Obviously I am the reason pamojja to go out from the forum.
No seivtcho, it's not you or your opinions, rest assured. It's about how this was handled after reporting repeated hate-speech, which I can't agree with. Also would be the first to speak up against censorship. Different perspectives are the life-blood for learning and growing as community too. However, hate-speech - obviously something still to vague and not well defined here - can only create adversity. And we're back full cycle it's historically allegedly meant for: divide and rule. In my eyes there are just too many important ramification for our open society, and life-extension without the former would be a true night-mare I wouldn't want to participate in.
To be clear, seivtcho has not said he WANTS "people to be degraded and useless" (just predicting that it will happen), nor has he "praised" the violence in the Philippines (just not sure of the evidence that innocent people are being killed). He has not been using ad hominem attacks against anyone else in this thread.
Thanks for chiming in, for explaining the decision and for being open for a dialog about this.
Hate-speakers, for example the last presidential candidate to my country who almost won, Norbert Hofer (if you understand German you can google for videos of his speeches) rarely allow his intentions shine through (..trained in NLP, by the way), for not being caught red-handed.
One place where I regularly have to deal with is in one of my jobs at a Homeless emergency shelter. All minorities, people with alcohol, drugs, psychological, refugee background or various mixture of these, use our services. We try to give them a bid of normalcy in the evening, while they all have to deal with various levels of discrimination in their everyday life on streets. But some of them, through their live-circumstances, are really tensed up. One word and they easily get violent. However, some other take advantage of such vulnerability and drop such a word -where no personal bad intentions could be proven - to have their recipient, having no other resources to counter such hate-speech, but to physically beat back. And therefore having to leave the house. If I've got the slightest indication of this having been going on, the hate-speaker has to leave for the night too.
(And @seivtcho, if you knew what some of them went through already as children, I believe you would view it a bid differentiated too)
That's the principle with which hate-speech works: no bad intention can be proven, but it surely effective in causing severe distress.
Of course, since it's already so prevalent in main-stream society and media some might really unintentionally repeat such phrases and think nothing bad by repeating. However, just a PM pointing out would help to have it avoid in future.
Some definitions from wikipedia:
..is speech which attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as..
..as speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it incites violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected group, or individual..
A website which uses hate speech may be called a hate site.
..expressions allow minorities to be categorized with negative attributes tied to them, and are directly harmful to them. Matsuda et al. (1993) found that racist speech could cause in the recipient of the message direct physical and emotional changes. The repeated use of such expressions cause and reinforce the subordination of these minorities.
Also here it seem to me, none of these definitions give any weight to the intention of the promoter - and in my opinion should not be censored, but just notified - but the hurtful speech in itself. It's the effects it has on member of minorities which defines it.
Hopefully this incident raises a bit more awareness about hate-speech and it's dangerous implications. In hopes of improvements I'll be watching and not leaving yet.
Thanks to everyone being welcoming.
Edited by pamojja, 13 April 2017 - 08:41 PM.