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[playground]

Question:  What does Hong Hua do ?

I spent an hour or two doing a survey of the studies
on PubMed.  Here is a summary of what i found:
 

1.  Hang Hua has blood thinning (anti-coagulant) properties.
(danshen also has blood thinning properties)


2.  Hong Hua has been used for centuries for the specific
treatment of urinary problems...  
(note: urinary problems are usually infections so perhaps
Hong Hua treats issues chlamydia)


3.  Hong Hua 'dissolves' kidney stones:

Hong Hua dissolves kidney stones in mice.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22398437


4. Hong Hua inhibits both α-Glucosidase and α-Amylase

In other words, hong hua will stop your body making
simple sugars from complex carbohydrates.  
It will thus stop your blood sugar from rising.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/25873983
Different Proportions of Huangqi (Radix Astragali Mongolici)
and Honghua (Flos Carthami) Injection on α-Glucosidase
and α-Amylase Activities.

what's α-Glucosidase ?

It breaks down carbohydrates into simple sugars

From Wikipedia:

Alpha-glucosidase inhibitors are oral anti-diabetic drugs used
for diabetes mellitus type 2 that work by preventing the digestion
of carbohydrates (such as starch and table sugar).
Carbohydrates are normally converted into simple sugars (monosaccharides),
which can be absorbed through the intestine.
Hence, alpha-glucosidase inhibitors reduce the impact of carbohydrates on blood sugar.

what is alpha-Amylase ?

α-Amylase is a protein enzyme EC 3.2.1.1 that hydrolyses alpha bonds of
large, alpha-linked polysaccharides, such as starch and glycogen,
yielding glucose and maltose.[2]
It is the major form of amylase found in humans and other mammals.[3]


5.  Hong Hua has angiogenic effects (i.e. pro-healing)
(It helps your body form new blood vessels)

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/25172787

Pro-angiogenic effects of Carthami Flos whole extract in human
microvascular endothelial cells in vitro and in zebrafish in vivo.


Angiogenesis is the physiological process through which new blood vessels
form from pre-existing vessels.[1] This is distinct from vasculogenesis,
which is the de novo formation of endothelial cells from mesoderm cell
precursors.[2] The first vessels in the developing embryo form through
vasculogenesis, after which angiogenesis is responsible for most, if not all,
blood vessel growth during development and in disease.[3]

6. Hong Hua may cause birth defects.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/11090999
A study on the teratogenic and cytotoxic effects of safflower extract.

The results showed that in higher doses (1.6 and 2 mg/kg/day) the embryos
were absorbed, whereas with lower dose (1.2 mg/kg/day) changes in external,
internal and longitudinal diameters, open neuropore, changes in cellular
orientation and cellular degeneration were observed. The results obtained
from cytotoxic assay also demonstrated a concentration-dependent cytotoxic
effect of carthami flos extract. It is concluded that the use of carthami
flos as a food additive should be reconsidered.

Conclusion:  It may cause birth defects...
Women trying to conceive should not use Hong Hua.

In summary:

Hong Hua:
1. thins the blood
2. treats urinary problems/infections
3. dissolves kidney stones
4. inhibits both α-Glucosidase and α-Amylase
5. has angiogenic effects (i.e. pro-healing)
6. may cause birth defects (dont take it if you're pregnant)
 

Playground.

 

[playground]

danhong stops atherosclerotic plaques from forming.

 

title:  Danhong injection inhibits the development of atherosclerosis in both Apoe-/- and Ldlr-/- mice.

source: http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/24803317

 

abstract "....Taken together, our study demonstrates that DHI inhibits atherosclerosis in both

Apoe⁻/⁻ and Ldlr⁻/⁻ mice with various mechanisms, including anti-inflammation.

The inhibition of atherosclerosis can be attributed to the cardioprotective properties of DHI."

 

 

[playground]

After some further research on this whole Danhong subject.....

 

1.  Danshen is basically just 'Red Sage'. 

You can search for it on the websites of herb sellers, ebay, etc.

Red Sage is exactly the same stuff as 'Danshen'.

See here for example:  https://www.mountain...Red Sage&utf8=✓

 

On the other hand, you can buy Danshen tablets from China (via ebay).

I've got 100 tablets on the desk in front of me. It only cost me $6.

 

2.  Hong Hua is simply Safflower 'flowers' or 'petals'.  (not the root or stem or elsewhere)

Again, these can be purchased from regular herb suppliers.

Here's the relevant page from mountainroseherebs.com

https://www.mountain...-petals/profile

 

You mix the ingredients in a ratio of 3 to 1.

3 parts Red Sage (Danshen) : 1 part Safflower Petals (Hong Hua)

 

that's all for this update.

 

 

Edited by playground, 15 March 2016 - 08:29 AM.

[lumia]

I have read the Chinese sources on the preparation of this stuff. What Playground mentioned above is an oversimplification. The actual process is as follows:

 

To prepare 1000 mL of injection:

 

Ingredients:

Danshen 750g

Honghua 250g

NaCl

Injection Water

 

Preparation:

Extract Danshen in warm 50% ethanol-water twice, 1 hour each. The remaining Danshen solids is then mixed with Honghua and the mixture is then extracted in warm water twice, also one hour each. Filter all extract, combine, and then condense to a density of 1.1-1.2 (65C). Adjust osmolarity with NaCl until isotonic, adjust pH to 6.5-7, add water to 1000mL.

 

This mean the Danshen here is dual-extracted， rather than the usual water extraction used in most TCM herbs. The most similar preparation, I'd say, would be the Chinese pharmacopoeia-grade Fufang Danshen Pian; each tablet contains 450mg of Danshen, triple extracted (once in 100% ethanol, once in 50%, and once in water), plus 141mg of raw Tienchi powder and 8mg of borneol. Yielding at least 0.2mg Tanshinone IIa, 5mg  Salvianolic acid B, and 6mg ginsengosides (Rg1+Rb1+RI+Re).

 

I don't know what to do with the safflflower, though--but since that's just a water extract, maybe just eating the herb, or make a tea of it, is sufficient.

[playground]

I am not suggesting anyone inject this stuff.

 

And I am definitely NOT suggesting anyone cookup

their own injection fluid from the raw herbs... definitely not that.

 

It seems to me that drinking the tea is the safest way of consuming this stuff.

However, i confess, despite my researches, i have no idea how much

herbs to use in a single cup of "danhong" tea.

 

How much Saffflower is used in Safflower tea ?

How much Red Sage is used in Danshen tea ?

Would you use those amounts together in Danhong tea ?

Or would you assume a synergistic effect and use... a quarter ? a half ? of each herb ?

 

clearly much more research is required before anyone can start "dosing" this stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by playground, 16 March 2016 - 03:07 PM.

[playground]

How to make Safflower Tea:

 

http://www.liveandfe...flower-tea-2068

 

You can easily prepare a cup of safflower tea. Just add a teaspoon of dried safflower petals to a cup of freshly boiled water.

Let it steep for about 5 minutes, before you strain it to remove the petals. Your cup of safflower tea is ready!

 

The answer is "a teaspoon full of dried safflower petals"

 

My bet is that the Hong Hua (Saffflower) is a potent anti-fungal or anti-biotic..

(based on the fact that it cures urinary infections and reverses peripheral neuropathy)

And if its killing those pathogens in your urinary tract, its almost certainly killing them in other parts of your body too...

Edited by playground, 16 March 2016 - 03:26 PM.

[playground]

Danshen,  Red Sage,  or Chinese Sage, is just a variety of Sage, regular culinary sage.

It might be true that there's something particular in red sage, but probably, much

of the magic that's in red sage, will be in common garden sage too.

 

See here:

Chemistry, Pharmacology, and Medicinal Property of Sage (Salvia) to Prevent and Cure Illnesses such as: Obesity, Diabetes, Depression, Dementia, Lupus, Autism, Heart Disease, and Cancer

ref:  http://www.ncbi.nlm....eport=printable

 

So if (probably) the same stuff is in common Sage as red sage,  then that's probably a very good reason

for adding regular sage to your diet.   Chop it up and add it to your soups, stews, salads, pizzas etc.

 

 

Edited by playground, 16 March 2016 - 04:05 PM.

[gamesguru]

My bet is that the Hong Hua (Saffflower) is a potent anti-fungal or anti-biotic..

(based on the fact that it cures urinary infections and reverses peripheral neuropathy)

 

im curious on this point, my gramma has peripheral neuropathy; maybe viral or autoimmune in origin, but you still think safflower is worth a shot?

 

Medicinal Property of Sage (Salvia) to Prevent and Cure Illnesses such as: Obesity, Diabetes, Depression, Dementia, Lupus, Autism, Heart Disease, and Cancer

 

k

[lumia]

I am not suggesting anyone inject this stuff.

 

And I am definitely NOT suggesting anyone cookup

their own injection fluid from the raw herbs... definitely not that.

 

It seems to me that drinking the tea is the safest way of consuming this stuff.

However, i confess, despite my researches, i have no idea how much

herbs to use in a single cup of "danhong" tea.

 

How much Saffflower is used in Safflower tea ?

How much Red Sage is used in Danshen tea ?

Would you use those amounts together in Danhong tea ?

Or would you assume a synergistic effect and use... a quarter ? a half ? of each herb ?

 

clearly much more research is required before anyone can start "dosing" this stuff.

 

I wasn't promoting anyone to inject herbal decortions; even within China herbal injections has became extremely controversial for 20 years, due to the fact that they were mostly developed at a time when the "safe" in "safe and effective" is disregarded in the name of self-sufficiency. My point is just to clarify how the herbs were extracted in its preparation.

 

The dosage of the injection is 4mL 1-2 times a day, which equates to 3-6g of Danshen and 1-2g of safflower per day. I would double that amount just in case, considering the second-pass effect.

 

Danshen,  Red Sage,  or Chinese Sage, is just a variety of Sage, regular culinary sage.

It might be true that there's something particular in red sage, but probably, much

of the magic that's in red sage, will be in common garden sage too.

 

See here:

Chemistry, Pharmacology, and Medicinal Property of Sage (Salvia) to Prevent and Cure Illnesses such as: Obesity, Diabetes, Depression, Dementia, Lupus, Autism, Heart Disease, and Cancer

ref:  http://www.ncbi.nlm....eport=printable

 

So if (probably) the same stuff is in common Sage as red sage,  then that's probably a very good reason

for adding regular sage to your diet.   Chop it up and add it to your soups, stews, salads, pizzas etc.

 

I'm doubtful. Danshen is red sage root, while culinary sage uses the leaves. I know culinary sage (S.officinalis) has neurotrophic effects, but I can't say if that's due any commonalities between the two species. For example:

 

[Distributional difference of fat-soluble compounds in the roots, stems and leaves of four Salvia plants].

[Article in Chinese]

Li JT¹, Dong JE, Liang ZS, Shu ZM, Wan GW.

To illustrate distribution of fat-soluble compounds in the roots, stems and leaves of four Salvia plants, the methods of Histochemistry and HPLC were adopted to analyze different parts of the four Salvia plants in this paper. The results showed that distribution was differential, and following as this: the roots, stems and leaves of four Salvia plants contained fat-soluble compounds, moreover, the fat-soluble compounds of the roots located in periderm and the stems and leaves in epidermis. The main components of the fat-soluble compounds were Tanshinone IIA, Tanshinone I and Dihydrotanshinone I in the toots of Salvia miltiorrhiza Bunge and Salvia miltiorrhiza bge. f. alba, yet there were only Tanshinone IIA in the roots of Salvia japonica and Salvia officinalis. And fat-soluble compounds were not Tanshinone IIA, Tanshinone I and Dihydrotanshinone I in the stems and leaves of four Salvia plants. The type and content of fat-soluble compounds related to the species and introduction regions, they changed with the species and introduction regions. The conclusion clarified the accurate distribution of fat-soluble compounds in the different parts of four Salvia plants, and provided some theoretical basis for the application of Chinese herbs.

→ source (external link)

[playground]

+1 lumia

 

good post!

Yes. Buy the red sage for the purposes of danhong.

 

But regular sage is still a worthwhile addition to your

diet given the laundry list of health benefits.

Edited by playground, 17 March 2016 - 03:13 PM.

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After some further research on this whole Danhong subject.....

 

1.  Danshen is basically just 'Red Sage'. 

You can search for it on the websites of herb sellers, ebay, etc.

Red Sage is exactly the same stuff as 'Danshen'.

See here for example:  https://www.mountain...Red Sage&utf8=✓

 

On the other hand, you can buy Danshen tablets from China (via ebay).

I've got 100 tablets on the desk in front of me. It only cost me $6.

 

2.  Hong Hua is simply Safflower 'flowers' or 'petals'.  (not the root or stem or elsewhere)

Again, these can be purchased from regular herb suppliers.

Here's the relevant page from mountainroseherebs.com

https://www.mountain...-petals/profile

 

You mix the ingredients in a ratio of 3 to 1.

3 parts Red Sage (Danshen) : 1 part Safflower Petals (Hong Hua)

 

that's all for this update.

 

you are giving url to sunflower petals, not safflower
 

[playground]

 

After some further research on this whole Danhong subject.....

 

1.  Danshen is basically just 'Red Sage'. 

You can search for it on the websites of herb sellers, ebay, etc.

Red Sage is exactly the same stuff as 'Danshen'.

See here for example:  https://www.mountain...Red Sage&utf8=✓

 

On the other hand, you can buy Danshen tablets from China (via ebay).

I've got 100 tablets on the desk in front of me. It only cost me $6.

 

2.  Hong Hua is simply Safflower 'flowers' or 'petals'.  (not the root or stem or elsewhere)

Again, these can be purchased from regular herb suppliers.

Here's the relevant page from mountainroseherebs.com

https://www.mountain...-petals/profile

 

You mix the ingredients in a ratio of 3 to 1.

3 parts Red Sage (Danshen) : 1 part Safflower Petals (Hong Hua)

 

that's all for this update.

 

you are giving url to sunflower petals, not safflower
 

 

 

Thanks for spotting that Normalising.

There are a number of online sources for _safflower_ petals.

Here are a couple from ebay plus other sources.

http://www.ebay.co.u...Hl1YRNq9Zn4rGbw

http://www.ebay.co.u...ZYAAOSwo0JWOkAV

 

http://www.uncleroys...wer-petals.html

https://www.algcoffe...product_id=2677

 

 

[lumia]

+1 lumia

 

good post!

Yes. Buy the red sage for the purposes of danhong.

 

But regular sage is still a worthwhile addition to your

diet given the laundry list of health benefits.

 

Another thing I'm thinking is... Most danshen used in research are at least partially ethanol extracted. Drinking just a tea out of it may not have the complete effect. See my previous reply and note the Tanshinones are fat soluble, which means it's unlikely to exist in any Danshen tea...

[Logic]

Melissa officinalis [Lemon Balm] is a smart drug:

http://www.ergo-log....smart-drug.html

[playground]

 

+1 lumia

 

good post!

Yes. Buy the red sage for the purposes of danhong.

 

But regular sage is still a worthwhile addition to your

diet given the laundry list of health benefits.

 

Another thing I'm thinking is... Most danshen used in research are at least partially ethanol extracted. Drinking just a tea out of it may not have the complete effect. See my previous reply and note the Tanshinones are fat soluble, which means it's unlikely to exist in any Danshen tea...

 

 

Perhaps you're right about this lumia.

Though, my understanding is that,... the traditional chinese recipe basically involves drinking the tea.

But the Danhong injection will be extracted chemically with ethanol and purified ..etc.

 

I bought chinese danshen tablets... which are basically concentrated danshen root extract,  pressed into a pill.

These tablets smell very herby... they are very clearly made from some red herb (Red Sage root)

Here's a link to the ebay page where i bought them:

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...0bKaJOZwqDvmkeQ

 

As for the Hong Hua (Safflower petals)

My plan is to simply eat them raw... add them to my soups.

In that way, whatever is in those petals, will end up in me, water soluble, or fat soluble, all in me.

But how much to eat ?

 

If it's a teaspoon of Safflower petals for Hong Hua tea....

...how much petals to add to my soups ?

This feels arbitrary... 1/4 teaspoon ?  1/8th of a teaspoon ?

 

Anyone got any good advice on this point ?

 

 

 

[normalizing]

playground so far how are these danshen tablets doing? anything noticeable? as i remember this thread, it was mentioned few times that people will be taking some type of danshen supplement but so far nobody ever reported anything! and honestly, who cares about safflower, just give me the details on danshen! :X

[Logic]

Melissa officinalis [Lemon Balm] is a smart drug:

http://www.ergo-log....smart-drug.html

 

To 'Off Topic':

• Playground, the topic starter, discusses Danshen and phenolic compounds with anti-amyloid activity in post 10 & 11.
• http://www.longecity...ndpost&p=733098
• The 'winner' in that paper is rosmarinic acid.
• Lemon Balm has the highest rosmarinic acid content of the easily acquirable, common plants and supps.
• My linked article and its linked study mentions similar mental effects to those being discussed here.

 

If clicking mouse buttons is what you enjoy more than reading these threads, I suggest Bobble Bubble and similar games.  
 

[playground]

 

Melissa officinalis [Lemon Balm] is a smart drug:

http://www.ergo-log....smart-drug.html

 

To 'Off Topic':

• Playground, the topic starter, discusses Danshen and phenolic compounds with anti-amyloid activity in post 10 & 11.
• http://www.longecity...ndpost&p=733098
• The 'winner' in that paper is rosmarinic acid.
• Lemon Balm has the highest rosmarinic acid content of the easily acquirable, common plants and supps.
• My linked article and its linked study mentions similar mental effects to those being discussed here.

 

If clicking mouse buttons is what you enjoy more than reading these threads, I suggest Bobble Bubble and similar games.  
 

 

 

I remember being consumed by this suggestion that Rosmarinic Acid might be a natural anti-dementia medicine.

It *might* be exactly that.

 

First, there are two rich sources of Rosmarinic Acid.

(1)  Spearmint !  There's more Rosmarinic acid in spearmint than in Rosemary.   Strange, but true.

      You could buy spearmint essential oil and consume it. 

      You could also add lots of fresh spearmint to your meals as a salad.

(2)  Perilla Oil, is also rich in Rosmarinic Acid.

      For details on this consult the examine.com page for Rosmarinic Acid and Perilla Oil.

      You can buy perilla oil supplements and bottles of neat perilla oil.

 

Second, the big question is:  Why is rosmarinic acid retarding the growth of amyloid ?

(a) because it's an anti-inflamatory, anti-immune-response agent ?

(b) because it's inhibiting the pathogens that..... cause the damage ....that cause the amyloid response?

     (amyloid is an immune response to a pathogen)

 

If the answer is (a) you may not want to give Rosmarinic acid to dementia sufferers. 

It might leave sufferers with reduced defenses.

 

If the answer is (b) run out into the streets screaming eureka! 

And then bath your elderly kinfolk in Rosmarinic acid on a daily basis.

 

Someone needs to do the research to find out the answer to this key question.

 

If anyone believes that the research has already been done, please post it here.

 

 

Edited by playground, 29 March 2016 - 11:45 PM.

[Logic]

I remember being consumed by this suggestion that Rosmarinic Acid might be a natural anti-dementia medicine.

It *might* be exactly that.

 

First, there are two rich sources of Rosmarinic Acid.

(1)  Spearmint !  There's more Rosmarinic acid in spearmint than in Rosemary.   Strange, but true.

      You could buy spearmint essential oil and consume it. 

      You could also add lots of fresh spearmint to your meals as a salad.

(2)  Perilla Oil, is also rich in Rosmarinic Acid.

      For details on this consult the examine.com page for Rosmarinic Acid and Perilla Oil.

      You can buy perilla oil supplements and bottles of neat perilla oil.

 

Second, the big question is:  Why is rosmarinic acid retarding the growth of amyloid ?

(a) because it's an anti-inflamatory, anti-immune-response agent ?

(b) because it's inhibiting the pathogens that..... cause the damage ....that cause the amyloid response?

     (amyloid is an immune response to a pathogen)

 

If the answer is (a) you may not want to give Rosmarinic acid to dementia sufferers. 

It might leave sufferers with reduced defenses.

 

If the answer is (b) run out into the streets screaming eureka! 

And then bath your elderly kinfolk in Rosmarinic acid on a daily basis.

 

Someone needs to do the research to find out the answer to this key question.

 

If anyone believes that the research has already been done, please post it here.

 

 

...someone!?

 

Antiviral and Anti-Inflammatory Effects of Rosmarinic Acid in an Experimental Murine Model of Japanese Encephalitis

...RA acts as a potent antiviral agent against JE. Results from our in vivo experiments clearly indicate that RA reduces the (i) viral replication within the brain and (ii) secondary inflammation resulting from microglial activation...

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2043228/

 

Melissa officinalis extract inhibits attachment of herpes simplex virus in vitro.

...no antiviral effect was observed as determined by plaque reduction assay and analysis of expression of viral protein ICP0. However, the Melissa extract demonstrated a high virucidal activity against HSV-1, even at very low concentrations of 1.5 μg/ml...Besides the virucidal activity, the Melissa extract and rosmarinic acid inhibited HSV-1 attachment to host cells in a dose-dependent manner. These results indicate that rosmarinic acid was the main contributor to the antiviral activity of Melissa extract. However, the selectivity index of Melissa extract of 875 against HSV is superior to the selectivity indices of single constituents.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22377592

 

http://www.zhion.com...rinic_acid.html

 

Melissa officinalis oil affects infectivity of enveloped herpesviruses

...At noncytotoxic concentrations of the oil,plaque formation was significantly reduced by 98.8% for HSV-1 and 97.2% for HSV-2, higher concentrations of lemon balm oil abolished viral infectivity nearly completely...

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18693101

Do note that the acids and monoglycerides in VCO have a very similar effect on lipid coated virii.

Especially Lauric Acid.
Someone else can look that up!  This is already too for off topic.

[playground]

 

I remember being consumed by this suggestion that Rosmarinic Acid might be a natural anti-dementia medicine.

It *might* be exactly that.

 

First, there are two rich sources of Rosmarinic Acid.

(1)  Spearmint !  There's more Rosmarinic acid in spearmint than in Rosemary.   Strange, but true.

      You could buy spearmint essential oil and consume it. 

      You could also add lots of fresh spearmint to your meals as a salad.

(2)  Perilla Oil, is also rich in Rosmarinic Acid.

      For details on this consult the examine.com page for Rosmarinic Acid and Perilla Oil.

      You can buy perilla oil supplements and bottles of neat perilla oil.

 

Second, the big question is:  Why is rosmarinic acid retarding the growth of amyloid ?

(a) because it's an anti-inflamatory, anti-immune-response agent ?

(b) because it's inhibiting the pathogens that..... cause the damage ....that cause the amyloid response?

     (amyloid is an immune response to a pathogen)

 

If the answer is (a) you may not want to give Rosmarinic acid to dementia sufferers. 

It might leave sufferers with reduced defenses.

 

If the answer is (b) run out into the streets screaming eureka! 

And then bath your elderly kinfolk in Rosmarinic acid on a daily basis.

 

Someone needs to do the research to find out the answer to this key question.

 

If anyone believes that the research has already been done, please post it here.

 

 

...someone!?

 

Antiviral and Anti-Inflammatory Effects of Rosmarinic Acid in an Experimental Murine Model of Japanese Encephalitis

...RA acts as a potent antiviral agent against JE. Results from our in vivo experiments clearly indicate that RA reduces the (i) viral replication within the brain and (ii) secondary inflammation resulting from microglial activation...

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2043228/

 

Melissa officinalis extract inhibits attachment of herpes simplex virus in vitro.

...no antiviral effect was observed as determined by plaque reduction assay and analysis of expression of viral protein ICP0. However, the Melissa extract demonstrated a high virucidal activity against HSV-1, even at very low concentrations of 1.5 μg/ml...Besides the virucidal activity, the Melissa extract and rosmarinic acid inhibited HSV-1 attachment to host cells in a dose-dependent manner. These results indicate that rosmarinic acid was the main contributor to the antiviral activity of Melissa extract. However, the selectivity index of Melissa extract of 875 against HSV is superior to the selectivity indices of single constituents.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22377592

 

http://www.zhion.com...rinic_acid.html

 

Melissa officinalis oil affects infectivity of enveloped herpesviruses

...At noncytotoxic concentrations of the oil,plaque formation was significantly reduced by 98.8% for HSV-1 and 97.2% for HSV-2, higher concentrations of lemon balm oil abolished viral infectivity nearly completely...

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18693101

Do note that the acids and monoglycerides in VCO have a very similar effect on lipid coated virii.

Especially Lauric Acid.
Someone else can look that up!  This is already too for off topic.

 

 

A+ Logic ! :-)

 

Right... i recommend you run out naked into the streets screaming eureka!

And get your kinfolk ready... it's bath time.

The evidence you supply would seem to suggest that Rosemarinic acid has anti-viral properties.

It would be nice to also have evidence that Rosemarinic acid does NOT inhibit one's immune defenses.

 

I am familiar with the research on Lauric acid being anti-viral, anti-bacterial, anti-fungal.

Lauric acid appears in great quantities in coconut oil. 

(but only in organic, cold pressed coconut oil, the "refined" or "purified" coconut oil doesn't pass muster)

There is a key text entitled "The Coconut Oil Miracle"   It's a book.

Google it, or 'youtube it' you'll find interviews with the author.

You might also try iHealthTube.com

They have mini-videos on health topics, coconut oil as been one of their themes in the past.

Also look for "Dr Mary Newport Coconut oil" for the research and videos on coconut oil and alzhemiers

 

It's very easy to buy "spearmint essential oil" 

There's no shortage of vendors for this on ebay.  probably amazon too.

You could mix Coconut oil and spearmint oil. 

You could add this to soups, stews and curries.

Mint and ginger works. 

Mint and garlic doesn't work too well.

Mint and fennel works. 

Mint with green curry works.

Mint goes with rice, especially brown rice (IMHO).

 

And of-course, consuming spearmint is apt to have a positive effect on your

personal odour.  This of-course will be of interest to diabetics

and those pursuing a keto-genic diet and/or intermittent fasting

...as well as people with body odour and/or bad breath :-)

 

It would be just fantastic if some research came along to show that Rosemarinic Acid

(and/or Lauric Acid) attacks chlamydia pneumoniae (CP)

This nasty little pathogen is implicated in most of the dementias.

 

Thanks again Logic for supplying those research papers.  Much appreciated :-)
 

Edited by playground, 03 April 2016 - 02:50 AM.

[normalizing]

hi i still cant find good reliable source for red sage, any updates on this??

[playground]

hi Hazy,

 

have you tried ebay ?

I found both red sage herb and red sage oil.... on ebay.

[normalizing]

hi which is a good one to buy from ebay? can you recommendation? ive tried a lot of places, and i see a lot of people selling "something" called red sage, not sure if its real and quality tho, i need reviews