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Hi everybody,

 

I have a specific problem, which seems pretty hopeless but I am not someone who gives up easily.

 

My main problem is a bladder condition with pain and frequency. I don't have a diagnosis for it, it might be interstitial cystitis because it gets worse or better depending on what I eat and drink. Green tea for example makes it worse. 

 

The whole thing isn't even that bad, I don't even have to get up a single time during the night usually. (This is pretty uncommon for this type of condition, and the typical doctor will dismiss the whole problem on this point, because even a lot of healthy people have to get up to pee during the night.)

 

 

I will return to this problem in a minute. My other main problems are mood issues - depression, bipolar-ish, social anhedonia, libido, which I try to treat with supplements- with some success. Sam-e does a lot for depression and I also found supplements that works for anhedonia, but - and that is the main issue - a lot of them I can't take regularly because  they aggravate my bladder. These are for example:

Gluthatione reduced,

Sulbutiamine, 

Relora,

Ginseng,

citrus bioflavonoids

 

These would really do lot for me but I can't take them which is really annoying.

Benfotiamine does not bother my bladder as Sulbutiamine does but also does nothing for mood...

 

I have already tried a lot of supplements to amend the bladder, but no luck so far. C60 helps a little but not enough.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by me777, 27 August 2015 - 09:27 PM.

[Gerrans]

The best thing I have found is to relax the tubes down there, and, from experiment, saw palmetto, nettle, and pygeum do that for me. I am prone to some kind of reflux pains that I have seen the doctor about. I suspect prostate issues, but that is not clear; and it has not got worse in four years, so I do not worry about it now. Your problem may be different, but if it gets better or worse according to what you eat and drink--as mine does--then vasodilation and constriction could be the difference. It could also be to do with acidity, because high uric acid levels can sometimes make nephritic or urinary tract conditions feel worse. In that case, the more potassium-rich foods the better. Plus plenty to drink.

Edited by Gerrans, 28 August 2015 - 04:41 PM.

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Thanks for your answer, Gerrans!

I have tried beta sisosterol which is supposed to be the active thing in saw palmetto and nettle, and it didn't do anything. I will try pygeum in the future.

 

The prostate is not the culprit in my case,  it's not enlarged and my urine flow is mostly fine.

Edited by me777, 28 August 2015 - 05:33 PM.

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To bump this topic, here are my latest thoughts about this.

 

I half suspect this problem to be due to a deep-rooted muscle tension. 

My reasoning is that antiinflammatories like curcumin or ginger don't help at all and the pschoactive supplements might exacerbate a (maybe subconscious) psychological tension.

 

So maybe try some muscle relaxers you say...

 

And indeed those have helped at times. For example once I took a xanax and drank two beers and the problem seemed to be gone for a week or two. At another time xanax and huperzine seemed to help.

But this does not work consistently. (Also it's not a great lifestyle choice...)

 

Maybe someone knows a great supplement or other means to relaxes one's pelvic muscles?

[shp5]

you could try releasing the tension in your pelvic floor by sitting on a tennis ball on a hard chair for 5-10 mins and doing deep breaths (ca. 5-10 seconds of pause after in AND after expiration, breathing out should be a deep sigh where you just let the air go, not using any muscular effort at all

 

I would definitely ask around if anyone knows a good osteopath in your area, visceral mobilisation could definitely help you, also there could be some muskulo-skeletal problems that dysregulate the part of the autonomous nerve system that innervates the bladder (Th10-L2, S2-S4).

 

Good Luck and please write your experience with manual therapy if you choose to try it.

Edited by shp5, 02 December 2015 - 07:12 PM.

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you could try releasing the tension in your pelvic floor by sitting on a tennis ball on a hard chair for 5-10 mins and doing deep breaths (ca. 5-10 seconds of pause after in AND after expiration, breathing out should be a deep sigh where you just let the air go, not using any muscular effort at all

 

 

Thank you for the tennis ball suggestion, it has helped a lot! 

[shp5]

very glad to hear. you could also try hip rotator stretches using the same breathing pattern. search for piriformis stretch, try and use the one that gives you the best stretch in the buttocks. i prefer the table-top one.

 

if the tennis ball helps, get to an osteopath, there's a very good chance for improvement. if you're lucky it's not even stress-induced tension (may take some time to fix), but some mechanical problem in your pelvis that increases the tension in the pelvic floor (easy fix).

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I was doing the piriformis stretches already! After I noticed that the tennis ball helps I tried all kinds of different hip stretches.

I am pretty sure that it is stress-induced because it started after a very stressful event, also I now can even feel the tension rising when stressed or uncomfortable around people.

 

I might go to an osteopath in the future but right now I hope I can deal with the problem myself with various stretches..

 

Thanks again.