdrawing from phenibut. The fatigue you have is likely because of sleep deprivation caused by the withdrawal.

 

I suggest you to take before sleeping :

- 3g glycine

- 500mcg melatonin

- 1g taurine

- 500mg elemental magnesium

- eventually you can take some bacopa

 

It will guarrantee you a sound sleep and help you during the withdrawal, melatonin is the most important substance to get, magnesium too. (you can get melatonin prescribed)

 

Take this for one week, then remove everything except melatonin, and cut your melatonin dosage through the second week slowly (you can reintroduce taurine, bacopa, glycine, magnesium as needed). If withdrawal is longer then keep on taking all this.

 

I don't know how much phenibut and alcohol you took and for how long, but you should recover rather fastly. During the day you can take magnesium as needed to fight off stress.

 

In any case I doubt you did damage to yourself, it's just a harsh withdrawal that you did. Phenibut can be used safely once a week and in reasonable doses (less than 2g each time), more than that will lead to dependence.

 

Concerning the thyroid it is unlikely that phenibut or alcohol are responsible for this. You might want to check that as well with your doctor, it could be anything.

 

Good luck.

 

Thank you very much for such comprehensive answer. I'm woried about it lasts so long...it's now over 3 weeks

 

Doctors in Poland even don't know what Phenibut is. That's the biggest problem.

 

"I don't know how much phenibut and alcohol you took and for how long"

 

I took 1,5g at Wednesday evening about 23:00 and another 1g at the morning about 08:00 and at the evening i drink about 0,5l of vodka (sound like stupidness but I wait over 12h after last Phenibut dose and I was sure thats enough -> it's not). Generally I took Phenibut only 1/2 times per month without any dose of alcohol

 

Before that incident I have no withdrawal symptons. Can it be the result of overdose? Sometimes I feel terrible it's very depressing

[rauhlooo]

 

 

Can you post your thyroid test results?

 

TSH - 5,54 (0,25 - 5,0)

fT4 - 14,71  (10,4 - 19,4)

fT3 - 4,51    (4,0 - 8,3)

 

 

Your TSH is quite high however your T4 and T3 are in range, it doesn't say a lot, a TSH a little above the range can be transient and totally normal but it could also mean that your thyroid is being stimulated to produce more T4 and T3 because of anormalities.

You should refer to a thyroid specialist as it could be anything.

 

Do you take any other supplements?

Do you have a "lump" under your throat?

 

 

One year ago my TSH was 2.5 so it can be because of that Phenibut and alcohol interaction.

 

"Do you take any other supplements?"

 

Doctor prescribe me Euthyrox N 25 (thyroid hormons). Also prescribe me Hydroxizynum for sleep and Magnokal. Neurologist also prescibe me Neurovit (which is B1, B6, B12). Thats's all

 

Also Piracteam but I must get rid of this. It fucked me up for all day

 

"Do you have a "lump" under your throat?"

 

No I don't. I don't have any problem with my thyroid before...

 

What's about such long last time of this withdrawal? maybe it's my fault...I used to drink a lot of green tea before and one day I drunk few cups of it thinking that can help with my fatigue.

Edited by rauhlooo, 11 April 2015 - 06:51 PM.

[Metagene]

You just abused phenibut too much and you need to recover.
Never take phenibut and alcohol at the same time, phenibut acts on GABA B and alcohol on GABA A, which means that the risk of overdosing and dying is extreme.
Phenibut isn't as dangerous on the liver as alcohol so you shouldn't worry, but just in case you can take some NAC (sold OTC in pharmacies) + 1000mg vitamin C for a week if you're worried about your liver.
I don't understand why your doctor prescribed you piracetam, it seems rather stupid to give you a stimulant drug when you're withdrawing from phenibut. The fatigue you have is likely because of sleep deprivation caused by the withdrawal.

I suggest you to take before sleeping :
- 3g glycine
- 500mcg melatonin
- 1g taurine
- 500mg elemental magnesium
- eventually you can take some bacopa

It will guarrantee you a sound sleep and help you during the withdrawal, melatonin is the most important substance to get, magnesium too. (you can get melatonin prescribed)

Take this for one week, then remove everything except melatonin, and cut your melatonin dosage through the second week slowly (you can reintroduce taurine, bacopa, glycine, magnesium as needed). If withdrawal is longer then keep on taking all this.

I don't know how much phenibut and alcohol you took and for how long, but you should recover rather fastly. During the day you can take magnesium as needed to fight off stress.

In any case I doubt you did damage to yourself, it's just a harsh withdrawal that you did. Phenibut can be used safely once a week and in reasonable doses (less than 2g each time), more than that will lead to dependence.

Concerning the thyroid it is unlikely that phenibut or alcohol are responsible for this. You might want to check that as well with your doctor, it could be anything.

Good luck.

Thank you very much for such comprehensive answer. I'm woried about it lasts so long...it's now over 3 weeks

Doctors in Poland even don't know what Phenibut is. That's the biggest problem.

"I don't know how much phenibut and alcohol you took and for how long"

I took 1,5g at Wednesday evening about 23:00 and another 1g at the morning about 08:00 and at the evening i drink about 0,5l of vodka (sound like stupidness but I wait over 12h after last Phenibut dose and I was sure thats enough -> it's not). Generally I took Phenibut only 1/2 times per month without any dose of alcohol

Before that incident I have no withdrawal symptons. Can it be the result of overdose? Sometimes I feel terrible it's very depressing

That wouldn't qualify as a overdose. The majority of your symptoms can be explained by excessive stress and anxiety. In addition to the doctor's recommendations you should avoid alcohol before bedtime.

Edited by Metagene, 11 April 2015 - 07:56 PM.

[renfr]

 

 

 

Can you post your thyroid test results?

 

TSH - 5,54 (0,25 - 5,0)

fT4 - 14,71  (10,4 - 19,4)

fT3 - 4,51    (4,0 - 8,3)

 

 

Your TSH is quite high however your T4 and T3 are in range, it doesn't say a lot, a TSH a little above the range can be transient and totally normal but it could also mean that your thyroid is being stimulated to produce more T4 and T3 because of anormalities.

You should refer to a thyroid specialist as it could be anything.

 

Do you take any other supplements?

Do you have a "lump" under your throat?

 

 

One year ago my TSH was 2.5 so it can be because of that Phenibut and alcohol interaction.

 

"Do you take any other supplements?"

 

Doctor prescribe me Euthyrox N 25 (thyroid hormons). Also prescribe me Hydroxizynum for sleep and Magnokal. Neurologist also prescibe me Neurovit (which is B1, B6, B12). Thats's all

 

Also Piracteam but I must get rid of this. It fucked me up for all day

 

"Do you have a "lump" under your throat?"

 

No I don't. I don't have any problem with my thyroid before...

 

What's about such long last time of this withdrawal? maybe it's my fault...I used to drink a lot of green tea before and one day I drunk few cups of it thinking that can help with my fatigue.

 

 

 

Yes, take the B vitamins complex, it is important, overall that if you're downing half a liter of vodka you're depleting your B vitamin stores very fast.

 

When did he prescribe you Euthyrox, before or after that event? What kind of thyroid issues do you have exactly?

If you're taking euthyrox then you likely have thyroid issues (hypothyroidism I guess?), this may be the reason of your fatigue.
When you're taking euthyrox, your T4 and T3 levels will slowly rise and normalize and this will boost your metabolism, this can cause fatigue for multiple reasons (vitamin depletion, insufficient food intake, ...).

 

Your problem probably has nothing to do with phenibut, it's already far away and if you're not taking it anymore then it's already metabolized and out of your system.

Check with your doctor to adjust your euthyrox dosage.
 

 

[rauhlooo]

 

 

 

 

Can you post your thyroid test results?

 

TSH - 5,54 (0,25 - 5,0)

fT4 - 14,71  (10,4 - 19,4)

fT3 - 4,51    (4,0 - 8,3)

 

 

Your TSH is quite high however your T4 and T3 are in range, it doesn't say a lot, a TSH a little above the range can be transient and totally normal but it could also mean that your thyroid is being stimulated to produce more T4 and T3 because of anormalities.

You should refer to a thyroid specialist as it could be anything.

 

Do you take any other supplements?

Do you have a "lump" under your throat?

 

 

One year ago my TSH was 2.5 so it can be because of that Phenibut and alcohol interaction.

 

"Do you take any other supplements?"

 

Doctor prescribe me Euthyrox N 25 (thyroid hormons). Also prescribe me Hydroxizynum for sleep and Magnokal. Neurologist also prescibe me Neurovit (which is B1, B6, B12). Thats's all

 

Also Piracteam but I must get rid of this. It fucked me up for all day

 

"Do you have a "lump" under your throat?"

 

No I don't. I don't have any problem with my thyroid before...

 

What's about such long last time of this withdrawal? maybe it's my fault...I used to drink a lot of green tea before and one day I drunk few cups of it thinking that can help with my fatigue.

 

 

 

Yes, take the B vitamins complex, it is important, overall that if you're downing half a liter of vodka you're depleting your B vitamin stores very fast.

 

When did he prescribe you Euthyrox, before or after that event? What kind of thyroid issues do you have exactly?

If you're taking euthyrox then you likely have thyroid issues (hypothyroidism I guess?), this may be the reason of your fatigue.
When you're taking euthyrox, your T4 and T3 levels will slowly rise and normalize and this will boost your metabolism, this can cause fatigue for multiple reasons (vitamin depletion, insufficient food intake, ...).

 

Your problem probably has nothing to do with phenibut, it's already far away and if you're not taking it anymore then it's already metabolized and out of your system.

Check with your doctor to adjust your euthyrox dosage.
 

 

 

He prescribe Euthyrox after the event. I just taking it for a few days. I have very dry skin. All that issues start after that party with Phenibut + alcohol. I'm very lethargic right now. But 2 hours ago I seems to have a lot of motivation etc. It seems to be changing quickly during the day.

 

For few days after that party I had a little fever like 37,7 degree Celsius, horrible dryness of my tongue and I feel some kind of bitter taste in my mouth. Also I notice i had some blurred vision (now it's seems to be fine). Later I have just some fatigue attacks for few hours in a day (like my body want to rest for a while). Now i have a bad and good days. Bad days looks like I have depression symptons but another few days can be quite normal (just with that fatigue attacks). I looks like it's never end up...In addition I have no apetite at all...only sometimes when my mood changes...I think this can be because of quality of my sleep...but I notices that increasing slowly. Today I only woke up one time and the quality of the sleep seems to be better. Also the dryness of my tongue at nigt decreased.

 

I'm worring that it can be because of some damage in my brain...can it be temporary or because of thyroid?

[Metagene]

This is an example of a phenibut+alcohol overdose:

 

http://www.reddit.co...ose_dont_do_it/

 

 

It's possible to estimate alcohol metabolism. Use the calculator below

 

http://www.drinkfox....ohol-metabolism

 

 

I don't know about your normal drinking habits but 0.5l of vodka is a considerable amount. Actual brain damage from consuming 1g of phenibut 12 hours later is highly unlikely. If your symptoms do not improve talk to a endocrinologist.

Edited by Metagene, 13 April 2015 - 10:04 PM.

[rauhlooo]

This is an example of a phenibut+alcohol overdose:

 

http://www.reddit.co...ose_dont_do_it/

 

 

It's possible to estimate alcohol metabolism. Use the calculator below

 

http://www.drinkfox....ohol-metabolism

 

 

I don't know about your normal drinking habits but 0.5l of vodka is a considerable amount. Actual brain damage from consuming 1g of phenibut 12 hours later is highly unlikely. If your symptoms do not improve talk to a endocrinologist.

 

Thx for reply. Maybe that misunderstanding it's because of my english but I took 1,5g + 1g of Phenibut before I went to the party - 1,5g 22hours earlier and 1g 12hours earlier. Maybe it's not enough time? I'm wondering what's the connection between thyroid and Phenibut + alcohol. I know that thyroid hormones have some connection with GABA receptors. My body seems to be completly deregulated...I can't focus on anything

[Metagene]

This is an example of a phenibut+alcohol overdose:

http://www.reddit.co...ose_dont_do_it/


It's possible to estimate alcohol metabolism. Use the calculator below

http://www.drinkfox....ohol-metabolism


I don't know about your normal drinking habits but 0.5l of vodka is a considerable amount. Actual brain damage from consuming 1g of phenibut 12 hours later is highly unlikely. If your symptoms do not improve talk to a endocrinologist.

Thx for reply. Maybe that misunderstanding it's because of my english but I took 1,5g + 1g of Phenibut before I went to the party - 1,5g 22hours earlier and 1g 12hours earlier. Maybe it's not enough time? I'm wondering what's the connection between thyroid and Phenibut + alcohol. I know that thyroid hormones have some connection with GABA receptors. My body seems to be completly deregulated...I can't focus on anything

Sorry my mistake. Renfr had the correct line thought. The medical term for your condition is subclinical hypothyroidism. It could be temporary or it might progress into overt hypothyroidism. Do you have a family history of thyroid disease?

"Subclinical hypothyroidism (SCH), also called mild thyroid failure, is diagnosed when peripheral thyroid hormone levels are within normal reference laboratory range but serum thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH) levels are mildly elevated."

Subclinical Hypothyroidism: An Update for Primary Care Physicians

http://www.ncbi.nlm....?report=classic

Taking phenibut with alcohol may have simply aggravated a underlying issue. Combing the two drugs can be dangerous but your symptoms do not suggest lasting harm. Chronic or excess alcohol consumption alone has detrimental effects on the endocrine system.

Effects of Alcohol on the Endocrine System

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3767933/

I hope that helps.

[rauhlooo]

 

 

This is an example of a phenibut+alcohol overdose:

http://www.reddit.co...ose_dont_do_it/


It's possible to estimate alcohol metabolism. Use the calculator below

http://www.drinkfox....ohol-metabolism


I don't know about your normal drinking habits but 0.5l of vodka is a considerable amount. Actual brain damage from consuming 1g of phenibut 12 hours later is highly unlikely. If your symptoms do not improve talk to a endocrinologist.

Thx for reply. Maybe that misunderstanding it's because of my english but I took 1,5g + 1g of Phenibut before I went to the party - 1,5g 22hours earlier and 1g 12hours earlier. Maybe it's not enough time? I'm wondering what's the connection between thyroid and Phenibut + alcohol. I know that thyroid hormones have some connection with GABA receptors. My body seems to be completly deregulated...I can't focus on anything

Sorry my mistake. Renfr had the correct line thought. The medical term for your condition is subclinical hypothyroidism. It could be temporary or it might progress into overt hypothyroidism. Do you have a family history of thyroid disease?

"Subclinical hypothyroidism (SCH), also called mild thyroid failure, is diagnosed when peripheral thyroid hormone levels are within normal reference laboratory range but serum thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH) levels are mildly elevated."

Subclinical Hypothyroidism: An Update for Primary Care Physicians

http://www.ncbi.nlm....?report=classic

Taking phenibut with alcohol may have simply aggravated a underlying issue. Combing the two drugs can be dangerous but your symptoms do not suggest lasting harm. Chronic or excess alcohol consumption alone has detrimental effects on the endocrine system.

Effects of Alcohol on the Endocrine System

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3767933/

I hope that helps.

 

 

Thank you very much. But what about sleep deprivation (I wake up every 2 - 3 hours and my sleep is non-restorative) and fatigue attacks (like somebody unplug me and I have no energy and feel depressed). During those fatigue attacks I can't do anything because my body is so weak. I'm wondering it can be bacause of sleep deprivation (like my body want to say "don't do anything I want to rest for a while")? sometimes it last few hours. Very weird feeling. I don't have any of those symptons before (I mean before that party with Phenibut + alcohol). Sometimes it looks like depression but I doubt it. There are so many possibilities....thyroid can lead to depression...some deregulation in nervous system because of Phenibut + alcohol interaction...or just excessive stress during the first few days after that incident. My doctors seems to have no idea what they are doing and looking for...Euthyrox, Piracetam...maybe some SSRI in the future. It should be warning for people not to fuck up with Phenibut + alcohol

Edited by rauhlooo, 14 April 2015 - 07:45 PM.

[Metagene]

Don't over think the consequences of combing Phenibut and alcohol. I only meant to emphasize the inherent risk of combing CNS depressants in general. You did the right thing by getting test run.

 

Phenibut taken at higher doses acts similarly to the muscle relaxant baclofen. 

 

At doses higher than 70 mgkg i.p. PB reduces motor and exploratory activities, rearings, muscle tone, coordination and body temperature. It potentiates central effects of the anesthetics: ether, chloral hydrate, and barbiturates.

 

http://onlinelibrary...1.tb00211.x/pdf

 

Using baclofen together with ethanol can increase nervous system side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, and difficulty concentrating. Some people may also experience impairment in thinking and judgment. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with baclofen. Do not use more than the recommended dose of baclofen, and avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medication affects you. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medication without first talking to your doctor.

 

http://www.drugs.com...s/baclofen.html

 

 

There is a link between sleep deprivation, TSH and depression. I think your doctors have a good understanding of the situation but it's not much else they can do right now except see how you respond to the treatment.

 

Serum thyrotropin concentrations and bioactivity during sleep deprivation in depression.

 

BACKGROUND:

One night of sleep deprivation induces a brief remission in about half of depressed patients. Subclinical hypothyroidism may be associated with depression, and changes in hypothalamic-pituitary-thyroid function may affect the mood response to sleep deprivation. We wished to define precisely the status of the hypothalamic-pituitary-thyroid axis of depressed patients during sleep deprivation and the possible relationship of hypothalamic-pituitary-thyroid function to the mood response.

 

METHODS:
We studied 18 patients with major depressive disorder and 10 normal volunteers. We assessed mood before and after sleep. We measured serum thyrotropin every 15 minutes during the night of sleep deprivation, thyrotropin bioactivity, the thyrotropin response to protirelin the next afternoon, and other indexes of hypothalamic-pituitary-thyroid function. To determine if the changes were limited to the hypothalamic-pituitary-thyroid axis, we measured serum cortisol, which also has a circadian secretory pattern.

 

RESULTS:
Nocturnal serum thyrotropin concentrations were consistently higher in responders, entirely because of elevated levels in the women reponders. Responders had exaggerated responses to protirelin the next afternoon. The bioactivity of thyrotropin in nonresponders was significantly greater than in responders (F(1,8. 99) = 7.52; P =.02). Other thyroid indexes and serum cortisol concentrations were similar among groups.

 

CONCLUSIONS:
Depressed patients have mild compensated thyroid resistance to thyrotropin action, not subclinical autoimmune primary hypothyroidism. Sleep deprivation responders compensate by secreting more thyrotropin with normal bioactivity; nonresponders compensate by secreting thyrotropin with increased bioactivity.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/11146761

 

 

 

Edited by Metagene, 15 April 2015 - 08:16 PM.

[Metagene]

Read pages 453-456 for a more thorough explanation: 

 

https://books.google...oid TSH&f=false

[rauhlooo]

Read pages 453-456 for a more thorough explanation: 

 

https://books.google...oid TSH&f=false

 

Thank you very much. I think you are probably right about all those things. I will wait for few weeks. What about some SSRI to stabilize my mood? Is it worth? I don't have any depression (maybe some symptons at 4 random days in last month but never before) just some mood swings because all of this fatigue attacks and thiniking about all this situation. I have Trittico prescribed for sleep.

Edited by rauhlooo, 16 April 2015 - 11:10 AM.

[rauhlooo]

There is something wrong with my brain. Two days ago I drunk 2 beers and had incredible insomia last night. Now I feel very bad. I'm so weak. Yesterday morning I'm felt like I'm going to faint. All stimulants like green tea, nicotine, coffe, alcohol and Piracetam have bad influence on me. I'm worring that Triticco and Servenon which I have prescribed ony get it worse. Please give me some advice

Edited by rauhlooo, 18 April 2015 - 10:39 AM.

[renfr]

 

Read pages 453-456 for a more thorough explanation: 

 

https://books.google...oid TSH&f=false

 

Thank you very much. I think you are probably right about all those things. I will wait for few weeks. What about some SSRI to stabilize my mood? Is it worth? I don't have any depression (maybe some symptons at 4 random days in last month but never before) just some mood swings because all of this fatigue attacks and thiniking about all this situation. I have Trittico prescribed for sleep.

 

 

I suggest you don't take SSRIs, they should be used in last recourse. SSRI might stop the symptoms but not the inner cause of your problems.

 

There is something wrong with my brain. Two days ago I drunk 2 beers and had incredible insomia last night. Now I feel very bad. I'm so weak. Yesterday morning I'm felt like I'm going to faint. All stimulants like green tea, nicotine, coffe, alcohol and Piracetam have bad influence on me. I'm worring that Triticco and Servenon which I have prescribed ony get it worse. Please give me some advice

 

It may sound contradictory but alcohol can cause insomnia because of rebound effect and because it also increases cortisol. Also if you still take the thyroid medication then it can cause insomnia.

 

Drinking alcohol in moderate amounts is good for health but you should only take it with meals.

What kind of diet do you have? What are your lifestyle habits? (do you exercise, do you get enough sleep, are you stressed at work?)

 

A good start would be to make a blood analysis and check : Iron (serum iron and ferritin), Vitamin D3, Thyroid (though you already did it), testosterone, blood sugar, cholesterol (HDL and LDL), Iodine, liver enzymes.

 

There are two ways to deal with your problems :

- Take medications to relieve symptoms but that won't cure the cause of your problems

- Replenish yourself with essential vitamins, change your diet, your lifestyle habits, and look up for antioxidants

 

If you don't have a genetic defect then you can likely solve all your issues without the need of prescription medicines.

[icecold]

this isn't any kind of withdrawal. you took the drug and drink over 3 weeks ago and one time. maybe if you took it for 3 weeks straight that would be the case. looks like you've been going to the doctors a lot and searching for a problem. i think this is psychological. stop taking drugs, stop taking tests, get some exercise, sleep, and eat well. everyone has good and bad days. you have them too but you associate them all with this one event and that makes it worse. at least that's how i see it from here.