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[ImmortalSpace]

So this guy sells vitamin C his name's Markus Rothkranz and he has this formula-

He includes gubinge (Kakidu plum) which is the highest source of Vitamin C in the world. 

Let me know what you think.

 

http://markusrothkra.../vitamin-c.html

[mustardseed41]

I could not even get past the first minute before I had to stop watching his Youtube video. Bashing Ascorbic Acid and how it is all evil and synthetic. Horse $%*%

I'm sure it's a fine product but don't waste your money on his hype. Oral vitamin C does not offer the same skin benefits as topical C. Yes you need oral C for skin but topical C plays a much much bigger role in skin antioxidant protection and collagen. Among other things.

Edited by mustardseed41, 28 June 2015 - 05:24 AM.

[ImmortalSpace]

Well, he was bashing the synthetic version of Vitamin C which is Ascorbic acid, not the Vitamin C found in fruits and vegetables. 

[mustardseed41]

I'm aware of this.

[niner]

ImmortalSpace, trust mustardseed on this.

[ImmortalSpace]

ImmortalSpace, trust mustardseed on this.

 

According to this study.. Synthetic Vitamin C in doses at 500 mg has a pro-oxidant affect in the body wheras natural vitamin C does not so I'm afraid the benefits of synthetic vitamin C don't outweigh the cons. 

Natural seems to be the best option, and that guy is selling vitamin C from the Kakidu plum which is the plant source with the highest vitamin C known to exist.

 

"... British researchers, chemical pathologists at the University of Leicester, found in a six-week study of 30 healthy men and women that a daily 500-milligram supplement of vitamin C had pro-oxidant as well as antioxidant effects on the genetic material DNA. The researchers found that at the 500-milligram level, vitamin C promoted genetic damage by free radicals to a part of the DNA, the adenine bases, that had not previously been measured in studies of the vitamin's oxidative properties ....

" ''Unlike the vitamin C naturally present in foods like orange juice, vitamin C as a supplement is not an antioxidant,'' Dr. Herbert said. ''It's a redox agent -- an antioxidant in some circumstances and a pro-oxidant in others.'' " " (Taking too much vitamin C can be dangerous, Brody; 1998)

 

Source:

http://www.nytimes.c...tudy-finds.html

[Heyman]

There are a few studies on skin showing that internal vitamin C + E works and Vitamin C alone does not. I wonder if it is the additional antioxidants present in plants which stabilize the vitamin C. If you want to take vitamin C internally for skin health you should always combine it with vitamin E to make it more stable.

Edited by Heyman, 30 June 2015 - 09:57 AM.

[ImmortalSpace]

There are a few studies on skin showing that internal vitamin C + E works and Vitamin C alone does not. I wonder if it is the additional antioxidants present in plants which stabilize the vitamin C. If you want to take vitamin C internally for skin health you should always combine it with vitamin E to make it more stable.

 

Well as far as Science tells, naturally found Vitamin C Does work- in terms of acting as an antioxidant and forming new collagen. Silica is best when combined with Vitamin C to get most benefits.

I never heard of it being unstable on it's own (assuming it's natural) Can you link references?

[Heyman]

I never heard of it being unstable on it's own (assuming it's natural) Can you link references?

 

If you dissolve L Ascorbic Acid in water it will start to oxidize. E.g. check Pubmed /PMC3673383/

 

As soon as you put vitamin C into your body - whatever you mean with natural or not - it is likely not a powder on its own anymore.

 

By the way: Does anyone know why I'm not allowed to post links?
 

[twinkly]

In addition to using topical C, I supplement with oral synthetic C as well, in the form of dissolvable tablets at 1000 mg each. I really enjoy them as there is a variety of flavors to choose from. Am I better of getting it from my diet, or look for a more natural solution, like the one ImmortalSpace linked to?

Edited by twinkly, 12 July 2015 - 08:44 PM.

[pamojja]

Well, he was bashing the synthetic version of Vitamin C which is Ascorbic acid, not the Vitamin C found in fruits and vegetables. 

 

Synthetic ascorbic acid is the same Vitamin C molecule which in minuscule amounts prevents scurvy. Ascorbic acid in natural food comes with many as well beneficial bioflavonoids (hesperitin, tannins, rutin etc.), but none of those additional bioflavoinoids have the status of an essential Vitamin because on their own wouldn't prevent a deficiency disease like scurvy. Therefore bashing synthetic Vitamin C and praising a scientifically non-existent real Vitamin C is a marketing plot with no foundation in science.

 

Though personally I do get much more of those as well beneficial bioflavonoids individually at a much better price and higher dose along with ascorbic acid.
 

Edited by pamojja, 12 July 2015 - 10:10 PM.

[mustardseed41]

In addition to using topical C, I supplement with oral synthetic C as well, in the form of dissolvable tablets at 1000 mg each. I really enjoy them as there is a variety of flavors to choose from. Am I better of getting it from my diet, or look for a more natural solution, like the one ImmortalSpace linked to
sTICK WITH SYNTHETIC

 

Stick with synthetic C. I would think twice about the flavored dissolvable C tablets. They are murder on the tooth enamel.

[twinkly]

In addition to using topical C, I supplement with oral synthetic C as well, in the form of dissolvable tablets at 1000 mg each. I really enjoy them as there is a variety of flavors to choose from. Am I better of getting it from my diet, or look for a more natural solution, like the one ImmortalSpace linked to
sTICK WITH SYNTHETIC

Stick with synthetic C. I would think twice about the flavored dissolvable C tablets. They are murder on the tooth enamel.

So much for those then, haha. You're probably right though. They're really acidic. Guess I'll drop them then. So I should find one that come with pills then at the same standard dosage? That means I will have to order then, because vitamin C in pill form are practically non-existent locally in these borders. I know, right?