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[johnross47]

Ergo what is real, is the self real? Are our experiences a trustwothy and honest reflection of the our environment? I think a none duality view answers many questions one may have by seeing the right question. To experience none duality one would have to get their third eye working. The radiological communication the two halves of the Cerebral Cortex get is made possible with the DMT the Pineal produces. This promotes the growth of nerve fibres to increase cross Cortical communication. Salmonella, Serotonin, and DMT have common symptoms when over dosed, I'll leave it there.
Sometimes realising one's Self requires experience of the environment you don't see with your eyes, say, predicting a phone call, we've all done it (alot?). Rupert Sheldrake gets results with some convincing thought provoking experiments, not forgeting his students.

 

what on earth is "the radiological communication ....the two halves of the cerebral cortex get."?????????

 

I understand the role of the ccorpus callosum but I haven't heard of any radiological generating systems in there.

[Multivitz]

If you hold a piece of wire near the surface of your tonge, it will impart its presence to your nerves. When large areas of nerves one side of the Cortex organise and harmonise with the other they can communicate by the process of sympathetic organic magnetic resonance. A bit like how a radio works, but far better.
You may know the behaviour of left brain, brain washing. And right side brain imagination, bring the two together and one's world changes and you stop asking others questions!!!!!!!

[Leonardo]

If you hold a piece of wire near the surface of your tonge, it will impart its presence to your nerves. When large areas of nerves one side of the Cortex organise and harmonise with the other they can communicate by the process of sympathetic organic magnetic resonance. A bit like how a radio works, but far better.
You may know the behaviour of left brain, brain washing. And right side brain imagination, bring the two together and one's world changes and you stop asking others questions!!!!!!!

 

you are getting too philosophical mate

besides, I specialise in neuroscience and can tell you for a fact that the notion of "two brains" (left hemisphere / right hemisphere dominance) is a thing of the past, it has been recently shown that both hemispheres work together, even in tasks that were previously thought to be processed "predominantly" by one side.

[Multivitz]

Oh thats what observations look like. Observe the character of a loved one who has had a stroke! You'll see what I mean, no loss of memories but marked behavioral changes towards the brain side thats working. Thats what I've seen anyway, the 'recently shown' scenario I'm not willing to accept as people find modern life stressful their bodies will adapt in the only way they can, a jumbled up mess?
And I suppose you've been told that the Pineal gland is a relic of our ancestors brains and no longer has any function that can be studied? Oh and I was talking straight, not philosophically. Philosophy is what drags the mind to a more complete understanding mate. What? You think I was just throwing some random ideas about lol Oh my dear fellow, the observation of Cerebral activity whilst a patient is thinking is completly pointless as the brain acts as a passive(re) antenna, the act of will for a new task is preferred to the side of the brain the act most suits. This is just another example of 'not seeing the wood for the trees', and 'bind leading the blind'?
How blind are you Leonardo? I would imagine you have invested a lot of your life to help others in confidence. How can you tell me the notion of fact when current science DON'T understand how the thing works, people on hear are still believing it stores memories, like some sort of harddrive!!
The notion of left brain right brain dominance is a very real my friend an ancient concept of understanding, see a stroke patient who has half of thiers biologically switched off, a before and after would convince most.
Some of us think we know it all. Peogen holing concepts won't help, they all work together in a holographic sense you could say. The brain is a junction box for the senses, a photon modifier, a transmitter controller(heart and mind) and a reciever(absorber of information). With the brain sending out condioning nerve impluses to the tissue and responding to enviromental potential with energies that are not measurable by scientific means, study can only be made of the larger noticable electromagnetic variances! Leonardo, you do know the difference between man made electric (electromagnetism), natural electric(static, pulse, scalar wave). I'm being completly serious here. All my posts are. We experience potentials inside our brain from all sorts of places, our spine has large groups of nerve cells that are no different to a brain cell. The potentails are the creation of impulse, they apear in the repsective sides(imaginative, logical) of the brain. We experience this, you can't measure the impulses of an organic potential. I don't care how sensitive your mates oscilloscope is. Know your science by experience Leonardo before you submit a fact to your heart!

Edited by Multivitz, 21 December 2015 - 11:46 AM.

[Multivitz]

Has anyone bothered to feel the flux atmosphere from a wire (or any conductive crystaline metal) when it's near thier tongue? You need a steady hand.
Go reread any of my posts and I will cherish the chance to reiterate it for you. I'm not a troll, if someone claims I am at fault, I gracefully concede with acknowledgment. It is rare(me lying), why would one ever lie in such matters?
Listening to me will give you a head ache, its just the truth adapting against old habits. You'll feel better in the morning.

[Multivitz]

Brain cells use synaptic logic, ergo the logic side would need the imagination side to create the template for the logic side to investigate. You'll see large fluctuations of electric all over the brain for most tests. But in the experience NEW experiences of the Will are felt on the respective sides. The Will is seldom made evident to the observer in this way unless the self has all the faculties of the body ie Healthy Pineal gland, electrolytes, capacities of mind activities, freedom of mental attitude (guidance from an experienced being), beliefs created by experimental observation repleatedly in the right conditions ( your attitude, diet, settings, people involved, etc, why do you think religion is so prevalent! ), this could be called the basics, but we all know there's many paths to enlightenment of one's self.

[Multivitz]

Example of 'pulse electric',
You switch a light on at the wall, the bulb blows, you experience a pulse(an alarming shock through your hand) from the INSULATED switch. Its volts are high, amps are low, the low magnetic quantity means you feel it's presence.
The theory of electric, gravity, biology, maths, inertia, light, history have been hyjacked, they let the idiots do thier thing for war, death, encourage misinformation.
Stephen Crothers got thrown out of a University for thinking straight!!
You look at the Russian subject knowledge of the sciences, no, been discouraged have we? The Russians have not been 'hyjacked' as such, but the important undersandings are controlled for public safety

I can give varified examples of poor practice, we all can if we noticed.
My examples are profound manipulation that renders that field of science a dead end, only corporate puppets get made, thier hands get tied. From Nobels to practioners, most are very nice people, there hands work slow when they're tied (if at all!).

[Multivitz]

Alex Putney? Putney......Putney................Putney, has anyone seen Putney today??

No intelligent retort then Leo the neurological expert? Look I'm trying to provoke some sort of response here, but we both know you're out of your depth. I'm not the bad guy here, neither are you. Come on teach me something, we're in the Philosophy section, it's a tool to explore life based on observational experience, much like the sciences but with some theoretical rhetoric one believes could be true.
To see eye to see, or be in my shoes, is difficult but I have taken the time to explain myself at both our expense. What can you say?


Speaking lies just waste anyones time, if someone comes back here to look at my posts, I don't want to let them read lies. OMG alot of people are so shallow that they accept lies! Lies are a prodominent effect of poor diet, a form of biological cognative disambiguation.

Edited by Multivitz, 21 December 2015 - 01:37 PM.

[Multivitz]

No I don't define myself as equal to memories. Memories are something that the self has, and therefore not something that it is. The self may have no long term memories at all but still exist, as long as there's short term memory (which I think is necessary to have any awareness at all).

Lets consider another extreme. A human being that behaves just like any other but lacks qualia - i.e. every action and thought is performed subconsciously, and there's no conscious awareness of these processes. The brain is processing information and doing all that it should, but there's no experiencer inside. Would you say that this being has a self?

[Multivitz]

No I don't define myself as equal to memories. Memories are something that the self has, and therefore not something that it is. The self may have no long term memories at all but still exist, as long as there's short term memory (which I think is necessary to have any awareness at all).

Lets consider another extreme. A human being that behaves just like any other but lacks qualia - i.e. every action and thought is performed subconsciously, and there's no conscious awareness of these processes. The brain is processing information and doing all that it should, but there's no experiencer inside. Would you say that this being has a self?

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You described the self as magnetic flux, magnetism has memory in space, for a photon ar least. Not many people know this, or get told it as fact. Only yesterday I commented in a thread in the Physics section about a quantum theory experiment that had posted in an extrenal link, and showed this, for the world to see.
Most learned people would know it as the 'quantum delay idea', except they are doing the experiements now, with quarter wave magnetics to interfere with the energy particle before a double split.
I imagine the self as a plasma of vortecies, eddies, of colour that follow our bodies around. Plasma physics is way intresting, it's quite hard as it combines the arts!

Edited by Multivitz, 21 December 2015 - 04:13 PM.

[Blink]

There's one philosophical view - panpsychism - which describes consciousness as a universal and primordial feature of the universe and all things. A fundamental force of the universe - sort of like electromagnetism or gravity. It's one of the oldest philosophical theories of consciousness and can also be found in Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta.

[Multivitz]

I'm a believer in Janism, in supersedes most modern religions. Karma describes alot, what we can see here in a sense, or in an artificial sense seen in the way the quantum experiments are made. Wow.....

Edited by Multivitz, 21 December 2015 - 04:31 PM.

[Multivitz]

I think the left side of the brain may have a fresher supply of blood, but in a body that is depleted or long term low in nutrients, would have a direct effect on that areas nourishment? I'm sure there's studies about this. Someone who has good memory and can use thier memory well, might not notice much with an improved diet, they would say they just felt better.
Practicing meditation helps balance, I don't think some people appreciate why imo.



I hope Leonardo can reply soon.

[Leonardo]

arguing several things at once and writing the first thing that comes to your head, whilst letting your imagination fly, does not make your arguments valid or compelling, besides, what are your sources?

I have no problem discussing any kind of hypothetical situation but your arguments seem far from concrete, which makes it impossible to think of them as serious or worthy of analysing.

 

the core of the thread is "what's the self" and you are bringing things such as "You look at the Russian subject knowledge of the sciences, no, been discouraged have we? The Russians have not been 'hyjacked' as such, but the important undersandings are controlled for public safety"

 

that is hilariously out of place, and poorly written.

if you want to go into conspiracy theories or wishful/magical views of the world, then I should recommend you another forum, or another thread for starters.

Edited by Leonardo, 21 December 2015 - 07:39 PM.

[Multivitz]

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[quote name="seivtcho" post="754506" timestamp="1450360640"]

Then you are periodically dying. Your mental construct from your baby years is death, your mental construct from your childhood is death, and your mental construct of youtr teens is death. Your current mental construct will be death too after several decades. Eachtime you change your oppinion on some subject your past you dissapears, and your new you appears on its place.[/quote

yes, precisely. [/quote]

Well no. A maturing Self ,developes morals and becomes solidified/resolute. A mature self should be ready to change and adapt if called upon. When ones faculties are functional the higher self has more access. This is possible even without meditation, the person would report some unusual feelings at night but nothing as prominent as kundelini, for example.

[Multivitz]

Being bent up in the middle of a Crown Chakara activation isn't everyone's cup of tea! It's like being possed , guidance is paramount, I would also recommend preperation!

[Multivitz]

Please quote me in the correct context Leonardo, espesially about the Russian quote, I would like to bring the readers attention to the apology I wrote the the time below it?

Not a very good argument Leonardo, but it seems you are the only one arguing. I'm discussing self, not arguing!

Where is a reply to my brains two halfs hypothosis? Best deal with that as I haven't seemed to satisfy your premise.
Thanks for replying.
I'm glad you have had some entertainment from me, why don't you recommend some friends to read the thread? After all, sharing is caring lol

Edited by Multivitz, 21 December 2015 - 08:11 PM.

[johnross47]

Please quote me in the correct context Leonardo, espesially about the Russian quote, I would like to bring the readers attention to the apology I wrote the the time below it?

Not a very good argument Leonardo, but it seems you are the only one arguing. I'm discussing self, not arguing!

Where is a reply to my brains two halfs hypothosis? Best deal with that as I haven't seemed to satisfy your premise.
Thanks for replying.
I'm glad you have had some entertainment from me, why don't you recommend some friends to read the thread? After all, sharing is caring lol

 

You and Shadowhawk should get together; you have a lot in common.

[Multivitz]

I've noticed, cheers.

[Multivitz]

Of course the brain is ambidextrous, but with abundant nutrition and electrolytics things get into an prefered order. Imagination steers logic, logic establishes beliefs. Unless you apply a principle of blind faith in the process.

Edited by Multivitz, 23 December 2015 - 10:35 PM.

[johnross47]

Of course the brain is ambidextrous, but with abundant nutrition and electrolytics things get into an prefered order. Imagination steers logic, logic establishes beliefs. Unless you apply a principle of blind faith in the process.

 

My experience is that for most folk, most of the time, it's beliefs that control everything else. Expectations, which are a form of belief, control perception. The brain is a prediction engine which just seeks confirmation in the information flowing in through the senses. Most of the time. It takes a conscious decision to switch that off, to disconnect the autopilot, and look at the world out there properly. That is where science comes in, and replaces mystical, evidence free imaginings with evidence.

 

We don't die contantly, we change. The self is a large and fluid construct emerging from the activities of billions of cells. Each experience modifies some of the cells, so the self evolves. It's rather like the famous ship, of Philosophy 101, little bits are replaced every so often as they wear out until none of the remaining parts is an original. My interpretation of that is that the identity of the ship remains because it the is set of overlapping continuities of its parts.

[Multivitz]

The autopilot has logic that one can use to further combine yourself. Beliefs are reflected to the higher self and the more logical the more effective. Compare some logic in other languages, thinking has to be done correctly if a bond to the higherself is to become established confidently. It's a crazy mixed up world?! The self is a plasma intracting with the changing biology, of course there will be mood changes, but the person is identifiable.

[pamojja]

The self is a plasma intracting with the changing biology, of course there will be mood changes, but the person is identifiable.

 

Anything identifiable is changing. Unless you posit a self consisting of changing identities. Which, however, again would negate the notion of a self itself.
 

We are always relationally interacting, which means anything Non-self we relate to is as much determining our changing identities, as the relation to the believe in a permanent 'plasma' too. What ever you imagine that to be, since anything observable is changing constantly and therefore can't be the self.

 

The only thing permanent is constant flux, and that doesn't belong to any self, particularly.

[Multivitz]

Ergo we are all products of our environment. How long does the flux go on for? I take it that no one has seen Harry Oldfield's work yet?

Edited by Multivitz, 27 December 2015 - 08:47 PM.

[pamojja]

Ergo we are all products of our environment.

 

Well, for all mystical purposes, why not simply drop that artificial distinction between self and non-self? While retaining it wisely for everyday pragmatic reasons.

[johnross47]

"thinking has to be done correctly if a bond to the higherself is to become established confidently."

 

 

What is a higher self?

 

 

[Multivitz]

Photon energetics that allow a more efficient traversal of the environment?

[Leonardo]

[johnross47]

Photon energetics that allow a more efficient traversal of the environment?

 

Are you using a random word generator?

[Multivitz]

Are you incapable of using a dictionary? It appears you are incapable of searching for a words meaning then placing it into a sentences context. Oh theres some more confusing words. No they are not confusing for you, the fact remains you are immature. But you knew that right? Or are you lazy and have been told you are worth more if you stick to things that are understandable for your current brain activity.
Isn't there peer reviewed experiments that show random number generators not working as random.
Whats the matter? Your profile says you would rather let someone else cook for you at a large distance away from your home planet. Cheer up boy, start cooking for yourself.
But what is food? Can a mature person live of prana alone? What is the self if it isn't the multiple layers that confuse the immature so readily.

Edited by Multivitz, 02 January 2016 - 01:03 PM.