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My first phenibut withdraw – pros and cons after 6 months on

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#1 ULTRA_VULGAR

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Posted 05 February 2016 - 05:55 PM


This will not be another phenifucked horror story, I promise you.

 

I ordered phenibut when I first really got into nootropics. After much research (years, practically), I ordered a $120 nootropic “starter pack” of various racetams and smart drugs that I’ve been meaning to try. I used them one at a time and collected some very interesting data on each substance.

I first started using phenibut just before I hit the gym at the recommended 250 mg dose with no noticeable effects. After reading about the extreme anxiolytic effects of phenibut, I decided to try 500 mg before going out to a bar with some friends in lieu of drinking. No alcohol was consumed, but I felt amazing. I enjoyed the social lubrication effects of alcohol (or any GABA antagonist) yet clear headed enough to fluidly flirt with women and navigate conversations with a confident charisma I didn’t know I had. I ended up taking a slop tart home with me that night, and I was forever sold on phenibut.

 

It wasn’t until I was taking 500 mg of phenibut daily, along with piracetam, oxiracetam, aniraetam and noopept I cycled one at a time, that I realized that I had always suffered from extreme social anxiety.  Looking back, I was always awkward in social situations. And I’m not talking about geeky high school teenager awkward, I’m 29, own my own business and am forced to interact with many people on a daily basis. By all accounts, no one would peg my as the “paralyzing social anxiety” guy, yet even at my own parties I would host, I would rather sip beer quietly in the corner than socialize with the very people I know and love – a concept which terrified me, and for no reason!

 

I cycled phenibut by tapering once a month. This happened for three months in a row before I started having too much down time at work when cycling. This should have been my first indication that I was becoming dependent, but phenibut had genuinely improved my quality of life. I was more successful both in my career and in my social circles. I decided that I would rather take a substance daily rather than live with extreme anxiety and fear for a week while tapering, in which I would get absolutely nothing done.

 

So, I began taking phenibut daily and stopped using it recreationally altogether. I adhered to a strict 500 mg twice a day routine with fantastic results, including better quality of sleep, more efficient use of my work time, verbal fluidity, and with my anxiety gone, I was even more aggressive when pursuing contracts at work – phenibut was making me more money.

 

Over the next 6 months, tolerance naturally developed, but more importantly I stopped recording my doses in a daily nootropic log. 500 mg twice daily became 1,000 mg twice daily, and 1,000 mg twice daily became dose as needed. This week, I’ve been taking anywhere from 3 to 5 grams of phenibut daily, usually with noopept and vitamins. I still maintained all of the positive effects from my initial dose 6 months prior, but the only negative effects I encountered occur when I doses more than 2 grams at once include sleepiness (since I dose first thing in the morning), head fog, and at very high doses, stumbling when I walk as if I were drunk when, and – most annoyingly – restless leg syndrome, or more specifically, twitchy toes. So, I made the conscious decision to do another cycle. Instead of taking weeks to tapper and risk the possibility of down time at work, I did the dumbest thing imaginable. I went to the grocery store and bought natural detox stuff – kombucha tea, cranberry pill, niacin, and Yogi brand DeTox tea. I got home, drank half of the kombucha and brewed myself a cup of the detox tea, sipping it as I fell asleep around 11 pm, my last phenibut dose being 1 gram at 7 pm. I didn’t realize it at the time, but I consumed 8 grams of phenibut that day – the highest daily dose I had ever taken.

 

I woke up at 1 am to a sweat soak bed and full body muscle spasms. Uncontrollable aches and pains in every inch of my body. I am a daily practitioner of meditation and tried to focus on my mental state instead of my physical sensations, but it’s not a mind over matter thing – this is real physical dependence. After 20 minutes of muscle spasms and the worst withdraw I have ever faced, I immediately downed 1,500 mg phenibut and promptly went back to sleep.

 

That was two days ago. I have since began to tapper off of phenibut – with every intention of slowly cycling back on it as soon as I get below 250 mg.

 

What are the real dangers of taking phenibut daily? Terrifying withdraws are a serious reality, but only if you let it happen. As we all know, this stuff is dirt cheap and easily attainable anywhere on the internet, so running out is never a possibility. What if you should find yourself in a situation where you don’t have access to phenibut? Even when taking over 2 grams a day, I have gone up to 3 days without being able to reach my phenibut stash and have only suffered mild irritation. I have gained much, much more by taking phenibut daily than I have lost or suffered. Some of my best mates are prescribed klonopin or Xanax daily for their anxiety by their doctors, and even with antidepressants, it is not recommended to ever skip a dose, lest you suffer serious withdrawl effects from downregulated receptions. These are medicines that are intended to be used daily, as so, too I believe phenibut is – at least for me.

 

After experimenting with a variety of nootropics, here is my current daily stack that I have found to be the most effective: phenibut, noopept, ALCAR, DHEA, multivitans and occasionally, caffeine and tianeptine.

 

Here are the ingredients of Yogi DeTox tea, which seemed to have completely whipped my system from all toxins:

Indian sarsaparilla root

Cinnamon bark

Ginger root

Licorice root

Burdock root

Dandelion root

Cardamom pod

Clove bud

Black pepper

Juniper berry

Long pepper berry

Rhubarb root

Chinese skullcap root

Coptis root

Forsythia fruit

Gardenia fruit

Japanese honeysuckle flower

Winter melon seed

 

Lastly, I apologize if I don’t immediately respond to any replies to this thread. I’m very busy with work, but will pop into the forums a few times throughout the week. 



#2 noobray

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Posted 05 February 2016 - 11:16 PM

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500mg is good too for me as social lubricant, 1 g make me vary fatigued.



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Posted 07 February 2016 - 11:22 PM

As a fellow meditation practitioner and kind of a hippy. I'd suggest that you also try more mental techniques and work on your inner self, and maybe some experimenting with other noots, herbs and supplements. Since you seem quite dependent on this stuff. But to be honest I also suffer from social anxiety too and had my first dose of pheni yesterday. I'll try it again with some social interactions tomorrow and might use it more often then the two day a week cycle, after hearing your story. It seems to certainly has it's merrits and I'm certainly well balanced enough to try some risks....

P.S. Excuse my english I'm dutch



#4 robertfrost

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 06:30 PM

This is potentially off-topic, but does anyone know the LD50 for phenibut? The LD50 is the dose at which 50% of the population will die.



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 07:50 PM

Oh and btw what do you mean by '' completely whipped my system from all toxins''. Did it help with the phenibut or do you just feel better overall?



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Posted 11 February 2016 - 05:23 AM

redwine, I mean that it sent me unto full withdaws immediately. Yes, seemed to have removed the phenibut from my system, and I now sip the same tea carefully as part of my tappering.



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Posted 11 February 2016 - 05:27 AM

Noobray, I just ordered myself some fasoracetam. Will update on how that goes. My takeaway from this whole experience is to NEVER stop your nootropic dose log. Everyone should have one. I use google sheets on my phone to record time and dosage and it only takes a second out of my day. This is the best way to look back and notice the sharp increase in your dosage before it gets out of hand.



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Posted 25 March 2016 - 05:51 AM

Update: Almost 7 weeks since I started tapering phenibut. I've been taking 30 mg faso 3x daily for the last week and zero phenibut. When fasoracetam is a godsend for any phenibut user, I should mention that at some point during my phenibut taper I had a seizure - a small one during a sleepless state when I was trying to get the faso doses right (I was taking too little of both) I've got a little less than a gram of faso left, and as soon as that's gone I'm ordering more Phenibut. Why? Because my full-time job is writing books, both my own and ghostwriting, and phenibut has a way of uninhibiting my writing to a point where I can get in 10,000 words a day - quality, too. Faso won't let me do that. 



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Posted 10 April 2016 - 10:23 PM

How Are you doing with the Faso? Did it reduce tolerance and wd for you?

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