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[k4ir0s]

Especially with B vitamins.. why is this? Even if I take half a dose, many things still exceed the daily requirements. 

Has anyone found a balanced multivitamin that they can recommend? 

 

Edit: I found this one, looks good? 

 

 

Edited by k4ir0s, 18 May 2015 - 08:16 PM.

[pamojja]

No joking, I perfer some of the Bs, like nicotinic or pantothenic acid in the gram range.

 

However, I would not take a multi which doesn't specify which chemical they use for each ingredient, uses synthetic Vitamin E, Folic acid, 2 mg of Copper or 4 mg of Manganese per daily dose.

[k4ir0s]

No joking, I perfer some of the Bs, like nicotinic or pantothenic acid in the gram range.

 

However, I would not take a multi which doesn't specify which chemical they use for each ingredient, uses synthetic Vitamin E, Folic acid, 2 mg of Copper or 4 mg of Manganese per daily dose.

Here it is
"Calcium carbonate, ascorbic acid, cellulose gel, magnesium oxide, corn starch, dl-alpha tocopheryl acetate, niacinamide, zinc oxide, maltodextrin, croscarmellose sodium, hydroxypropyl methylcellulose, manganese sulfate, d-calcium pantothenate, magnesium stearate, silicon dioxide, cupric sulfate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, beta carotene, polyethylene glycol, chromium chloride, vitamin A acetate, folic acid, potassium iodide, sodium molybdate, sodium selenate, phylloquinone, vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol), biotin, cyanocobalamin."
 

Do you see anything wrong with it? I'm going to supplement magnesium individually because this form is oxide/stearate

Also, may I ask what are the benefits are of high doses of nicotinic or panthenic acid?

Edited by k4ir0s, 18 May 2015 - 08:48 PM.

[niner]

Do you see anything wrong with it? I'm going to supplement magnesium individually because this form is oxide/stearate

I'd look for something with less copper and manganese.  There are mainstream multis with 0.9mg of copper, which is not awful.  It's impossible to find a perfect multi.

[OneScrewLoose]

Because B-Vitamins can, in most forms, be safely taken in large doses, and due to little knowledge of how they work and the American cultural value that more is better, they can have wonderful placebo effects. Just like people don't realize that the only chemically active components in the vast majority of energy drinks (like Monster or Rockstar) that actually give you energy are ONLY sugar and caffeine. Taurine was actually first put in Red Bull because it's a sedative that can help kill the jitters from too much caffeine. But now people think it gives them energy, so it ends up doing just that. It's just not the taurine that's responsible.

Unfortunately, when people megadose, they often have no idea that huge doses of vitamins like A, D and E can be quite harmful. The RDA, except for Vitamin D, is actually quite a good guide. But there's another thing, a lot of the marketing used behind supplements is distrust of the "system" (whatever they need that to mean to sell you something) and of "traditional medicine". Therefore, the RDA must be wrong and I need huge doses of potentially dangerous vitamins. You know that neon piss you get when you take a vitamin high in B2? Just think of that color as representing the concentration of money your are pissing away.

[nowayout]

If you are in the US, one of the Whole Foods store brands has quite reasonable quantities and isn't super expensive. They have an iron free version for men.

Also, you can have half a pill andor skip days when your diet is good.

Edited by nowayout, 19 May 2015 - 04:59 PM.

[pamojja]

 

No joking, I perfer some of the Bs, like nicotinic or pantothenic acid in the gram range.

 

However, I would not take a multi which doesn't specify which chemical they use for each ingredient, uses synthetic Vitamin E, Folic acid, 2 mg of Copper or 4 mg of Manganese per daily dose.

Here it is
"Calcium carbonate, ascorbic acid, cellulose gel, magnesium oxide, corn starch, dl-alpha tocopheryl acetate, niacinamide, zinc oxide, maltodextrin, croscarmellose sodium, hydroxypropyl methylcellulose, manganese sulfate, d-calcium pantothenate, magnesium stearate, silicon dioxide, cupric sulfate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, beta carotene, polyethylene glycol, chromium chloride, vitamin A acetate, folic acid, potassium iodide, sodium molybdate, sodium selenate, phylloquinone, vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol), biotin, cyanocobalamin."
 

Do you see anything wrong with it? I'm going to supplement magnesium individually because this form is oxide/stearate

Also, may I ask what are the benefits are of high doses of nicotinic or panthenic acid?

 

 

As already alluded to: Due to a genetic defect Folic acid isn't correctly metabolized to it's active form by a large part of the population, would therefore prefer one of those Multis available without. Dl-alpha tocopherol is synthetic with unfavorable outcomes, too few are deficient in copper or manganese to justify such high daily doses them in the long term.

 

On the other hand as one with severe magnesium deficiency, doesn't matter for me if it's oxide or one of the allegedly more bioavailable forms, as long as it's about 2 g/d of elemental Magnesium I'm free of painful muscle cramps.

 

I take nicotinic acid in pharmacological doses instead of a prescribed statin, and try to adjust the doses of other B-vitamins individually to not cause imbalances.