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[Baten]

Careful with the phosphatidyl serine, it can make you bleed (one of the rare supplements that did make me bleed). Don't take 'lots' ... Green tea extract also thins the blood.

 

Hey, thanks. Currently taking 600mg seems fine at this dosage.

[Baten]

Further observations:

 

- Taking selegiline, cabergoline and tadalafil at the same time gives a massive surge of libido. Interestingly, both selegiline+caber as well as tadalafil seem to increase your 'loving' emotion capacity, and by extent increase your feelings of lust. All you want is be close, make love.

However, the effects seem to diminish much quicker than with dosing these compounds on separate occasions, which might be more worthwhile.

 

- I think caber is for recreational, fun use only. I doubt there's long-term benefits to be gained from it. Tadalafil I take on an as-needed basis, but honestly with selegiline and healthier dopamine levels I feel I need it much less than before. Maybe I can drop it once I run out.

 

- Half a tablet, so 2.5mg of selegiline in the evening or before sleep can help with morning wood, more than anything else I've tried so far.

 

I'm now trying to think up a weekly regimen that can preserve a healthy libido, consistently.

[nowayout]

- I think caber is for recreational, fun use only. I doubt there's long-term benefits to be gained from it.

 

It has a very long half life, though.  Does it really work that well as-needed?  It never did anything for me. 

[nowayout]

- Half a tablet, so 2.5mg of selegiline in the evening or before sleep can help with morning wood, more than anything else I've tried so far.

 

Selegeline periodically makes the rounds of anti-aging groups, only to have people drop it after a while because of loss of efficacy or side effects, at least anecdotally.  Like other amphetamine-like substances, eventually tolerance tends to develop, at least in people who post their experiences, though this may be selection bias (maybe others who don't post have long term success, who knows?).  I am not sure how good of a long term solution it is. 

Edited by nowayout, 12 May 2015 - 02:53 PM.

[Baten]

 

 

- I think caber is for recreational, fun use only. I doubt there's long-term benefits to be gained from it.

 

It has a very long half life, though.  Does it really work that well as-needed?  It never did anything for me. 

 

 

At first it didn't really seem to do anything. I was a little irritable and was also a little reckless on the road, if anything.

 

But combined with something like selegiline it's pretty darn effective. Almost scarily so, I'm starting to fear I'll overload my brain on dopamine.

 

 

- Half a tablet, so 2.5mg of selegiline in the evening or before sleep can help with morning wood, more than anything else I've tried so far.

 

Selegeline periodically makes the rounds of anti-aging groups, only to have people drop it after a while because of loss of efficacy or side effects, at least anecdotally.  Like other amphetamine-like substances, eventually tolerance tends to develop, at least in people who post their experiences, though this may be selection bias (maybe others who don't post have long term success, who knows?).  I am not sure how good of a long term solution it is. 

 

 

I researched a bit on it. There's plenty of people taking smaller 1-2.5mg doses for years and years. I'll just try and see for how long it'll be useful for me. I came across some who took Selegiline to try and "heal" their brain, which sounds promising enough.

 

Right now though, the selegiline I've been taking while on cabergoline has resulted in some seriously bad headaches these past days. Could be the tadalafil though. Could be both. Time to ease down and take a little break with all of this, and figure out my next approach.

[Voku_Hila]

Ashwagandha raises testosterone levels, if taken for longer periods.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3863556/

 

 

Do high Intensity Strength Training(raises testo levels), avoid sugar(sugar lowers testo levels and dopamine also I think), try to reach different goals(raises dopamine levels), stop masturbating and edging forever. Vitamin D also raises Testo levels.

 

Maybe you are also tense in your lower stomach, respectively pelvis...

Bioenergetic exercises(the western yoga), or qi gong could help this. They can help the psychological aspects and can raise body sensitivity profoundly. (there are good youtube vids regarding bioenergetics and qi gong)

 

[Baten]

Ashwagandha raises testosterone levels, if taken for longer periods.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3863556/

 

Interesting read, thanks.

[Drymarro]

Have you tried just banging a girl?

 

I find after having sex, it makes me more horny than from just regular masturbation.

 

The release of all the hormones related to touching a female can do wonders for your libido.

 

I know this sounds sketchy, but try going for P2P(a professional), just for a one time thing. If that sounds like too much for you, and I realize a lot of people won't do it(I myself haven't),

then just lower your standards a little and try to find a girl that you can connect with emotionally and the emotional connection could give you that sexual libido you've been missing. An emotional attachment with a female is the best thing you can do.

[Voku_Hila]

Have you tried just banging a girl?

 

I find after having sex, it makes me more horny than from just regular masturbation.

 

The release of all the hormones related to touching a female can do wonders for your libido.

 

I know this sounds sketchy, but try going for P2P(a professional), just for a one time thing. If that sounds like too much for you, and I realize a lot of people won't do it(I myself haven't),

then just lower your standards a little and try to find a girl that you can connect with emotionally and the emotional connection could give you that sexual libido you've been missing. An emotional attachment with a female is the best thing you can do.

 

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Very good point. I had the same experience.

 

In my experience, the problem is often nervousness. Nervousness can seduce you to masturbate, which calms you down(dopamine release).

Underlying bodily and psychological tensions can make the "sexual energy" panicky. A solution for this can be grounding and relaxing the breath muscles. The "energy", the point where your awareness is, has to get into the feet/body. The cause for anhedonia, depression, low libido often is often seated in a overactive head, which is disconnected from the peripheral nervous system because of bodily tensions.(anorgasmia).

 

The more relaxed a person is, the more fuller is the orgasm.

 

If for example the breath muscles are tense, there's always a subtle psychological stress, because of the alarm reaction of getting not enought air. This is a very profound topic.

 

I suffered from obsessive thougts, anorgasmia, anhedonia, depression and this was my way out.

[Voku_Hila]

 

Ashwagandha raises testosterone levels, if taken for longer periods.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3863556/

 

Interesting read, thanks.

 

 

I think if you are under 45 medication(also herbs) should not be a permanent solution. Ashwagandha probably also just works, because it reduces the stress, which supresses testo production -> testo levels rise

 

The main problem, I think, is permanent bodily stress through tensions and perhaps some lifestyle stress.

Is your voice full? Does your voice vibrate? If that's not the case, if your voice is hollow, then tensions in the breast and stomache area could disconnect your head from you lower body nervous system, which produces anorgasmia, anhedonia.

 

These tensions could be eliminated through certain exercises. also through medical doses of psilocybin, but I don't really want to recommend it to everyone.

[Baten]

Have you tried just banging a girl?

 

Sure. I started this tried since I had problems with my libido: my current girlfriend has a rather high libido which just didn't match.

 

And about stress: this was definitely a problem in the beginning, but I'd like to think it no longer is. I'm way more self-confident than I was in the past. The real underlying problems lie in my brain chemistry, which I've been trying to 'fix'. Examples: I need to work much harder than in the past to get aroused. Worse, I really need to focus one hundred percent to even reach climax. This might not seem like a big problem but it frustrates my lady friend.

 

But at least my erections seem fine these days definitely progress! Also, after my caber/selegiline/tadalafil experiences of sunday/monday/tuesday, I woke up today with some decent morning wood! Finally ! I'm starting to believe I'll overcome my problems just yet.

Edited by Baten, 13 May 2015 - 06:18 AM.

[nowayout]

Sure. I started this tried since I had problems with my libido: my current girlfriend has a rather high libido which just didn't match.

 

And about stress: this was definitely a problem in the beginning, but I'd like to think it no longer is. I'm way more self-confident than I was in the past. The real underlying problems lie in my brain chemistry, which I've been trying to 'fix'. Examples: I need to work much harder than in the past to get aroused. Worse, I really need to focus one hundred percent to even reach climax. This might not seem like a big problem but it frustrates my lady friend.

 

Maybe you are just not that into her.

 

Delayed ejaculation can definitely also be psychological, especially if it happens with one person but not when alone or with someone else.  I have had it - with that person I had a mental block to the point where I could hardly feel any sensation during sex, while I could still have sensational sex with others.  If it is situational like this, I don't think there is a chemical solution. 

 

[Baten]

Maybe you are just not that into her.

Delayed ejaculation can definitely also be psychological, especially if it happens with one person but not when alone or with someone else.  I have had it - with that person I had a mental block to the point where I could hardly feel any sensation during sex, while I could still have sensational sex with others.  If it is situational like this, I don't think there is a chemical solution. 

 

Well it's just that though: "delayed". I really think it's me, not a psychological cause of some kind. I really don't think any other girl would change things, no.

 

I honestly think I just need to 'retrain' or rebalance my brain chemistry, is all. If you google for people having a hard time reaching climax, it's generally people in their 20/30's, late-bloomers, and more of often than not also excessive porn (ab)users.

 

But hey, I'm doing all right I think. Slowly getting there. I read about people with their libido "flatlining" for years. I'm starting to get less and less worried.

[platypus]

Porn is ok but it should not be used for hours per day every day, IMO. 

[pinnacle]

Some suggestions http://blog.lef.org/...do-through.html

[axonopathy]

Both modafinil and wellbutrin tend to enhance libido, though this comment is probably unhelpful if you're uninterested in dabbling in prescription drugs. 

[Baten]

Things have reverted back to how they were in the beginning of the thread. These fluctuations are really killing me...

 

Intellectually, I have great interest in sex in all things sexual, but my body/brain just isn't working with me. My libido just seems to inherently stabilize at a null point, rather than back to 'normal'. If a beautiful girl were to strip and present herself bare naked, it wouldn't even do something for me.

 

Summarizing:

-Herbs: maca/tribulus etc: no effect

-Testosterone boosts from exercise/tongkat ali/DIM/taurine, ... : no effect

-Stimulants (~yohimbine), aside from being hyper as fuck: no real effect

-Supplements: Zinc/Pycnogenol/Kidney tonic/Cordyceps, ... : no real effect

-Supplementing humic/fulvic minerals (~prescript assist): no effect

-5-MTHF (or standard folic acid): no effect

-Selegiline and/or rhodiola by itself: no effect

 

Arginine and Citruline are useful and quite good for erection quality/hardness, but without the necessary arousal they can only do so much.

 

The only thing that REALLY seems to work is tadafil(cialis), which is like forcing an erection, or more efficiently cabergoline together with something like selegiline, also with the cialis, which feels like forcing arousal.

 

I'm so sick of having to force things. I feel like I can hardly keep things up this way.

Edited by Baten, 19 May 2015 - 09:40 AM.

[Voku_Hila]

these exercises could help...

youtube . com/ watch?v=FhJbXPvSDKE

 

btw

Sulbutiamine and Uridine resensitize Dopamine receptors if taken for longer periods of time. you could give it a try.

[Baten]

Sulbutiamine and Uridine resensitize Dopamine receptors if taken for longer periods of time. you could give it a try.

 

Have some sulbutiamine at home. Will try using it sporadically, thanks. Will consider giving Uridine/CDP Choline a try.

 

Took 200mg of sulbutiamine with my meal just now I suddenly got really, really tired. Weird reaction.

[Baten]

Sulbutiamine apparently functions as a dopamine antagonist, increasing sensitivity of the receptors. Short-term, during sex an antagonist actually makes things worse, and I'm not really sure it's interesting in the long run though since the effects wear off by the end of the day.

 

Interestingly, in the cabergoline stack Sulbutiamine (and possibly rhodiola) seem to heighten feelings of lust, but worsen erection quality. For now though, it's a trade-off I'm willing to make.

Edited by Baten, 20 May 2015 - 06:24 AM.

[Baten]

-Will try weaning off cabergoline since I feel like I'm getting dependent on it. It's not the solution.

 

-Taking half a tablet of Selegiline, so 2.5mg, twice a week only (maintenance). The recommended regimen was 1mg but I feel 2.5mg works quite well.

 

-Using CDP choline these days, hoping it'll make for a healthy dopamine environment, as well as the occasional sulbutiamine for receptor sensitivity.

 

-Taking a mix of Gelatinized Maca + Horny Goat Weed Powder which is starting to show its effects (maca makes for more pleasure, long-term).

 

-Bought some Ilhwa Concentrated Ginseng. Still trialling it, but not sure it has significant effects. Also have some Shilajit coming but not sure if it can help.

Edited by Baten, 24 May 2015 - 10:28 AM.

[Baten]

Bought some GABA to play with as per this thread. Took 4.5g last Tuesday and had a tremendous increase in libido for most of the week!

Will trial again, hope it stays as potent but I'm pretty sure things will downregulate fairly quickly. Sure was fun, though.

 

Also stopped cabergoline since it won't fix things long-term. Further cutting down selegiline to 1mg(quarter tablet) twice a week.

 

CDP choline also seems to start doing its thing for dopamine receptor density. Along with occasional sulbutiamine/phenylpiracetam, exercise and perhaps mediation I hope to get my dopamine receptors resensitized.

Edited by Baten, 15 June 2015 - 08:34 PM.

[Iamnobodi]

Hey bro I am experiencing similar problems to you. How you doing now? 

Hope you're seeing improvements. 

[Baten]

Hey bro I am experiencing similar problems to you. How you doing now? 

Hope you're seeing improvements. 

Some improvements, yes, but nothing really substantial just yet.

 

I tried using memantine since it's used to reset tolerance and 'rewire' the brain in a sense, after a week of using it I added some cabergoline and selegiline (again); and while libido increased as expected, the memantine made me depressed as fuck which I didn't really get why that is. Will experiment with it further at a later date. Memantine itself is a dopamine agonist as well, and would prevent downregulation theoretically. Over time, perhaps there would be a permanent benefit? Even just a little would help . . .

 

I also opened another thread about resensitizing dopamine receptors, which could basically be the most important thing. So far no luck, though. The biggest help in achieving it is time, which I'm finding so terribly frustrating.

 

I'm currently exercising 3 time a week, possibly upping this to 6x a week. I have several regimen to try and boost testosterone (which isn't as relevant but could help with libido as well, especially since I discovered I'm relatively low on T), and then a load of herbs and stuff to try and further boost dopamine (Jiaogulan sees pretty promising for dopamine signaling, theaflavin for DAT, also looking at emoxypine/pyritinol, perhaps amitriptyline, ...)

 

if I have any big relevation/success with any of those things I'm experimenting with, I'll be sure to report back. But so far, no dice :(

Edited by Baten, 18 August 2015 - 07:15 PM.

[crazepharmacist]

Try a SERM. That's what porn stars take to increase their loads. But it doesn't just increase seamen volume, it increases testosterone as well, sometimes drastically so if you're low to begin with. You can get one from any research chemical website. There a bunch of different kinds but toremifene has the least amount of sides in my experience. 

Edited by crazepharmacist, 18 August 2015 - 08:24 PM.

[Baten]

SERMs aren't something to play around with though. Ceretropic has some anabolic ones and most can cause shutdown.

Clomid/Tore is relatively safe but you have to know what you're doing. Edit*: and they didn't help for me, personally :(

Edited by Baten, 18 August 2015 - 08:31 PM.

[Iamnobodi]

Have you considered enrolling in a 10 day silent  vipassana meditation in order to help resensitise your dopamine receptors? I have applied to do it in October. I'm sure there is a location near you:

https://www.dhamma.o...ions/directory 

 

Also you have got your testosterone and hormone levels checked right, it was all normal? 

Edited by Iamnobodi, 19 August 2015 - 06:10 AM.

[Baten]

Thanks for the suggestion, found a vipassana center in my town, definitely worth checking out

[Iamnobodi]

Have you ever taken MDMA?

 

Take a look at this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2753463/

 

i am thinking past MDMA use is one of the reasons I am this way at the moment 

[Baten]

Have you ever taken MDMA?

 

Take a look at this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2753463/

 

i am thinking past MDMA use is one of the reasons I am this way at the moment 

Sorry, no. MDMA is kinda known to have the potential to fuck up your brain. I've once picked up somewhere that it makes you stupid, wouldn't dare to touch party drugs.

 

Memantine and maybe Agmatine might be especially interesting in your case. There's probably information to be found on brain recovery after MDMA usage. Hope you find a way to recover.