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#1 alc

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 11:04 PM


This is big news:

 

"In a scientific first, Gladstone researchers have used chemical drugs to convert skin cells into heart cells and brain cells, without adding any external genes."

 

https://gladstone.or...lls-using-drugs

 

"In a major breakthrough, scientists at the Gladstone Institutes transformed skin cells into heart cells and brain cells using a combination of chemicals. All previous work on cellular reprogramming required adding external genes to the cells, making this accomplishment an unprecedented feat. The research lays the groundwork for one day being able to regenerate lost or damaged cells with pharmaceutical drugs."

 

 

“In the future, we could even imagine treating patients with a drug cocktail that acts on the brain or spinal cord, rejuvenating cells in the brain in real time.”


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Posted 29 April 2016 - 04:42 PM

The two studies are:

Conversion of human fibroblasts into functional cardiomyocytes by small molecules

 

Pharmacological Reprogramming of Fibroblasts into Neural Stem Cells by Signaling-Directed Transcriptional Activation

 

The second one requires subscription, but the first one is free. I wonder what those small molecules are -- just curious. Don't have time to read them now.

 

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ah all the interesting stuff is in the supplementary materials download http://science.scien....DC1/Cao-SM.pdf


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Posted 29 April 2016 - 05:00 PM

http://www.mogrify.net/

 

This website used to give an approximation of what you'd need to turn one cell type into another.

https://www.monash.e...-cell-types.pdf

 

 

The website seems to be offline right now unfortunately.


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Posted 30 April 2016 - 01:34 AM


The second one requires subscription, but the first one is free. I wonder what those small molecules are -- just curious. Don't have time to read them now.

 

 

This neural direct reprogramming was accomplished with so-called M9 medium containing 9 chemicals consisting overall of:

50% Neural basal, 50% DMEM/F12/Glutamax, 1x N2, 1x B27 without vitamin A, 0.075% BSA, 0.1 mM nonessential amino acids, with 3 mM CHIR99021, 100 nM LDN193189, 0.5 mM A83-01, 0.5 mM Hh-Ag1.5, 1 mM retinoic acid, 10 mM SMER28, 10 mM RG108, 2 mM Parnate, and 10 ng/ml bFGF.

 

 

The recipe for the chemical induction media for cardiac cells, which is called 9C, also contains 9 compounds:

CHIR99021 (GSK3 inhibitor, activate Wnt pathway), A83-01 (TGFbeta receptor inhibitor, inhibits TGFbeta signaling), BIX01294 (histone methyltransferase inhibitor, modulates epigenetics), AS8351 (histone demethylase inhibitor, also modulates epigenetics), SC1 (ERK inhibitor), Y27632 (ROCK inhibitor), OAC2 (target unknown, modulates epigenetics), SU16F (PDGF receptor inhibitor) and JNJ10198409 (PDGF receptor inhibitor).

 

 

source prof. Knopfler's blog:

 

http://www.ipscell.c...rts/#more-19349



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Posted 30 April 2016 - 02:42 AM

Thanks alc! I find it unnerving that a bunch of chemicals can change cells so profoundly. What if something like this happens in vivo? Scary stuff!

 

On the other hand, all those histone methyltransferase inhibitors that modulate epigenetics appear promising. This is a whole new territory for me. Lots to learn. I wish someone can shed light on any of this :)   



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Posted 01 May 2016 - 12:28 PM

I find it unnerving that a bunch of chemicals can change cells so profoundly. What if something like this happens in vivo? Scary stuff!

 

The older you get the less likely it becomes for something to happen in this manner.
NF-kB expression blocks these transformations. Probably with good reason.


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Posted 01 May 2016 - 12:48 PM

 

I find it unnerving that a bunch of chemicals can change cells so profoundly. What if something like this happens in vivo? Scary stuff!

 

The older you get the less likely it becomes for something to happen in this manner.
NF-kB expression blocks these transformations. Probably with good reason.

 

 

Not so fast, compatriot

 

http://www.nsi.bg/bg...ъзрастови-групи



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Posted 01 May 2016 - 01:02 PM

 

 

I find it unnerving that a bunch of chemicals can change cells so profoundly. What if something like this happens in vivo? Scary stuff!

 

The older you get the less likely it becomes for something to happen in this manner.
NF-kB expression blocks these transformations. Probably with good reason.

 

 

Not so fast, compatriot

 

http://www.nsi.bg/bg...ъзрастови-групи

 

 

Cells from old individuals are less likely to transform because their NF-kB expression is high, that's been one of the problems facing stem cell medicine.

The other problem is once you force them to transform through NK-kB inhibition there's a high probability they will form teratomas when implanted, probably because DNA damage is impairing their differentiation mechanism - even if they get the right signals part of the code is missing, the program goes awry, bad things happen.

 

NF-kB like telomeres seems to be an anti cancer mechanism. It's not perfect. Neither are telomeres. But it's better than no mechanism as most research has shown.


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Posted 01 May 2016 - 01:05 PM

And it is a statistical fact, that the death rate from malignancies rises with the age. If you don't believe me, compare the malignancies of the age range 5-9 with the 85+ 

 



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Posted 01 May 2016 - 01:22 PM

And it is a statistical fact, that the death rate from malignancies rises with the age. If you don't believe me, compare the malignancies of the age range 5-9 with the 85+ 

 

Well that has to do more with aging in general.
NF-kB is just another protein, it's made up of many components and the genes coding for those can be damaged, like every other gene.
The longer you live the higher the possibility you'll get the exact right mutations in the exact right cell in the exact right tissue.

 

Now I know what most people on the forums are going to say - if you inhibit NF-kB a little, or if you lengthen telomeres a little you get benefits. Well sure. That's true. But it's a balancing act. Either end of the extremes has show bad outcomes in model animals.

 

But anyway what I meant originally is this "Your body is actively trying to prevent that from happening.".

Obviously in some people it fails. But in more people it doesn't, because they reach old age without getting malignant tumors, so it's not completely useless.



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Posted 01 May 2016 - 01:36 PM

 

... 
NF-kB is just another protein, it's made up of many components and the genes coding for those can be damaged, like every other gene.
The longer you live the higher the possibility you'll get the exact right mutations in the exact right cell in the exact right tissue.

... 

 

 

E.g. the longer you live, the higher the risk a cell to transform, because their NF-kB

 

hahahaha



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Posted 01 May 2016 - 01:43 PM

 

 

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NF-kB is just another protein, it's made up of many components and the genes coding for those can be damaged, like every other gene.
The longer you live the higher the possibility you'll get the exact right mutations in the exact right cell in the exact right tissue.

... 

 

 

E.g. the longer you live, the higher the risk a cell to transform, because their NF-kB

 

hahahaha

 

 

Not because. In spite of.

There's quite a difference there.
 



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Posted 01 May 2016 - 01:55 PM

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The older you get the less likely it becomes for something to happen in this manner.
NF-kB expression blocks these transformations. Probably with good reason.

 

 

So, the correct correction for your post would be: 

 

The older you get the more likely it becomes for something to happen in this manner. 

 

Inspite of NF-kB 



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Posted 01 May 2016 - 02:11 PM

 

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The older you get the less likely it becomes for something to happen in this manner.
NF-kB expression blocks these transformations. Probably with good reason.

 

 

So, the correct correction for your post would be: 

 

The older you get the more likely it becomes for something to happen in this manner. 

 

Inspite of NF-kB 

 

 

No. I kinda get the feeling you don't understand at all.
I wasn't talking about all mechanisms of cancer formation.
I was specifically talking about cancers that arise from cells transforming where they shouldn't.

 

There's many other things that can cause a cancer besides that - oncogenens, loss of tumor suppressor genes, etc.



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Posted 01 May 2016 - 02:38 PM

You were not right and we both know it :) 

 

but.. be happy. Everybody says nonsences from time to time. 

 

Be happy. 

 


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Posted 01 May 2016 - 05:56 PM

You were not right and we both know it :)

 

but.. be happy. Everybody says nonsences from time to time. 

 

Be happy. 

 

I will try to explain it to you as slowly and as simply as possible. Maybe you'll understand.

 

NF-kB blocks reprogramming of somatic cells.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/26214134

This paper is pretty clear on this. The older you get the less likely it is for a cell to get accidentally (or quite on purpose in a lab) transformed because NF-kB blocks those pathways.

So when I said it's less likely the older you get, I meant it. And it's true. I would have posted the paper to begin with but I wasn't on my home PC.

 

Now whether this is a bad or a good thing, well that's up for debate. NF-kB has a lot of functions and if you don't get your info about this group of proteins from this forum, you'd actually be surprised that MOST of them are actually beneficial - I'd even say invaluable for your organism. So I think, for the most part this is a defense mechanism but like everything else in aging it gets out of hand.

That discussion is for another thread though.



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Posted 02 May 2016 - 09:48 PM

NF-kB seems to be one of those swiss-army knife mechanisms like p53.  p53 does way more than protect against cancer (along with a slew its other tumor suppressor sisters).  It also effects changes in metabolism (in ways that may be complementary and designed to starve cancers).  NF-kB has the same sort of metabolic effects as well as its role in preventing transformations.  It could be a somewhat analogous mechanism.

 

We know downregulating NF-kB has been observed to reduce insulin resistance—which looks very much like what happens when you downregulate p53.  Interestingly, aspirin and aspirin-like substances reduce insulin resistance in high doses when they act on NF-kB.  This has been well-known since the early 1900s and forgotten over and over.  Similarly, reducing p53 expression reduces insulin resistance.

 

If I were 1 cell trying to inhibit or starve a cancer or otherwise sick cell, I'd not express tons of insulin receptors too.  The problem is when it's lots of cells.  Then it's bad.  Your body attempts to compensate for all the increasing expression of things like NF-kB and p53 but eventually fails.

 

http://mosaicscience...ls-cancer-curse has a great (or terrible) story on what defective p53 looks like.  You get cancer almost 100% when that happens.  Totally knocking down p53 would be a really bad idea if you did it for very long.  You can do it with pifithrin-α.  See http://www.pnas.org/...8/3116.full.pdf.  

 

@corb Why does that paper you cited reference HGPS?  The full paper is paywalled.

 

@xEva RE: "I find it unnerving that a bunch of chemicals can change cells so profoundly. What if something like this happens in vivo? Scary stuff!"

 

I have a theory that small molecules will do a lot of these things we want but only in the EXACT right doses.  I'm seeing lots of papers on the DYRK family, for example.  The windows to inhibit something are extremely small in micromoles between, say 10-20 said units.  That's tiny.  Too much—absolutely nothing happens.  Too little—absolutely nothing happens.  I've seen a bunch of examples like that, and it makes me wonder if that's why it's not happening so often.  The effect falls off a cliff.  This assumes your body uses similar substances to signal for itself, but that's not difficult to believe.

 

This stuff is all very new, and I think the power of some of these "small molecules" is surprising to everyone.

 

Some of them do exist in nature, which makes you wonder if small quantities of a substance could cause cancer in ways we never discover because we never test that exact concentration in a cell culture on that particular cell line.

 

The answer is probably—YES!  And, even more weirdly, sometimes much more of that substance would be much less dangerous.  That may explain so-called bad luck sometimes, too.

 

Edited by Logjam, 02 May 2016 - 10:44 PM.


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Posted 03 May 2016 - 08:15 PM

NF-kB seems to be one of those swiss-army knife mechanisms like p53.  p53 does way more than protect against cancer (along with a slew its other tumor suppressor sisters).  It also effects changes in metabolism (in ways that may be complementary and designed to starve cancers).  NF-kB has the same sort of metabolic effects as well as its role in preventing transformations.  It could be a somewhat analogous mechanism.

 

We know downregulating NF-kB has been observed to reduce insulin resistance—which looks very much like what happens when you downregulate p53.  Interestingly, aspirin and aspirin-like substances reduce insulin resistance in high doses when they act on NF-kB.  This has been well-known since the early 1900s and forgotten over and over.  Similarly, reducing p53 expression reduces insulin resistance.

 

If I were 1 cell trying to inhibit or starve a cancer or otherwise sick cell, I'd not express tons of insulin receptors too.  The problem is when it's lots of cells.  Then it's bad.  Your body attempts to compensate for all the increasing expression of things like NF-kB and p53 but eventually fails.

 

http://mosaicscience...ls-cancer-curse has a great (or terrible) story on what defective p53 looks like.  You get cancer almost 100% when that happens.  Totally knocking down p53 would be a really bad idea if you did it for very long.  You can do it with pifithrin-α.  See http://www.pnas.org/...8/3116.full.pdf.  

 

@corb Why does that paper you cited reference HGPS?  The full paper is paywalled.

 

Well there is no surprise there, p53 and NF-kB are antagonistic - one controls apoptosis the other growth and so on. They are part of the same pathways.

HGPS is cited because it's observed in their study that NF-kB is over-expressed in that syndrome of accelerated aging and blocking it increases the lifespan of modified mice a bit. Their conclusion is since NK-kB is over-expressed in human aging as well we should inhibit it, that's been a popular idea for a couple of years now.

What's really interesting is recently someone posted an article the senolytics thread with a drug that initiates apoptosis of senescent cells by p53 activation. Since p53 and NF-kB are antagonistic and NK-kB is one of the main factors that controls SASP and promotes the survival of senescent cells I think they might be on to something if they manage to perfect their drug so p53/NF-kB levels can be normalized in the whole body.

It'll be a great development for stem cell therapies as well because it might make rejuvenation with transplanted cells more viable in the old - the cells will be able to difirentiate more readily without NF-kB over-expression in the tissues.


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Posted 03 May 2016 - 10:12 PM

  I find it unnerving that a bunch of chemicals can change cells so profoundly. What if something like this happens in vivo? Scary stuff!

 

 

 

@ xEva - If we look at it from a historical perspective, it is similar to what alchemists tried to achieve with the elixir of life ... just now seems like we are getting closer to that goal, via controlled science (which isn't bad at all!).



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Posted 03 May 2016 - 11:54 PM

Not bad? In vitro, sure. Otherwise, imagining how my skin cells start changing into little beating hearts and brains --?!?! 
 
But I'll tell you what I would not mind. It's the skin like cuttlefish have. Once, snorkeling, I met an adorable little cuttlefish, with very intelligent, huge, baby-blue eyes.  And for a good minute there we stared at each other, dumbfounded. The little thing insisted on a set distance of ~5 inches from my mask and did not allow me any closer. I could not get enough of the shimmering iridescent patches on her skin (something told me she was a girl) that kept gently changing color, reflecting her thoughts and surprise. Imagine if we had skin like this! Ah dreams, sweet dreams... 
 
Almost like this one, except that she was not golden-yellow but predominantly hazy-silvery-iridescent blue and we looked each other straight in the eyes.


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Posted 04 May 2016 - 01:54 AM

Not bad? 

 

I was only referring to the fact that nowadays we get closer to (one of) alchemists' dream (= life elixir) via a controlled science process - vs. their experiments of combining chemicals, etc. sometimes not knowing exactly what was done or how.

 

In some CRISPR's discussion forums, people already mentioned achieving things like change skin color, etc. Somebody suggested a change so we can perceive UV. Probably we will see very interesting applications in upcoming years.


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