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[YOLF]

So noots are seen as drugs to some and supplements to others. Some are legal, some are illegal, some banned in sports, and some have varying legal status. 

 

Of course, not all noots are synthetic cannabinoids or amphetamine analogues (meaning designed to produced the narcotic effects of amphetamines or other substances). Some are potent life saving substances that delay or prevent chronic and terminal conditions and just aren't approved by food and drug regulators in all countries.

 

So what are your thoughts? I'd like to ask users to describe the scenarios they believe are fair and explain why their choices should be legal or illegal. 

[YOLF]

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[1jol1uvcaaq]

This post is controversial and may offend some users because of the truth.

Nootropics should be illegal. There are four groups of people who ab/use nootropics:drug addicts, normal people who want to push their brains past the limit(ex:lostfalco), people who search to fix their psychosomatic problems through physical means, and rarely, people who have a physical problem in their brains. The first two groups are victims of escapist modern society which is myopic of the subtle beauties of life. Both groups were missing love when they were growing up.The second group, however, is more dangerous to themselves since, unlike the first, tend to have lived a normal and trauma-free childhood where no traumas have led them to use drugs. As Emile Durkheim would say, the third group is simply confused by themselves mostly and society. The last group is rare and nootropics may be beneficial and important for them.

[YOLF]

I'm of the opinion that we should strive for self improvement. Food is a good example. Our evolution is at least partially driven by our diets and availability of fuel foods. Likewise, ancient philosophers have said let your food be your medicine and in fact, much of our foods are in fact good for us and we've selected our foods throughout our evolution or development as a species (whichever you prefer) which give us an advantage over our environment. Garlic and olive polyphenols in EVOO is good for our health in that they are antibiotic and antiviral, wine is an anti-parasitic, and these are part of our daily meals, fruits contain very potent antioxidants and some make us stronger (onions of ginger for example), and some give us cognitive benefits (blue berries). So we've been advancing ourselves and increasing our capacity to leverage our environment for 1000s of years if not more. This is a natural part of our lives in just the same way that cats eat catnip or dogs eat grass (to settle their stomachs). Now we've taken our food medicine one step further and have redesigned it just as we've used agriculture to select and develop things like corn from maize, and increased the size of potatoes, carrots and other such things.

 

So as long as these aren't drugs of abuse or something that presents a risk, I don't see a problem. Many here are trying to slow or prevent aging, and we ARE developing more countermeasures to aging than ever, so there is a good chance it will be profitable to invest in this way and most people here aren't likely to abuse their drugs or supplements as they are trying harder to make it to the future. It's less about escaping life and more about escaping death. Though yes, some may be more interested in getting fast gains and won't care about their health so much. However, given that this site is run by the more responsible types, we tend to discourage use of the less safe drugs and supplements and promote best practices... there won't be much life extension if we die using this stuff.

[BlueCloud]

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Nootropics should be illegal.

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By your logic, everything in life ( except the Bible I guess? ) should be illegal, since everything can be abused ( just like you can abuse the bible and religion , by the way)).

 

 

 

This post is controversial and may offend some users because of the truth.

No, your posts are offending because of their deep irrationality and ignorance.

 

 

To go back to the main issue, I think the term "nootropic" has been abused these recent years to become a vague notion under wich almost anything even vaguely psychoactive is labeled as nootropic. I've seen the term used to describe pretty much anything from tea to benzodiazepines.

I think it's important that we redefine the term Nootropic and go back to its original definition, otherwise any discussion about nootropics is going to be a mess and carry a lot of misunderstandings.

 

 

Edited by BlueCloud, 25 March 2016 - 11:38 AM.

[Turnbuckle]

This issue should be looked at from a broader perspective, especially in the US. It should be first asked where government's ability to ban any drug comes from, as there appears to be nothing in the Constitution that gives them this power. Certainly they have taken it anyway, and have created a mess almost beyond comprehension. The drug war has corrupted our legal system and filled up our prisons, which now house more prisoners than Stalin's gulags did at their peak. This war began with Nixon (when our incarceration rate was 1/5 what it is now), and Nixon's aide John Ehrlichman has given us insight into his motivation. From an old interview that recently surfaced--

 

 

"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

 

 

 

So American drug policy is political, originally designed to hurt segments of society that were against Nixon's wars. When looked at from a health perspective, however, the conclusion is that drugs should not be a criminal issue at all--

An international commission of medical experts is calling for global drug decriminalisation, arguing that current policies lead to violence, deaths and the spread of disease, harming health and human rights.

 

The commission, set up by the Lancet medical journal and Johns Hopkins University in the United States, finds that tough drugs laws have caused misery, failed to curb drug use, fuelled violent crime and spread the epidemics of HIV and hepatitis C through unsafe injecting.

 

Publishing its report on the eve of a special session of the United Nations devoted to illegal narcotics, it urges a complete reversal of the repressive policies imposed by most governments.

 

http://www.theguardi...criminalisation

 

 

Of course there will always be totalitarian types that want to turn their fellow citizens into drones and religious nuts that see sin everywhere they look, but it should be the place of government to protect the general population from these lunatics, and not give them tools to achieve their ends.

Edited by Turnbuckle, 25 March 2016 - 01:17 PM.

[BlueCloud]

On the other hand we're thinking about substances like bacopa and piracetam when we think about the classical, stricter definition of nootropic. One is a herb that's been used for centuries in India for memory-enhancement purposes, and the other a pharmaceutical that's been prescribed in Europe since the late sixties. I don't know anyone who can get high on these ( except for the legendary Isochroma, for anyone who've been hanging on Imminst/Longecity long enough  to know him :-) )

I'm not sure about  the comparison with heroin and the related drug war is similar.

 

But with the idiotic leaders we get to have,  a future where grandmas are arrested for drinking chamomille tea ( not a nootropic but still psychoactive with moderate effects on GABA ) is not entirely impossible.

 

Edited by BlueCloud, 25 March 2016 - 01:27 PM.

[1jol1uvcaaq]

I get a lot of hateful ratings on this site, but the most depressing thing is this:

http://www.longecity...cal-castration/

People are posting their side effects constantly, but others only pass it off as aging or regular. It's a horror show when people continue to drink the poison after many have posted their sometimes permanent damage. I know everybody reacts to nootropics differently. Go read the bible and have fun without stimulants. If you haven't read the true horror stories go here: https://www.google.c...e:longecity.org

You can also search for "nootropics tinnitus" and "nootropics headaches", to list a few of the common, and sometimes permanent, damage.

[Turnbuckle]

Go read the bible and have fun without stimulants.

 

 

You don't even know what noots are, do you? This is the problem with Christ cultists, that so many are witless totalitarians. They should be banned from longecity as they only drag conversations into the mud.